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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:09 pm    Post subject:

"Who cares if he's getting better on defense?"

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:25 pm    Post subject:

CantStopJM wrote:
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Seriously, why is he so hyped?

He's another Clarkson. Same pros and same cons. There's a reason why advanced metrics hate him. He can't defend. When his shot is on, he'll give the points right back. When his shot is off, he's as much as a liability as Clarkson.


For someone trying to use advanced metrics, you shouldíve at least gotten your facts straight or even close for that matter.

Julius Randle 1st yr playing: -2.75 ORPM, -1.55 DRPM, -4.3 RPM
Jordan Clarkson: Rookie: 0.64 ORPM, -3.00 DRPM, -2.36 DRPM
Sophomore: O.14 ORPM, -2.56 DRPM, -2.42 RPM
3rd year: -0.63 ORPM, -3.39 DRPM, -4.02 RPM
Díangelo Russell: -1.10 ORPM, -2.56 DRPM, -3.66RPM
Brandon Ingram: -1.76 ORPM, -2.93 DRPM, -4.69 RPM

Kyle Kuzma: 0.02 ORPM, -1.73 DRPM, -1.71 RPM

Kuz was around -2.5, -2.7 DRPM a month ago so heís been trending upward since focusing more on D. Heís not on the same stratosphere at sucking on defense as JC. Not even close. And heís playing better D than our other past hyped rookies on their 1st year so..


What in the world did you just prove with this post? He's bad defensively but not as bad as Clarkson? Ok?

He's one of the worst defenders in the league. Visually and numbers wise.

The fact that some people think he's untouchable and part of our future is alarming. He's overrated on this board. Wolves gave up Lavine without blinking yet some people wouldn't trade him at all except for 10-15 guys.


Uhh proved that A.) heís getting better on D as the season is progressing B.) Heís still a rookie but is playing better D than our last rookies including our other untouchable Ingram C.) Kuz is hyped because heís a rookie and still has upside on D and has shown elite offensive potential, unlike JC who you compared him to who has been consistently bad on defense D.) You are probably high

Also pretty sure LaVine had a very serious injury which Iím sure made the decision a lot easier.


Who cares if he's getting better on defense, I would hope so, he was probably the worst one in the league. He still sucks defensively. Clarkson was bad defensively his rookie year, has he progressed on that end? Kuzma has upside defensively? He looks like a nervous wreck on that end like he's whispering to himself don't pass to my man don't pass to my man. You would think after seeing Randle and Clarkson that people would realize that potential is just a word.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:34 pm    Post subject:

WHO CARES IF HE IS GETTING BETTER ON DEFENSE

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:48 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:00 pm    Post subject:

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Kuzma is a rookie and makes rookie mistakes, he's has a long way to go defensively and offensively. However he has great potential and upside. Give him time; the best is yet to come.


Horrible defensive performance yesterday, Nance rebuked him when he moved to his side letting a red carpet for his opponent to dunk.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:03 pm    Post subject:

rogers49 wrote:
pio2u wrote:
Kuzma is a rookie and makes rookie mistakes, he's has a long way to go defensively and offensively. However he has great potential and upside. Give him time; the best is yet to come.


Horrible defensive performance yesterday, Nance rebuked him when he moved to his side letting a red carpet for his opponent to dunk.


JC was late and Kuzma was guarding 2 guys.
I think Larry was telling him, you don't leave the guy with the ball.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:04 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:05 pm    Post subject:

This conversation is coming from the Ball vs DLO thread but I want to restart it here. GT said that Kuzma was considered a lottery talent as a big and a wing. If thatís the case, why do we only play him at the 4? I get that a lot maybe most 4s are wings these days but heís almost exclusively at that spot this year. Heís a tweener but Iíve always seen him as more of a 3 than 4. Why doesnít he ever play the 3? Especially since our 2s and 3s(besides Ingram) have been very underwhelming this year.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:13 pm    Post subject:

BigGameHames wrote:
This conversation is coming from the Ball vs DLO thread but I want to restart it here. GT said that Kuzma was considered a lottery talent as a big and a wing. If thatís the case, why do we only play him at the 4? I get that a lot maybe most 4s are wings these days but heís almost exclusively at that spot this year. Heís a tweener but Iíve always seen him as more of a 3 than 4. Why doesnít he ever play the 3? Especially since our 2s and 3s(besides Ingram) have been very underwhelming this year.


Doesn't he have such an advantage at the 4 spot, especially when other bigs try to guard him from baseline to baseline? He also makes the other teams' big come out to guard him providing interior space for the team. I also believe Luke said he playing the 4 simplifies things for Kuz.

What type of lineup were you thinking about with Kuzma playing a 2 or 3?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:21 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
This conversation is coming from the Ball vs DLO thread but I want to restart it here. GT said that Kuzma was considered a lottery talent as a big and a wing. If thatís the case, why do we only play him at the 4? I get that a lot maybe most 4s are wings these days but heís almost exclusively at that spot this year. Heís a tweener but Iíve always seen him as more of a 3 than 4. Why doesnít he ever play the 3? Especially since our 2s and 3s(besides Ingram) have been very underwhelming this year.


Doesn't he have such an advantage at the 4 spot, especially when other bigs try to guard him from baseline to baseline? He also makes the other teams' big come out to guard him providing interior space for the team. I also believe Luke said he playing the 4 simplifies things for Kuz.

What type of lineup were you thinking about with Kuzma playing a 2 or 3?

Yes he does have an advantage at the 4, Iím not saying play him exclusively at the 3.

Never at the 2. We would move Ingram down to the 2 and Kuzma to the 3 in those situations. Any lineup with 2 of our other 3 bigs(Lopez, Randle, Nance). We donít use those situations near enough IMO.
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Lopez/Randle
I think we should give those lineups a shot instead of hockey subbing in bigs 2 at a time so much.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:34 pm    Post subject:

IMO he does not have the speed or handles yet to be a full time 3. Plus that is where BI plays.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:18 pm    Post subject:

Any word on his hand?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:19 pm    Post subject:

this thread title is now MEAN
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:59 pm    Post subject:

Hopefully nothing major. With just Lonzo out and Ingram ailing it is rough, but if they lose Kuzma and/or KCP for some time it's going to put them in a really bad spot on this road trip.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:01 pm    Post subject:

PHILosophize wrote:
this thread title is now MEAN


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:10 pm    Post subject:

mookielala wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
this thread title is now MEAN


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:30 pm    Post subject:

PHILosophize wrote:
this thread title is now MEAN


what would you like it to say
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:30 pm    Post subject:

Great Job Title creator. The issue at hand is correct!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:55 pm    Post subject:

Chronicle wrote:
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what would you like it to say

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:03 am    Post subject:

Does anyone have Kuzmas shot attempts after one pass? This guy seems like he's ALWAYS firing after one pass early in the offense without regards to anything else. Really hasn't found a shot he didn't like.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:41 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
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pio2u wrote:
Kuzma is a rookie and makes rookie mistakes, he's has a long way to go defensively and offensively. However he has great potential and upside. Give him time; the best is yet to come.


The problem is that he is as old as Hart and Randle, so his physical prime is only 3-4 years away (as is theirís). That is why 4 year players usually go late in drafts.




Some people act like Kuzma being 22 is the equivalent of a 22 year old NBA player in his 4th season..No way, no how. Rookie season is still a rookie season.
Things like NBA level conditioning, training, understanding of the game etc etc...you only gain that by playing.

Kuzma's potential isnt any worse simply because he stayed in college longer. He will pick it all up faster and develop faster than most younger rookies would but but he's still a rookie in his own right.


That is pretty much my point, teams prefer the 22 yo with 4 years in the NBA than 4 years in college. They have already been through all the rookie downs by the time they hit their primes. The college players havenít.


Except if your name is JRandle & you're @ LG
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:06 pm    Post subject:

Does he not understand help defense? Dude is always late rotating over
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:58 pm    Post subject:

Lakesh0wtime wrote:
Does he not understand help defense? Dude is always late rotating over


He doesnít but that doesnít mean he wonít.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:01 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
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Does he not understand help defense? Dude is always late rotating over


He doesnít but that doesnít mean he wonít.


My favorite was after Victor got by Larry and scored, Larry tells kuz: that's you.
Because kuz was late again.
I loved how the Lakers switched the defense where kuz guarded the screener and Larry became the help guy.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:07 pm    Post subject:

My favorite was a Shaqtin a fool moment when he took out Brewer on defense.
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