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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:31 pm    Post subject:

6th man.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:35 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
6th man.


Of the year.
Could have been. Tsk tsk.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:40 pm    Post subject:

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I'm not very impressed on RPM because it's not clear what it is. For example, can anyone provide a simple explanation for it? Does anyone (besides the ESPN eggheads) know what the actual formula is?

Can you see the difference between a RPM of 3.0 vs a RPM of 2.0? Will it show up in a boxscore? Is the highest RPM the best player?

I've already raged on the metric before because people keep using it wrong. RPM is a predictive measure i.e. "how their statistical model projects in the future" and not truly a measurement of how well they are actually performing.

Real plus-minus tries to glean player impact while trying to diminish the confounding effects of good players playing together.

Statistically, it's a ridge regression (the main benefit to this is preventing overfitting and stopping parameters from become too large/interdependent) with BPM used as a prior. What the prior means is that not every player is assumed to be a 0 player at the start, historical BPM (which is a box-score estimator of RPM, so you have a bootstrapping scenario here) is used to nudge past great players up a bit.

I think ORPM is generally pretty great. DRPM less so, but that's the case with all defensive stats. Intuitively I think it's because good defense is still not tracked in the box score in meaningful ways. But the idea is since RPM measures on-court point differential, a lot of what doesn't show up in the box score should show up in RPM.

The difference between 3.0 and 2.0 is that you can expect the 3.0 player to generally make you 1 point better.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:42 pm    Post subject:

The other big assumption when citing RPM is that defense and offense are equally important, and that both sides of the ball are equally competently represented, since RPM = ORPM + DRPM. That's why it's probably best to cite ORPM and DRPM separately.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:48 am    Post subject:

His ORPM is encouraging and from what I've seen on the court it's not like he lacks the athletic ability to be decent defensively. If he can improve on the defensive side then we got something.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:58 am    Post subject:

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His ORPM is encouraging and from what I've seen on the court it's not like he lacks the athletic ability to be decent defensively. If he can improve on the defensive side then we got something.


I don't know how good of a defender he can become. But what's the worse that can happen, Carmelo?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:12 pm    Post subject:

Dude is shooting 29% from 3.


By watching him play, I thought it was 18%.


He's pretty much an auto brick when he shoots.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:15 pm    Post subject:

He is missin every shot that is not a dunk.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:18 pm    Post subject:

It pains me to see Kuz struggling to score. Last year he made it look so easy setting records.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:20 pm    Post subject:

Ingram and Kuzma are both butt cheeks lol
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:53 pm    Post subject:

Sell high please
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:58 pm    Post subject:

It’s just about time for him to be benched for Hart or KCP if he doesn’t find his game soon. His terrible 3 point shooting this season is a big limiting factor for the current starting lineup.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:58 pm    Post subject:

12 points 4-9 and two 3's. 5 rebounds and 2 blocks. +13.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:59 pm    Post subject:

I'll wait till after all star break to worry about Kuz
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:01 pm    Post subject:

32 wrote:
12 points 4-9 and two 3's. 5 rebounds and 2 blocks. +13.


Seems totally out of sync too. Except for maybe 1 three
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:01 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
jg77 wrote:
His ORPM is encouraging and from what I've seen on the court it's not like he lacks the athletic ability to be decent defensively. If he can improve on the defensive side then we got something.


I don't know how good of a defender he can become. But what's the worse that can happen, Carmelo?

There was a stat posted about 2 weeks ago that Kuz was the 6th worst defender in the entire NBA

I'm not sure Carmelo was ever that bad. 6th worst is kind of historic
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:02 pm    Post subject:

32 wrote:
12 points 4-9 and two 3's. 5 rebounds and 2 blocks. +13.


Controlled game within flow of offense. I’ll take it

If he plays like this, he will score more because he’s playing the right way.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:03 pm    Post subject:

P.K. wrote:
epak wrote:
jg77 wrote:
His ORPM is encouraging and from what I've seen on the court it's not like he lacks the athletic ability to be decent defensively. If he can improve on the defensive side then we got something.


I don't know how good of a defender he can become. But what's the worse that can happen, Carmelo?

There was a stat posted about 2 weeks ago that Kuz was the 6th worst defender in the entire NBA

I'm not sure Carmelo was ever that bad. 6th worst is kind of historic


Gave up some open 3’s tonight. Actually the whole team did.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:04 pm    Post subject:

I'll take it as well.
But I cannot stand his one hand rebound taps.
Just freaking grab the ball!!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:05 pm    Post subject:

LakerSD wrote:
32 wrote:
12 points 4-9 and two 3's. 5 rebounds and 2 blocks. +13.


Controlled game within flow of offense. I’ll take it

If he plays like this, he will score more because he’s playing the right way.



I rather see Kuz shoot a 3 than BI do an ugly turnaround ISO.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:11 pm    Post subject:

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32 wrote:
12 points 4-9 and two 3's. 5 rebounds and 2 blocks. +13.


Controlled game within flow of offense. I’ll take it

If he plays like this, he will score more because he’s playing the right way.



I rather see Kuz shoot a 3 than BI do an ugly turnaround ISO.


Yeah, I just mean that he wasn't chucking tonight. He played within the flow and did not take any ill advised shots down the stretch.

He also played well on defense and helped late with switches and rebounding.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:12 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
I'll take it as well.
But I cannot stand his one hand rebound taps.
Just freaking grab the ball!!!!!


You're nitpicking
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:27 pm    Post subject:

An adjustment by Luke tonight to move Kuz off the rebound box on free throws and put him in the backcourt...also had Kuz leaking out more
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:27 pm    Post subject:

PauPau wrote:
epak wrote:
I'll take it as well.
But I cannot stand his one hand rebound taps.
Just freaking grab the ball!!!!!


You're nitpicking


Definitely.
Cuz I think he doesn't need to do that.
Just grab it.
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