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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:02 am    Post subject:

Very excited about Kuz. Finally gives us some 3 point shooting at the PF position, something Jules/Nance haven't given us at this point.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:16 pm    Post subject:

In comparing Randle, Nance and Kuzma, Kuzma is the most versatile offensively and Nance is the best defender of these three. In the very near future Randle will be the most expensive of the three to keep. If the Lakers intend to sign two max contracts next year , his salary extension may become an issue. In this coming season if Randle plays like 1/2 of Lebron 2.0 or by some miracle of God Lakers are able to trade Deng with maybe another player like Clarkson are 2 of a few far out scenarios that helps Randle.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:01 pm    Post subject:

Unless randle has as draymond green type renaissance I think he gets traded for assets. Maybe as a package to unload deng and leave 2019 room.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:39 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Very excited about Kuz. Finally gives us some 3 point shooting at the PF position, something Jules/Nance haven't given us at this point.


2016-17 PFs who took 300+ 3pt FGA and shot 35%+: Frye, Anderson, Ibaka, Love, Porzingis, Ilyasova, M Williams

2016-17 SFs who took 300+ 3pt FGA and shot 35%+: Porter Jr, CJ Miles, Snell, Crowder, Hayward, George, Galo, Kawhi, Durant, Ross, LeBron, Melo

That's 19 guys in the league at forward who shoot a good % at a material volume.

I want to see Kuzma join that list
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:58 am    Post subject:

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In comparing Randle, Nance and Kuzma, Kuzma is the most versatile offensively and Nance is the best defender of these three. In the very near future Randle will be the most expensive of the three to keep. If the Lakers intend to sign two max contracts next year , his salary extension may become an issue. In this coming season if Randle plays like 1/2 of Lebron 2.0 or by some miracle of God Lakers are able to trade Deng with maybe another player like Clarkson are 2 of a few far out scenarios that helps Randle.


Kuzma's not more versatile offensively than Randle.

Kuzma can hit threes does not equal more versatility.

Kuzma can hit threes.

Randle is better than him in the fast break offense
Randle doesn't need another point guard to set up his offense in the fast break as he can do it himself while handling the ball.
Randle's better at creating offense in the half court
Randle can get his own shot off against NBA competition in an Iso situations.
He is a better passer and playmaker in the fast break.
He's a better finisher in general.


The only offensive advantage Kuzma has over Randle is he can hit threes. But Randle has him beat everywhere else on the court.


This just echo's when people were saying how Nance was more versatile than Randle and would take his starting spot after his Summer League performance as well.

Randle isn't the guy that should be worried about Kuzma's emergence. Nance, Deng and Zubac should be.

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Very excited about Kuz. Finally gives us some 3 point shooting at the PF position, something Jules/Nance haven't given us at this point.


2016-17 PFs who took 300+ 3pt FGA and shot 35%+: Frye, Anderson, Ibaka, Love, Porzingis, Ilyasova, M Williams

2016-17 SFs who took 300+ 3pt FGA and shot 35%+: Porter Jr, CJ Miles, Snell, Crowder, Hayward, George, Galo, Kawhi, Durant, Ross, LeBron, Melo

That's 19 guys in the league at forward who shoot a good % at a material volume.

I want to see Kuzma join that list


Would be nice, if he could do that I'd see him playing a lot of backup 3 and Deng could be in trouble.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:51 am    Post subject:

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Randle isn't the guy that should be worried about Kuzma's emergence. Nance, Deng and Zubac should be.
If Kuzma emerges as a PF who can hit the 3 and play strong defense, Randle should worry too. The above discussion was all about offensive abilities. My hope is that Walton is going to require some defensive effort to get significant minutes this next year. If Walton gets significantly better defense from Kuzma than Randle, Randle is going to find himself sitting on the bench quite a bit. Until we see Kuzma against real NBA players, however, this is all hypothetical.

Actually, I would also remove Deng's name and add Brewer's to your list. Until I see otherwise, I think Deng will have injuries for the rest of his career that will keep him from playing even a moderate amount of minutes. He has a great contract for 3 more years, why should he worry? He should be the happiest guy in the Southern California.

Brewer, on the other hand, may lose a significant amount of playing time. Magic has already stated that he wants Kuzma to play sf. If that pans out, Brewer is going to have a hard time getting off the bench and, subsequently, getting his next contract.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:59 am    Post subject:

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The only offensive advantage Kuzma has over Randle is he can hit threes. But Randle has him beat everywhere else on the court.


I'd definitely argue this.

With Kuzma, with my romper room magnifying glass, I see:
Better court vision
Better floor recognition/decision-making
Better switch defense (surprised me when he went onto wings)
Better HC execution, explores offensive options, but doesn't stop ball
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:17 pm    Post subject:

I would save judgment on who I like better (Julius vs Kyle) after I see Julius playing with Lonzo first. And then I'd like to see Kyle do the same against non-summer league guys.

After that, I think we'll have a better idea.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:01 pm    Post subject:

The Kuz/Randle debate is fun. Can't wait to see it play out. Personally prioritize shooting
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:11 pm    Post subject:

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The Kuz/Randle debate is fun. Can't wait to see it play out. Personally prioritize shooting


Shooting

Defense

and then whatever else is left.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:18 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
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The only offensive advantage Kuzma has over Randle is he can hit threes. But Randle has him beat everywhere else on the court.


I'd definitely argue this.

With Kuzma, with my romper room magnifying glass, I see:
Better court vision
Better floor recognition/decision-making
Better switch defense (surprised me when he went onto wings)
Better HC execution, explores offensive options, but doesn't stop ball


Adding to that:

Better rolling off the screen.
Better popping off the screen.
Better when changing ends off the ball (kind of a big deal with Lonzo...hopefully Randle figures this out).
Defensively, way better at communication.

Like epak said, it will be interesting to see how Julius adapts to playing with Zo. Maybe he cleans up some of his areas.

The decision will likely be down to whether he gets it done on the defensive end. We've got to figure out keeping Randle vs. Lopez vs. Clarkson vs. KCP vs. free agent. If the light bulb doesn't go off or energy isn't there on D for Julius, then Kuzma and Nance are cheaper alternatives even if Randle turns out slightly better impact.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:22 pm    Post subject:

greenfrog wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
The Kuz/Randle debate is fun. Can't wait to see it play out. Personally prioritize shooting


Shooting

Defense

and then whatever else is left.


100% , from the PF position. Playmaking is ancillary, and Kuzma provides enough of it, while arguably doing it in a more efficient style than Randle

I give Kuzma the defensive edge as well, although I'm interested to see if Randle can indeed improve to Average on that end (being better conditioned) . Kuz probably won't be average himself his rookie year, so that side of the ball will be "meh" for both players this year, in my assumption
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:41 pm    Post subject:

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Mike@LG wrote:
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The only offensive advantage Kuzma has over Randle is he can hit threes. But Randle has him beat everywhere else on the court.


I'd definitely argue this.

With Kuzma, with my romper room magnifying glass, I see:
Better court vision
Better floor recognition/decision-making
Better switch defense (surprised me when he went onto wings)
Better HC execution, explores offensive options, but doesn't stop ball


Adding to that:

Better rolling off the screen.
Better popping off the screen.
Better when changing ends off the ball (kind of a big deal with Lonzo...hopefully Randle figures this out).
Defensively, way better at communication.

Like epak said, it will be interesting to see how Julius adapts to playing with Zo. Maybe he cleans up some of his areas.

The decision will likely be down to whether he gets it done on the defensive end. We've got to figure out keeping Randle vs. Lopez vs. Clarkson vs. KCP vs. free agent. If the light bulb doesn't go off or energy isn't there on D for Julius, then Kuzma and Nance are cheaper alternatives even if Randle turns out slightly better impact.


I pretty much agree with all of thee above. Hopefully Luke gives Kuzma a shot to prove he can do it in the NBA. My instincts tell me that wont come this season though.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 5:19 pm    Post subject:

I agree with mike and DB. Kuzma is probably the better overall basketbll player, but randle has that unique skillset that makes you think he could become a star if he puts it all together. Which is the same reason why randle has started over nance even though nance seems to be the more well rounded player.

Randle is that top pick who you give minutes hoping he figures it all out one day. Right now randle is also the better fit next to Lopez since he's a monster rebounder and with 4 guys who can already spread the floor it's not as important for randle to shoot as it has been in previous seasons (although we all hope he's made that leap).

Kuzma is going to have to wait his turn, but if randle doesn't pan out then a Ingram, Kuzma pairing is very, very intriguing.
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I agree with mike and DB. Kuzma is probably the better overall basketbll player, but randle has that unique skillset that makes you think he could become a star if he puts it all together. Which is the same reason why randle has started over nance even though nance seems to be the more well rounded player.

Randle is that top pick who you give minutes hoping he figures it all out one day. Right now randle is also the better fit next to Lopez since he's a monster rebounder and with 4 guys who can already spread the floor it's not as important for randle to shoot as it has been in previous seasons (although we all hope he's made that leap).

Kuzma is going to have to wait his turn, but if randle doesn't pan out then a Ingram, Kuzma pairing is very, very intriguing.


Except we actually don't (as far as we know right now) have adequate 3-point shooting at the other forward position.

Also, if Kuzma's a better fit out of the gate why does he have to wait his turn? It's pretty clear keeping Randle after this season is a Plan D at this point, so even the "development" rationale falls flat.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:00 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:04 pm    Post subject:

Defense and outlet passing = Nance, btw.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:05 pm    Post subject:

I'll wait till I see Julius paired with Lonzo before comparing. My hunch is Zo makes a big difference. Also to see Kuz vs real NBA comp. Julius has had quite a few monster games in the NBA already.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:23 pm    Post subject:

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I'll wait till I see Julius paired with Lonzo before comparing. My hunch is Zo makes a big difference. Also to see Kuz vs real NBA comp. Julius has had quite a few monster games in the NBA already.


As GT has said, it shouldn't take long to see if they have chemistry together either. It literally took Kuz and Zo just one game to click.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:51 pm    Post subject:

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I'll wait till I see Julius paired with Lonzo before comparing. My hunch is Zo makes a big difference. Also to see Kuz vs real NBA comp. Julius has had quite a few monster games in the NBA already.


As GT has said, it shouldn't take long to see if they have chemistry together either. It literally took Kuz and Zo just one game to click.


I agree it shouldn't take long but not necessarily a single game. SPL comp is significantly different than reg NBA. We won't even KCP for the first two games with his suspension. But if Zo looks comfortable then it shouldn't take long for the other players to gel
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:55 pm    Post subject:

It's on Randle to completely change his game..
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greenfrog wrote:
PICKnPOP wrote:
I agree with mike and DB. Kuzma is probably the better overall basketbll player, but randle has that unique skillset that makes you think he could become a star if he puts it all together. Which is the same reason why randle has started over nance even though nance seems to be the more well rounded player.

Randle is that top pick who you give minutes hoping he figures it all out one day. Right now randle is also the better fit next to Lopez since he's a monster rebounder and with 4 guys who can already spread the floor it's not as important for randle to shoot as it has been in previous seasons (although we all hope he's made that leap).

Kuzma is going to have to wait his turn, but if randle doesn't pan out then a Ingram, Kuzma pairing is very, very intriguing.


Except we actually don't (as far as we know right now) have adequate 3-point shooting at the other forward position.

Also, if Kuzma's a better fit out of the gate why does he have to wait his turn? It's pretty clear keeping Randle after this season is a Plan D at this point, so even the "development" rationale falls flat.


Nance didn't take his spot so idk people think Kuzma will.
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PICKnPOP wrote:
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I agree with mike and DB. Kuzma is probably the better overall basketbll player, but randle has that unique skillset that makes you think he could become a star if he puts it all together. Which is the same reason why randle has started over nance even though nance seems to be the more well rounded player.

Randle is that top pick who you give minutes hoping he figures it all out one day. Right now randle is also the better fit next to Lopez since he's a monster rebounder and with 4 guys who can already spread the floor it's not as important for randle to shoot as it has been in previous seasons (although we all hope he's made that leap).

Kuzma is going to have to wait his turn, but if randle doesn't pan out then a Ingram, Kuzma pairing is very, very intriguing.


Except we actually don't (as far as we know right now) have adequate 3-point shooting at the other forward position.

Also, if Kuzma's a better fit out of the gate why does he have to wait his turn? It's pretty clear keeping Randle after this season is a Plan D at this point, so even the "development" rationale falls flat.


Nance didn't take his spot so idk people think Kuzma will.


Nance can't shoot, tis priority #1
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:03 pm    Post subject:

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It's on Randle to completely change his game..
its not that hard to do because it's the zo effect. Kuz didn't play like this at Utah did he? Did Vander Blue? Nope. The way Zo plays is infectious

You know Julius' passes are bout to be even more fire playing off Zo I can't wait.

I have close to zero reservations about his fit with Zo. Just needs to let the jumper fly like kuz did and everything will open up.
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It's on Randle to completely change his game..
its not that hard to do because it's the zo effect. Kuz didn't play like this at Utah did he? Did Vander Blue? Nope. The way Zo plays is infectious

You know Julius' passes are bout to be even more fire playing off Zo I can't wait.

I have close to zero reservations about his fit with Zo. Just needs to let the jumper fly like kuz did and everything will open up.


He needs to run the lanes in transition, and pass ahead on the break, if he still plans on being a transition ballhandler. That's a pretty big difference from last season's slow trot to the wing, shimmy move, and kick it back to Young for a 3.
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