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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:16 pm    Post subject:

In reply to the last poat

Yea at times Kuzma has forced things plenty as well as taken I'll advised rushed threes or shots that made us think of a 6'9 JC.

The main reason however is he's a rookie and he's gonna have those kinds of ups and downs.

Yes he gets tunnel vision, yes he pounds the ball from time to time and yes he hogs the ball out of our offense from time to time and causes turnovers as a result.

He's done all those things and you can both root for him AND acknowledge those things without protecting him.

But he's done a HECK OF A LOT MORE GOOD THAN BAD.

Benefit is he's a rookie and there's a lot of time to fix it. He bounced back from the two bad games where he was ooc some of the time to playing very controlled and within the offense today.

That's what you expect of a rookie season and he's having a fantastic one. Thus far he's been a top 3 rookie in the NBA imo. First team al-rookie for sure and that's great for us to have that with such a late pick.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:21 pm    Post subject:

^ I've never seen him get the ball early in the shotclock, hold on to the ball for 10+ seconds, and then force it.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:51 pm    Post subject:

Kuz hasn't taken any ill-advised 3s this regular season, maybe just a couple like every player has. He's actually passed up way too many 3s.....
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:54 pm    Post subject:

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Kuz hasn't taken any ill-advised 3s this regular season, maybe just a couple like every player has. He's actually passed up way too many 3s.....


The ones that kill me are the ones he passes up to get called for a travel. Murder I tell u.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:06 am    Post subject:

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Kuz hasn't taken any ill-advised 3s this regular season, maybe just a couple like every player has. He's actually passed up way too many 3s.....


The ones that kill me are the ones he passes up to get called for a travel. Murder I tell u.


Yeup.. there have been a few of those too
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:26 am    Post subject:

His ISO moves and shot potential there, are really encouraging. He probably is more of a scorer than sharpshooter. He'll still be 35% in his prime or maybe next year, don't worry. Very few rookies shoot well from deep. And he's taken like 5 bail out or heaves. Probably realistically at 30% right now. But he's good for 1 a game, his jumper looks good. He'll be a solid 3pt shooter in his prime. So multifaceted , he won't need to be a 40% guy to have allstar impact
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:37 am    Post subject:

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His ISO moves and shot potential there, are really encouraging. He probably is more of a scorer than sharpshooter. He'll still be 35% in his prime or maybe next year, don't worry. Very few rookies shoot well from deep. And he's taken like 5 bail out or heaves. Probably realistically at 30% right now. But he's good for 1 a game, his jumper looks good. He'll be a solid 3pt shooter in his prime. So multifaceted , he won't need to be a 40% guy to have allstar impact


pretty accurate. I'd complaint if he was a 3rd/4th yr player but for a rookie... he good
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governator wrote:
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His ISO moves and shot potential there, are really encouraging. He probably is more of a scorer than sharpshooter. He'll still be 35% in his prime or maybe next year, don't worry. Very few rookies shoot well from deep. And he's taken like 5 bail out or heaves. Probably realistically at 30% right now. But he's good for 1 a game, his jumper looks good. He'll be a solid 3pt shooter in his prime. So multifaceted , he won't need to be a 40% guy to have allstar impact


pretty accurate. I'd complaint if he was a 3rd/4th yr player but for a rookie... he good


Fans are givng him the pass this year because he is a rookie. Fans will start turning on him his second or third year. They will want him traded for a subway sandwich.

Reference: BI last year, JC his rookie year.

Seriously, he just needs to work on the traveling and charging calls. Otherwise he will be fine.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:29 am    Post subject:

Kuzma is 4th on the team in mpg behind Zo, KCP, and BI yet he is 6th in usage rate and two players ahead of him... Clarkson and Randle. Doesn't make sense...especially when both are hovering around 20 mpg.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:46 am    Post subject:

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Kuzma is 4th on the team in mpg behind Zo, KCP, and BI yet he is 6th in usage rate and two players ahead of him... Clarkson and Randle. Doesn't make sense...especially when both are hovering around 20 mpg.


kuzma is 3rd or 4th offensive option in the 1st unit
JC/Randle is 1st/2nd option in 2nd unit

this is coaching designed
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:50 am    Post subject:

governator wrote:
lonzobryant wrote:
Kuzma is 4th on the team in mpg behind Zo, KCP, and BI yet he is 6th in usage rate and two players ahead of him... Clarkson and Randle. Doesn't make sense...especially when both are hovering around 20 mpg.


kuzma is 3rd or 4th offensive option in the 1st unit
JC/Randle is 1st/2nd option in 2nd unit

this is coaching designed


Yes, one has to understand the stat they are using.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:57 am    Post subject:

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^ I've never seen him get the ball early in the shotclock, hold on to the ball for 10+ seconds, and then force it.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:02 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
governator wrote:
lonzobryant wrote:
Kuzma is 4th on the team in mpg behind Zo, KCP, and BI yet he is 6th in usage rate and two players ahead of him... Clarkson and Randle. Doesn't make sense...especially when both are hovering around 20 mpg.


kuzma is 3rd or 4th offensive option in the 1st unit
JC/Randle is 1st/2nd option in 2nd unit

this is coaching designed


Yes, one has to understand the stat they are using.


I thought our offense was predicated on ball movement so it's not about or neither do we have 1st or 2nd option... it's about making the right basketball play like the Warriors do. Maybe I'm wrong.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:04 pm    Post subject:

I'm no X's & O's expert by any means but two summers ago GT posted a video on what to expect from our offense once Luke was in charged. We were all excited, except for whatever reason (whether personnel or coaching) a lot of those plays didn't seem to translate. Especially deception plays and cutting.

I finally saw the one last night. Julius tells Kuzma to cut, and it seems like Kuzma waved him off, so Randle just passes the ball to Zo who's on the sideline area. The defense was so focused on Randle and Ball missed Kuz running around Randle and cutting hard to the basket for two points. Whether by design or smart players doing smart things, I'd like to see more of that. Win or Lose plays like that make my night.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:06 pm    Post subject:

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^ I've never seen him get the ball early in the shotclock, hold on to the ball for 10+ seconds, and then force it.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:55 pm    Post subject:

lonzobryant wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
governator wrote:
lonzobryant wrote:
Kuzma is 4th on the team in mpg behind Zo, KCP, and BI yet he is 6th in usage rate and two players ahead of him... Clarkson and Randle. Doesn't make sense...especially when both are hovering around 20 mpg.


kuzma is 3rd or 4th offensive option in the 1st unit
JC/Randle is 1st/2nd option in 2nd unit

this is coaching designed


Yes, one has to understand the stat they are using.


I thought our offense was predicated on ball movement so it's not about or neither do we have 1st or 2nd option... it's about making the right basketball play like the Warriors do. Maybe I'm wrong.


A high usage rate isnít a bad thing. Players who can create for others often have high usage rates. Part of the reason that Kuz doesnít is because he seldom creates for others.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:16 pm    Post subject:

Kuzma is a good passer and rebounder. But I like the fact that he is decisive and for a rookie he usually makes good choices on both ends of the floor.
He has a bright future in the P&G.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:36 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
lonzobryant wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
governator wrote:
lonzobryant wrote:
Kuzma is 4th on the team in mpg behind Zo, KCP, and BI yet he is 6th in usage rate and two players ahead of him... Clarkson and Randle. Doesn't make sense...especially when both are hovering around 20 mpg.


kuzma is 3rd or 4th offensive option in the 1st unit
JC/Randle is 1st/2nd option in 2nd unit

this is coaching designed


Yes, one has to understand the stat they are using.


I thought our offense was predicated on ball movement so it's not about or neither do we have 1st or 2nd option... it's about making the right basketball play like the Warriors do. Maybe I'm wrong.


A high usage rate isnít a bad thing. Players who can create for others often have high usage rates. Part of the reason that Kuz doesnít is because he seldom creates for others.


And you claim he doesn't understand the stat.

There's a .6 difference in usage between Kuzma and Lonzo. It has no bearing on passing or playmaking.
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greenfrog wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
lonzobryant wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
governator wrote:
lonzobryant wrote:
Kuzma is 4th on the team in mpg behind Zo, KCP, and BI yet he is 6th in usage rate and two players ahead of him... Clarkson and Randle. Doesn't make sense...especially when both are hovering around 20 mpg.


kuzma is 3rd or 4th offensive option in the 1st unit
JC/Randle is 1st/2nd option in 2nd unit

this is coaching designed


Yes, one has to understand the stat they are using.


I thought our offense was predicated on ball movement so it's not about or neither do we have 1st or 2nd option... it's about making the right basketball play like the Warriors do. Maybe I'm wrong.


A high usage rate isnít a bad thing. Players who can create for others often have high usage rates. Part of the reason that Kuz doesnít is because he seldom creates for others.


And you claim he doesn't understand the stat.

There's a .6 difference in usage between Kuzma and Lonzo. It has no bearing on passing or playmaking.

It kinda does, but only in the sense that passing/playmaking leads to more turnovers, generally speaking. Obviously with a guy like Lonzo it's not as true since he does a good job protecting the ball.

I think usage rate is really one of the worst stats out there. It's way too easy to misinterpret.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:26 pm    Post subject:

tox wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
lonzobryant wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
governator wrote:
lonzobryant wrote:
Kuzma is 4th on the team in mpg behind Zo, KCP, and BI yet he is 6th in usage rate and two players ahead of him... Clarkson and Randle. Doesn't make sense...especially when both are hovering around 20 mpg.


kuzma is 3rd or 4th offensive option in the 1st unit
JC/Randle is 1st/2nd option in 2nd unit

this is coaching designed


Yes, one has to understand the stat they are using.


I thought our offense was predicated on ball movement so it's not about or neither do we have 1st or 2nd option... it's about making the right basketball play like the Warriors do. Maybe I'm wrong.


A high usage rate isnít a bad thing. Players who can create for others often have high usage rates. Part of the reason that Kuz doesnít is because he seldom creates for others.


And you claim he doesn't understand the stat.

There's a .6 difference in usage between Kuzma and Lonzo. It has no bearing on passing or playmaking.

It kinda does, but only in the sense that passing/playmaking leads to more turnovers, generally speaking. Obviously with a guy like Lonzo it's not as true since he does a good job protecting the ball.

I think usage rate is really one of the worst stats out there. It's way too easy to misinterpret.


Looking at the TO leaders, I would say, for the exception of Rubio, it's probably 50/50 (individual scoring versus passing) on how the perimeter guys are getting them. Then you have the high turnover centers who aren't doing any playmaking. I agree that it's a very misleading stat.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:29 pm    Post subject:

tox wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
lonzobryant wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
governator wrote:
lonzobryant wrote:
Kuzma is 4th on the team in mpg behind Zo, KCP, and BI yet he is 6th in usage rate and two players ahead of him... Clarkson and Randle. Doesn't make sense...especially when both are hovering around 20 mpg.


kuzma is 3rd or 4th offensive option in the 1st unit
JC/Randle is 1st/2nd option in 2nd unit

this is coaching designed


Yes, one has to understand the stat they are using.


I thought our offense was predicated on ball movement so it's not about or neither do we have 1st or 2nd option... it's about making the right basketball play like the Warriors do. Maybe I'm wrong.


A high usage rate isnít a bad thing. Players who can create for others often have high usage rates. Part of the reason that Kuz doesnít is because he seldom creates for others.


And you claim he doesn't understand the stat.

There's a .6 difference in usage between Kuzma and Lonzo. It has no bearing on passing or playmaking.

It kinda does, but only in the sense that passing/playmaking leads to more turnovers, generally speaking. Obviously with a guy like Lonzo it's not as true since he does a good job protecting the ball.

I think usage rate is really one of the worst stats out there. It's way too easy to misinterpret.


I agree, it has little value. Many people see high and think it is bad and see low and think it is good. Either can be good or bad.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:14 pm    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Kuz hasn't taken any ill-advised 3s this regular season, maybe just a couple like every player has. He's actually passed up way too many 3s.....


Early on he had been taking a bunch of contested 3s which he misses almost every time. He's since been more conscious of attacking closeouts or swinging it, it seems.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:30 pm    Post subject:

Kuz made it rain in the desert!

Kuz control Baby, Let's GO!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:39 pm    Post subject:

Those late game threes were huge tonight.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:42 pm    Post subject:

Got some 3ís to drop but missed almost everything else. I think he and Lonzo are ready for some home cooking. Tough road trip for rookies.
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