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LandsbergerRules
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| numero-ocho wrote: | | It's wise to rest him. That's the same ankle/foot he suffered the stress reaction that kept him sidelined for over a month. |
Yeah. Time for Duds to get some minutes and shut Kuz down for a while.
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vasashi17+
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LakerLogic
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| Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| I just don't see his skill-set translating into anything more than a fringe starter, bench player. |
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LonzoLegend2
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| Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Meanwhile BI is getting 27 pts per game. Got swindled in the trade. |
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LakergirlsFan710
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| Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| LonzoLegend2 wrote: | | Meanwhile BI is getting 27 pts per game. Got swindled in the trade. |
ummm, Lakers got Anthony Davis in the trade in Return which immediately made them championship favorites. |
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LakerLogic
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| Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| LonzoLegend2 wrote: | | Meanwhile BI is getting 27 pts per game. Got swindled in the trade. |
Why do people keep bringing this up? The Pelicans wanted BI as the center piece. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| LonzoLegend2 wrote: | | Meanwhile BI is getting 27 pts per game. Got swindled in the trade. |
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LandsbergerRules
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| Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | LonzoLegend2 wrote: | | Meanwhile BI is getting 27 pts per game. Got swindled in the trade. |
Why do people keep bringing this up? The Pelicans wanted BI as the center piece. |
Some will swear up and down that they wanted Kuz more until the end of time.
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drae
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| LandsbergerRules wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | LonzoLegend2 wrote: | | Meanwhile BI is getting 27 pts per game. Got swindled in the trade. |
Why do people keep bringing this up? The Pelicans wanted BI as the center piece. |
Some will swear up and down that they wanted Kuz more until the end of time. |
HA! No. Griffin's not an idiot. Ingram's a star that's about to break out |
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ContagiousInspiration
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| Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| LandsbergerRules wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | LonzoLegend2 wrote: | | Meanwhile BI is getting 27 pts per game. Got swindled in the trade. |
Why do people keep bringing this up? The Pelicans wanted BI as the center piece. |
Some will swear up and down that they wanted Kuz more until the end of time. |
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Brandon Ingram signed a 4 year / $23,823,685 contract with the Los Angeles Lakers, including $23,823,685 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $5,955,921. In 2019-20, Ingram will earn a base salary of $7,265,485, while carrying a cap hit of $7,265,485 and a dead cap value of $7,265,485.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-orleans-pelicans/brandon-ingram-20207/ |
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| People do realize the Pelicans are 6-20, right ? |
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| Day wrote: | | People do realize the Pelicans are 6-20, right ? |
When Zion comes back they will go undefeated |
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | LonzoLegend2 wrote: | | Meanwhile BI is getting 27 pts per game. Got swindled in the trade. |
Why do people keep bringing this up? The Pelicans wanted BI as the center piece. |
True, but we questionably made a point to keep him over a more useful player (Josh Hart) and/or more useful trade assets (future picks). |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | LonzoLegend2 wrote: | | Meanwhile BI is getting 27 pts per game. Got swindled in the trade. |
Why do people keep bringing this up? The Pelicans wanted BI as the center piece. |
True, but we questionably made a point to keep him over a more useful player (Josh Hart) and/or more useful trade assets (future picks). |
Kuz and Lonzo have both been wildly disappointing for both teams. Hart's continued to be a solid role player.
Not sure I would take Hart over Kuz even knowing how the season played out but even if ya'll prefer Hart, it's not some landslide of a difference in good choice or bad choice. |
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| 2019 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | LonzoLegend2 wrote: | | Meanwhile BI is getting 27 pts per game. Got swindled in the trade. |
Why do people keep bringing this up? The Pelicans wanted BI as the center piece. |
True, but we questionably made a point to keep him over a more useful player (Josh Hart) and/or more useful trade assets (future picks). |
Kuz and Lonzo have both been wildly disappointing for both teams. Hart's continued to be a solid role player.
Not sure I would take Hart over Kuz even knowing how the season played out but even if ya'll prefer Hart, it's not some landslide of a difference in good choice or bad choice. |
Lonzo is still only 22. And i think he plays better around better players. He looked good when he played with Lebron. I would have loved to see how he fit with AD/Lebron. If he can get his shot right, there's a really good player there. Defense, passing, rebounding and high bball IQ.
Hart has been as good as Kuzma from 3, more efficient overall (57% TS vs 54%), but rebounds and plays better defense. No worrying about how he fits in or when/how he's going to become that "third all-star." I also believe had we kept him over Kuz, we'd have gotten to keep at least one of those firsts, which we could combine with Hart (or whoever) into a far more palatable trade package. |
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PayasoLoco
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Jared Dudley last 2 Games:
On Court - 38 mins
OffRtg: 102.7
DefRtg: 89.3
NetRtg: +13.4
The drop off between Dudley & Kuz has not been great if at all. Dudley’s superior defense & knockdown ability fits perfectly into being a role player worthy of more mins alongside LBJ & AD
might need mor dudley and less kuz.... |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | LonzoLegend2 wrote: | | Meanwhile BI is getting 27 pts per game. Got swindled in the trade. |
Why do people keep bringing this up? The Pelicans wanted BI as the center piece. |
True, but we questionably made a point to keep him over a more useful player (Josh Hart) and/or more useful trade assets (future picks). |
Kuz and Lonzo have both been wildly disappointing for both teams. Hart's continued to be a solid role player.
Not sure I would take Hart over Kuz even knowing how the season played out but even if ya'll prefer Hart, it's not some landslide of a difference in good choice or bad choice. |
Lonzo is still only 22. And i think he plays better around better players. He looked good when he played with Lebron. I would have loved to see how he fit with AD/Lebron. If he can get his shot right, there's a really good player there. Defense, passing, rebounding and high bball IQ.
Hart has been as good as Kuzma from 3, more efficient overall (57% TS vs 54%), but rebounds and plays better defense. No worrying about how he fits in or when/how he's going to become that "third all-star." I also believe had we kept him over Kuz, we'd have gotten to keep at least one of those firsts, which we could combine with Hart (or whoever) into a far more palatable trade package. |
Lakers are 24-3. If you think we were robbed so badly and miss those players just become a NOP fan |
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| FrankUnderwood wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | LonzoLegend2 wrote: | | Meanwhile BI is getting 27 pts per game. Got swindled in the trade. |
Why do people keep bringing this up? The Pelicans wanted BI as the center piece. |
True, but we questionably made a point to keep him over a more useful player (Josh Hart) and/or more useful trade assets (future picks). |
Kuz and Lonzo have both been wildly disappointing for both teams. Hart's continued to be a solid role player.
Not sure I would take Hart over Kuz even knowing how the season played out but even if ya'll prefer Hart, it's not some landslide of a difference in good choice or bad choice. |
Lonzo is still only 22. And i think he plays better around better players. He looked good when he played with Lebron. I would have loved to see how he fit with AD/Lebron. If he can get his shot right, there's a really good player there. Defense, passing, rebounding and high bball IQ.
Hart has been as good as Kuzma from 3, more efficient overall (57% TS vs 54%), but rebounds and plays better defense. No worrying about how he fits in or when/how he's going to become that "third all-star." I also believe had we kept him over Kuz, we'd have gotten to keep at least one of those firsts, which we could combine with Hart (or whoever) into a far more palatable trade package. |
Lakers are 24-3. If you think we were robbed so badly and miss those players just become a NOP fan |
getting AD was obviously great.. but whether the parts of the trade benefited us enough to reach a championship ceiling, that won't be known until we face the other teams in our tier in the playoffs. The trade got us in the top tier of the NBA; but it's possible that the trade required more perfect execution to make us the best of 3 teams in that tier. Regular season, with a meh strength of schedule so far...really doesn't mean that much. After sucking for so many years, I think he 24-3 record may mean more to our fans than it would if we weren't at the bottom of the NBA. Best team in the league is not determined in the regular season ; Lakers play for rings not records.. Clippers are trying to improve their roster... I hope we are too. We possibly have 2 players who will show up in the post-season |
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Even if we don't win a chip, you still have to be happy with the trade. Could it have been executed better? That's up for debate.
But as I said even before the trade. ANY deal that nets you a future HOF is a deal you're happy about executing, no matter how much you give up. |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | Even if we don't win a chip, you still have to be happy with the trade. Could it have been executed better? That's up for debate.
But as I said even before the trade. ANY deal that nets you a future HOF is a deal you're happy about executing, no matter how much you give up. |
oh of course, you do the trade every time...a 2 year window as a top tier team is nice, it's rarified air. that said, the eye is still on the prize; despite the alternative of being a middling team with developing youngsters |
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SocalDevin
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | Even if we don't win a chip, you still have to be happy with the trade. Could it have been executed better? That's up for debate.
But as I said even before the trade. ANY deal that nets you a future HOF is a deal you're happy about executing, no matter how much you give up. |
oh of course, you do the trade every time...a 2 year window as a top tier team is nice, it's rarified air. that said, the eye is still on the prize; despite the alternative of being a middling team with developing youngsters |
Agreed.. |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | Even if we don't win a chip, you still have to be happy with the trade. Could it have been executed better? That's up for debate.
But as I said even before the trade. ANY deal that nets you a future HOF is a deal you're happy about executing, no matter how much you give up. |
Especially if that future hall of famer is still younger than Larry Nance Jr. |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | Even if we don't win a chip, you still have to be happy with the trade. Could it have been executed better? That's up for debate.
But as I said even before the trade. ANY deal that nets you a future HOF is a deal you're happy about executing, no matter how much you give up. |
oh of course, you do the trade every time...a 2 year window as a top tier team is nice, it's rarified air. that said, the eye is still on the prize; despite the alternative of being a middling team with developing youngsters |
Agreed.. |
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| FrankUnderwood wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | LonzoLegend2 wrote: | | Meanwhile BI is getting 27 pts per game. Got swindled in the trade. |
Why do people keep bringing this up? The Pelicans wanted BI as the center piece. |
True, but we questionably made a point to keep him over a more useful player (Josh Hart) and/or more useful trade assets (future picks). |
Kuz and Lonzo have both been wildly disappointing for both teams. Hart's continued to be a solid role player.
Not sure I would take Hart over Kuz even knowing how the season played out but even if ya'll prefer Hart, it's not some landslide of a difference in good choice or bad choice. |
Lonzo is still only 22. And i think he plays better around better players. He looked good when he played with Lebron. I would have loved to see how he fit with AD/Lebron. If he can get his shot right, there's a really good player there. Defense, passing, rebounding and high bball IQ.
Hart has been as good as Kuzma from 3, more efficient overall (57% TS vs 54%), but rebounds and plays better defense. No worrying about how he fits in or when/how he's going to become that "third all-star." I also believe had we kept him over Kuz, we'd have gotten to keep at least one of those firsts, which we could combine with Hart (or whoever) into a far more palatable trade package. |
Lakers are 24-3. If you think we were robbed so badly and miss those players just become a NOP fan |
Yeah, if you want to pay $20,000 for a $10,000 car then you go for it. Fantastic money management.
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drae
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Yeah, if you want to pay $20,000 for a $10,000 car then you go for it. Fantastic money management. |
To be fair we did try and warn the Clippers that Kawhi was a $10,000 run down drive with eternal suspension problems but they kept wanting to throw away money ... |
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