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waterman40
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It may come down in time to who is the better player, Ingram or Kuzma, but at this point, they are both improving young and talented players. We just want to win, so I don't want to get all bogged down in that debate.
I just wonder what the thought process with Kuzma; his play at Utah was really only average, I mean TJ Leaf looked better at UCLA at the time. Kuzma's jump shot was not all that to write home about. He apparently had a great showing at his workout for the Lakers, and that drive to become great impressed us enough to take a flyer on him, and boy did we hit a homerun (or slam dunk if you want the basketball analogy).
Given the Lakers history of later round draft picks, I wonder when they saw him if they thought he was a version of Brian Cook or Luke Walton, maybe a better shooting Larry Nance. I think with that 27th pick, we got our version of Klay Thompson, what a late first round steal by the front office.
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Cuffs is one of LeBron's guys. Another example of how highly people around the team think of Kuzma.
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Kuzma is about to be a star. Ingram is only 21. Josh Hart is gonna be one of the most underrated two way players in the league. I like Jimmy Butler’s game but nawl dog |
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TheBlackMamba
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| Call me crazy, but I like Kuz alone more than Butler at this point in their careers. |
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Judah
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | Cuffs is one of LeBron's guys. Another example of how highly people around the team think of Kuzma.
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Kuzma is about to be a star. Ingram is only 21. Josh Hart is gonna be one of the most underrated two way players in the league. I like Jimmy Butler’s game but nawl dog |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| TheBlackMamba wrote: | | Call me crazy, but I like Kuz alone more than Butler at this point in their careers. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | Call me crazy, but I like Kuz alone more than Butler at this point in their careers. |
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22/5/5 with 36% 3P in 59 games played at age 29....
Kuzma will drastically close that gap in the next year or 2. |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| 2019 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | Call me crazy, but I like Kuz alone more than Butler at this point in their careers. |
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22/5/5 with 36% 3P in 59 games played at age 29....
Kuzma will drastically close that gap in the next year or 2. |
Ignoring defense and team impact?
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al242
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | Call me crazy, but I like Kuz alone more than Butler at this point in their careers. |
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22/5/5 with 36% 3P in 59 games played at age 29....
Kuzma will drastically close that gap in the next year or 2. |
Ignoring defense and team impact? |
Clearly... Kuzma has James Harden like defense, he legit runs in the opposite direction when he is playing defense. |
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al242
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | Call me crazy, but I like Kuz alone more than Butler at this point in their careers. |
Crazy |
22/5/5 with 36% 3P in 59 games played at age 29....
Kuzma will drastically close that gap in the next year or 2. |
Ignoring defense and team impact? |
Clearly... Kuzma has James Harden like defense, he legit runs in the opposite direction when he is playing defense. |
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| Judah wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | Cuffs is one of LeBron's guys. Another example of how highly people around the team think of Kuzma.
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Kuzma is about to be a star. Ingram is only 21. Josh Hart is gonna be one of the most underrated two way players in the league. I like Jimmy Butler’s game but nawl dog |
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He just tweeted that KD is guna be a Laker |
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KeepItRealOrElse
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| Judah wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | Cuffs is one of LeBron's guys. Another example of how highly people around the team think of Kuzma.
| Quote: | @CuffsTheLegend
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Kuzma is about to be a star. Ingram is only 21. Josh Hart is gonna be one of the most underrated two way players in the league. I like Jimmy Butler’s game but nawl dog |
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He just tweeted that KD is guna be a Laker |
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TheBlackMamba
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | Call me crazy, but I like Kuz alone more than Butler at this point in their careers. |
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22/5/5 with 36% 3P in 59 games played at age 29....
Kuzma will drastically close that gap in the next year or 2. |
Ignoring defense and team impact? |
And you're ignoring that Kuz will likely improve in those areas and more going forward. Keep in mind that I'm also considering their ages and Butler's mileage + injury history here. If we're talking about who to pick for this upcoming season, sure, it'd be Butler. I'm talking about the next 3-5+ years. |
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Judah
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | Cuffs is one of LeBron's guys. Another example of how highly people around the team think of Kuzma.
| Quote: | @CuffsTheLegend
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Kuzma is about to be a star. Ingram is only 21. Josh Hart is gonna be one of the most underrated two way players in the league. I like Jimmy Butler’s game but nawl dog |
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He just tweeted that KD is guna be a Laker |
Yup. Either him or Klay.
https://twitter.com/cuffsthelegend/status/1042479151054245888?s=21
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Lebron doesn’t have 3-5 years, I am thinking of competing. Though I doubt Minny would do that. And I wouldn’t do Ball or Ingram.
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KeepItRealOrElse
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Lebron doesn’t have 3-5 years, I am thinking of competing. Though I doubt Minny would do that. And I wouldn’t do Ball or Ingram. |
In 3-4 years Bron will be a top 10 player still |
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BigGameHames
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Lebron doesn’t have 3-5 years, I am thinking of competing. Though I doubt Minny would do that. And I wouldn’t do Ball or Ingram. |
As the best player in the world? Maybe not. But as one of the best? Yea he does. |
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Horizon808...
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| TheBlackMamba wrote: | | Call me crazy, but I like Kuz alone more than Butler at this point in their careers. |
(bleeeeep) Jimmy Butler lol
Kuzma's gonna be better than him..Ingram's gonna be better than him..
The hype surrounding this guy is crazy in itself..No way i'd be trading 2 future young stars for a hyped up, weary Thib legged diva..Hell naw..
Lonzo's gonna be better than him too..And yes this is Lavar Ball..
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BigGameHames
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | Call me crazy, but I like Kuz alone more than Butler at this point in their careers. |
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The Juggernaut
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| TheBlackMamba wrote: | | Call me crazy, but I like Kuz alone more than Butler at this point in their careers. |
Nah bro. I love Kuzma, easily my favorite Laker right now but Butler is a 2 way juggernaut. Having said that I wouldn't trade for him. Keep the youngsters and use the cap space to go after either Kawhi, Jimmy, or Klay. |
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calistrtballr
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Wouldnt trade any of our youth. We got a solid foundating for several years. Bron will bring out the beast mode in all of them |
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AFireInside619
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| calistrtballr wrote: | | Wouldnt trade any of our youth. We got a solid foundating for several years. Bron will bring out the beast mode in all of them |
Yup, stay the course. 2019 is the year. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | Call me crazy, but I like Kuz alone more than Butler at this point in their careers. |
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It is preseason and Laker fans always love the potential of their young players. It is going to be fun to see which of the players actually arise to the occasion. Many of us, I am sure, are going to have to put on a bib, pull out a knife and fork, and eat the crow on the plate in front of us. Only time will tell which of us that will be.
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| Annihilator wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | Call me crazy, but I like Kuz alone more than Butler at this point in their careers. |
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It is preseason and Laker fans always love the potential of their young players. It is going to be fun to see which of the players actually arise to the occasion. Many of us, I am sure, are going to have to put on a bib, pull out a knife and fork, and eat the crow on the plate in front of us. Only time will tell which of us that will be. |
Kuz can be an all star this year and still not have Jimmy Butler impact. If he is better than Butler, the Lakers are the clear second best team in the NBA even if the other young guys don’t improve. That would be awesome, but it’s not gonna happen. |
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lakersibleed
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | Call me crazy, but I like Kuz alone more than Butler at this point in their careers. |
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There is one CRAZY poster in this thread!..lol
I dont want Jimmy unless he comes FREE. I dont want to trade any of our 4 young core for Jimmy. Kuz might not be better than Butler, but talk to me after 50 games! |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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I'd start Kuz and Ingram.. I also wouldn't trade any of our youth core for Butler.
Ingram can be just as effective as any of our other shooting guards at the 2. Which gives us the versatility needed to have Kuz out there with him. |
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