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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:31 pm    Post subject:

Kuzma can help both not run Ingram too hard at 35MPG and also can spell Lopez some.

I could see this lineup doing some damage while Lopez and Ingram are on the bench.

Lonzo Ball
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Kyle Kuzma
Julius Randle
Larry Nance Jr.

That team lineup could get up and down the court very well while Ingram and Lopez are on the bench.

You could then rest Lonzo, Randle and KCP and run it

Tyler Ennis
Jordan Clarkson
Corey Brewer / Luol Deng
Kyle Kuzma
Larry Nance Jr.

And when Zubac gets minutes

Tyler Ennis
Jordan Clarkson
Kyle Kuzma
Larry Nance Jr.
Ivica Zubac


We got options.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:32 pm    Post subject:

I really hope his 3 point shooting continues. I expect a fall off considering it was a ridiculous 48 percent or something.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:18 am    Post subject:

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I really hope his 3 point shooting continues. I expect a fall off considering it was a ridiculous 48 percent or something.


35-38% seems reasonable.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:20 pm    Post subject:

Six rookies most likely to outshine their NBA draft pick:

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Upside: Kuzma is a skilled modern 4 who can push in transition, make a spot-up 3, attack off the dribble and make plays on the move...

...Kuzma is in a perfect situation to thrive as the Lakers have no stretch-4 on the roster and want to push in transition and move the ball quickly.

Lonzo Ball loves to give it up early in transition, and Kuzma's ability to push in the open floor will play really well next to the UCLA product. While the Lakers aren't short on big bodies with Julius Randle, Larry Nance, Brook Lopez and Ivica Zubac, Kuzma brings a different skill set and can play alongside any of those bigs fairly comfortably.

...Kuzma fits the versatile style of play Luke Walton wants. Ball needs a spaced floor to be at his best, and Kuzma helps fills that void.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:09 pm    Post subject:

Kuzma is going exceed expectations again once the regular season starts.

His shooting, BQIQ, and athleticism will allow him to be the best true stretch 4 on this team.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:47 am    Post subject:

The Los Angeles Lakers look like they could have a steal on their hands in power forward, Kyle Kuzma.


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The fluid 6-9 forward still has to earn his minutes, but a lineup of Ball, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Brandon Ingram, Kuzma and Lopez has at least the threat of shooting at every position and several guys who can handle and facilitate.


https://lakeshowlife.com/2017/08/05/los-angeles-lakers-kyle-kumza-will-outperform-draft-position/
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:56 am    Post subject:

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The Los Angeles Lakers look like they could have a steal on their hands in power forward, Kyle Kuzma.


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The fluid 6-9 forward still has to earn his minutes, but a lineup of Ball, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Brandon Ingram, Kuzma and Lopez has at least the threat of shooting at every position and several guys who can handle and facilitate.


https://lakeshowlife.com/2017/08/05/los-angeles-lakers-kyle-kumza-will-outperform-draft-position/

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In order to clear the cap space required to sign two superstars next summer, the Lakersí front office will have to move Deng, Clarkson, or Randle in some combination. Clarkson and Randle were both mired in trade rumors this offseason and the arrivals of Josh Hart and Kyle Kuzma make their departure seem all but inevitable.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:02 am    Post subject:

pio2u wrote:
The Los Angeles Lakers look like they could have a steal on their hands in power forward, Kyle Kuzma.


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The fluid 6-9 forward still has to earn his minutes, but a lineup of Ball, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Brandon Ingram, Kuzma and Lopez has at least the threat of shooting at every position and several guys who can handle and facilitate.


https://lakeshowlife.com/2017/08/05/los-angeles-lakers-kyle-kumza-will-outperform-draft-position/


There is no question that we got the best player of this deal sending away the worst player that had a terrible contract. That would be funny if in a couple of seasons we find out in Kuzma we got also the second best player of this deal.

We can never expect so much from a player that still has to play his first NBA game, but if it is not for Ball huge summer league we could be talking about how Kuzma had the best summer league of any Lakers rookie since Kobe Bryant and it is not like 22 years old is a lot.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:50 am    Post subject:

nash wrote:
pio2u wrote:
The Los Angeles Lakers look like they could have a steal on their hands in power forward, Kyle Kuzma.


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The fluid 6-9 forward still has to earn his minutes, but a lineup of Ball, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Brandon Ingram, Kuzma and Lopez has at least the threat of shooting at every position and several guys who can handle and facilitate.


https://lakeshowlife.com/2017/08/05/los-angeles-lakers-kyle-kumza-will-outperform-draft-position/


There is no question that we got the best player of this deal
sending away the worst player that had a terrible contract. That would be funny if in a couple of seasons we find out in Kuzma we got also the second best player of this deal.

We can never expect so much from a player that still has to play his first NBA game, but if it is not for Ball huge summer league we could be talking about how Kuzma had the best summer league of any Lakers rookie since Kobe Bryant and it is not like 22 years old is a lot.

I, and many others, disagree heavily with that statement which means there's definitely question about that.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:53 am    Post subject:

nash wrote:
pio2u wrote:
The Los Angeles Lakers look like they could have a steal on their hands in power forward, Kyle Kuzma.


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The fluid 6-9 forward still has to earn his minutes, but a lineup of Ball, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Brandon Ingram, Kuzma and Lopez has at least the threat of shooting at every position and several guys who can handle and facilitate.


https://lakeshowlife.com/2017/08/05/los-angeles-lakers-kyle-kumza-will-outperform-draft-position/


There is no question that we got the best player of this deal sending away the worst player that had a terrible contract. That would be funny if in a couple of seasons we find out in Kuzma we got also the second best player of this deal.

We can never expect so much from a player that still has to play his first NBA game, but if it is not for Ball huge summer league we could be talking about how Kuzma had the best summer league of any Lakers rookie since Kobe Bryant and it is not like 22 years old is a lot.


You do understand that the Lakers had the 28th pick and would likely have selected Kuz? I don't think he should be that big of a factor in evaluating the trade.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:00 am    Post subject:

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nash wrote:
pio2u wrote:
The Los Angeles Lakers look like they could have a steal on their hands in power forward, Kyle Kuzma.


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The fluid 6-9 forward still has to earn his minutes, but a lineup of Ball, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Brandon Ingram, Kuzma and Lopez has at least the threat of shooting at every position and several guys who can handle and facilitate.


https://lakeshowlife.com/2017/08/05/los-angeles-lakers-kyle-kumza-will-outperform-draft-position/


There is no question that we got the best player of this deal sending away the worst player that had a terrible contract. That would be funny if in a couple of seasons we find out in Kuzma we got also the second best player of this deal.

We can never expect so much from a player that still has to play his first NBA game, but if it is not for Ball huge summer league we could be talking about how Kuzma had the best summer league of any Lakers rookie since Kobe Bryant and it is not like 22 years old is a lot.


You do understand that the Lakers had the 28th pick and would likely have selected Kuz? I don't think he should be that big of a factor in evaluating the trade.


But he was part of the trade. That's the truth of it. If Hart or Bryant turn out to be absolute studs do we flip back to saying Kuz was in the Russell deal? You never know how things would have turned out. Another deal for 28 could have come along.

Best to look at things as there were.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:06 am    Post subject:

A more fair argument is the Nets pick allowed us to draft hart and Bryant. I think Kuz was already the pick.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:09 am    Post subject:

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nash wrote:
pio2u wrote:
The Los Angeles Lakers look like they could have a steal on their hands in power forward, Kyle Kuzma.


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The fluid 6-9 forward still has to earn his minutes, but a lineup of Ball, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Brandon Ingram, Kuzma and Lopez has at least the threat of shooting at every position and several guys who can handle and facilitate.


https://lakeshowlife.com/2017/08/05/los-angeles-lakers-kyle-kumza-will-outperform-draft-position/


There is no question that we got the best player of this deal sending away the worst player that had a terrible contract. That would be funny if in a couple of seasons we find out in Kuzma we got also the second best player of this deal.

We can never expect so much from a player that still has to play his first NBA game, but if it is not for Ball huge summer league we could be talking about how Kuzma had the best summer league of any Lakers rookie since Kobe Bryant and it is not like 22 years old is a lot.


You do understand that the Lakers had the 28th pick and would likely have selected Kuz? I don't think he should be that big of a factor in evaluating the trade.


But he was part of the trade. That's the truth of it. If Hart or Bryant turn out to be absolute studs do we flip back to saying Kuz was in the Russell deal? You never know how things would have turned out. Another deal for 28 could have come along.

Best to look at things as there were.


The Lakers might have been able to buy the Bull's 39th pick that the Warriors were able to snag for just a few million in cash. Ultimately, I think Josh Hart is the only real factor in determining if the trade was worth it.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:12 am    Post subject:

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A more fair argument is the Nets pick allowed us to draft hart and Bryant. I think Kuz was already the pick.


How do you know if Kuzma would still be there at 28? The nets or another team they traded the 27 pick to could have taken him.
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A more fair argument is the Nets pick allowed us to draft hart and Bryant. I think Kuz was already the pick.


How do you know if Kuzma would still be there at 28? The nets or another team they traded the 27 pick to could have taken him.


I highly doubt it. He was ranked in the 40s in most drafts. I'm pretty sure we would have him at 28 instead of 27. What is fair is to say we wouldn't have a hart and Bryant.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:22 am    Post subject:

If there were 5-10 likely picks at that Nets pick, then the chance of Kuz being there for us with our original pick was probably about 80% or so. The highest any public board had him was I think 16, but that was the lone anomaly. Good chance you could have got him with our pick, but we'll never know unless someone leaks what the Nets draft board looked like. You've got to factor that asset into the Nets trade equation somehow, even if it's 80% likely we would have gotten him anyway.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:30 am    Post subject:

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If there were 5-10 likely picks at that Nets pick, then the chance of Kuz being there for us with our original pick was probably about 80% or so. The highest any public board had him was I think 16, but that was the lone anomaly. Good chance you could have got him with our pick, but we'll never know unless someone leaks what the Nets draft board looked like. You've got to factor that asset into the Nets trade equation somehow, even if it's 80% likely we would have gotten him anyway.
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My point is that of all the pros/cons of the trade it really shouldn't be accorded too much weight.
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A more fair argument is the Nets pick allowed us to draft hart and Bryant. I think Kuz was already the pick.


How do you know if Kuzma would still be there at 28? The nets or another team they traded the 27 pick to could have taken him.


I highly doubt it. He was ranked in the 40s in most drafts. I'm pretty sure we would have him at 28 instead of 27. What is fair is to say we wouldn't have a hart and Bryant.
or a KCP. Or a Lopez.
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A more fair argument is the Nets pick allowed us to draft hart and Bryant. I think Kuz was already the pick.


How do you know if Kuzma would still be there at 28? The nets or another team they traded the 27 pick to could have taken him.


I highly doubt it. He was ranked in the 40s in most drafts. I'm pretty sure we would have him at 28 instead of 27. What is fair is to say we wouldn't have a hart and Bryant.
or a KCP. Or a Lopez.


We're going down a slippery slope. There are opportunity costs to everything and alternatives. It's not as if KCP is signed long term.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:17 pm    Post subject:

In 5 years I think most people will look at the trade as Kuz, Brook for Moz and DLo because that's the technicality of it no matter how you spin it.

We will probably never know how the Nets draft board looks. There is a chance that he Nets could have taken him due to him being a stretch 4 and factoring that that was a need of the Nets with Atkinson's system
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:50 pm    Post subject:

I see it as we used the Nets pick to get Kuzma. The guy we moved down to draft was Jason Hart, and we picked up Bryant as the reward for trading down.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:38 am    Post subject:

Magic wanted more picks, he is aware that we have to move more young assets to be in position to go after two max players, but he is also aware about the value of players under rookie deals.

I'm glad Kuzma was our choice at #27, the kid is looking like a stud and a great fit.

I wouldn't say this pick wasn't important because we eventually could have him at #28, the point is that this trade was all about the flexibility a team need to rebuilding so I'm going even further to say that it was the #27 pick that gave us the opportunity to turn a #28 pick in two more players that have potential to contribute.

Above all, with Kuzma, Hart and Bryant we still have young talent if we have to move Julius, JC or Zubac.

Id say, brilliant trade, brilliant draft and coming back to the start of the discussion, Kuzma has everything to be more than a throw in on this trade, he is the prototype modern PF in terms of skillset.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:05 am    Post subject:

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In 5 years I think most people will look at the trade as Kuz, Brook for Moz and DLo because that's the technicality of it no matter how you spin it.

We will probably never know how the Nets draft board looks. There is a chance that he Nets could have taken him due to him being a stretch 4 and factoring that that was a need of the Nets with Atkinson's system


If we sign PG13 next year with the cap space it will end up looking like PG13/Kuzma for DLO/Mozgov
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:25 am    Post subject:

Ultimately the trade won't be analyzed with Kuz. It was to get cap space for 2 max players. Focusing on Kuz as an integral part of the trade is an overstated technicality.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:32 am    Post subject:

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In 5 years I think most people will look at the trade as Kuz, Brook for Moz and DLo because that's the technicality of it no matter how you spin it.

We will probably never know how the Nets draft board looks. There is a chance that he Nets could have taken him due to him being a stretch 4 and factoring that that was a need of the Nets with Atkinson's system


Can't buy the argument because Semi Ojeleye and Jonah Bolden were also on the board as stretch 4s at the pick. Across multiple draft sites, Ojeleye was higher ranked over Bolden and Kuzma. LG was right to consider Bolden in the 1st.

Besides, not all teams draft for need. The Lakers didn't NEED another PF. Still drafted one.
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