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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:19 pm    Post subject:

So.. who is our starting PF for the future if Kuz turns it around and plays up to his potential. Considering how much of a beast Randle is? (and he doesn't get traded)
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:20 pm    Post subject:

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So.. who is our starting PF for the future if Kuz turns it around and plays up to his potential. Considering how much of a beast Randle is? (and he doesn't get traded)

Randle = Draymond type role
Kuz = Iggy type role?

Maybe? (Not in play style necessarily ofc)
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:24 pm    Post subject:

tox wrote:
SocalDevin wrote:
So.. who is our starting PF for the future if Kuz turns it around and plays up to his potential. Considering how much of a beast Randle is? (and he doesn't get traded)

Randle = Draymond type role
Kuz = Iggy type role?

Maybe? (Not in play style necessarily ofc)



Mmm.. so Kuz plays 3/2 rather than 4/3.. Who would you prefer as a starter at the 4?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:26 pm    Post subject:

Whether we like it or not one of Nance, Kuzma,or Randle will get screwed next season if we keep them all
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:30 pm    Post subject:

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Whether we like it or not one of Nance, Kuzma,or Randle will get screwed next season if we keep them all


Sucks.. It's a good problem to have I suppose.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:31 pm    Post subject:

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Whether we like it or not one of Nance, Kuzma,or Randle will get screwed next season if we keep them all


Kuz can play some SF, but Luke refuses to play him there. Randle can play a big chunk at C. But if you throw a guy like Brook Lopez in there, then yeah one of those four will get screwed.

It's all good if we're winning though.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:33 pm    Post subject:

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Whether we like it or not one of Nance, Kuzma,or Randle will get screwed next season if we keep them all


Nance will need to bulk up in order to handle more minutes at C. Kuz can play a bit at SF off the bench, too. And of course Randle needs to continue developing his shot. They all have things they need to work on, but there IS a scenario where we could keep them all and get them their minutes.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:37 pm    Post subject:

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Outside of the Celtics game and maybe one or two others, he's honestly been a pretty bad player overall in 2018 so far. Hit the wall hard, and hasn't gotten past it yet. The ASB can't come soon enough...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:39 pm    Post subject:

SocalDevin wrote:
tox wrote:
SocalDevin wrote:
So.. who is our starting PF for the future if Kuz turns it around and plays up to his potential. Considering how much of a beast Randle is? (and he doesn't get traded)

Randle = Draymond type role
Kuz = Iggy type role?

Maybe? (Not in play style necessarily ofc)



Mmm.. so Kuz plays 3/2 rather than 4/3.. Who would you prefer as a starter at the 4?

Kuz is still more 4/3 to me, Randle probably 5/4. I guess Nance 5/4.
Who starts at the 4 should probably depend on who the center is. I think Julius is the better player right now (though Kuz can make a jump next year) but Kuz's ability to shoot makes him an easier fit for most 5s (and for Lonzo?).
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:39 pm    Post subject:

SocalDevin wrote:
defense wrote:
Whether we like it or not one of Nance, Kuzma,or Randle will get screwed next season if we keep them all


Sucks.. It's a good problem to have I suppose.


Not necessarily if Randle starts as a small ball 5 and Nance splits time between there and forward.

In this scenario, Kuz would spend his time in forward positions. Something similar to this w/o including free agents:

JR/Nance/Bryant
Kuz/Nance
Ingram/Kuz/Brewer
Hart/JC
Lonzo/?(JC?)

Zu seems like hes on the way out.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:52 pm    Post subject:

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Outside of the Celtics game and maybe one or two others, he's honestly been a pretty bad player overall in 2018 so far. Hit the wall hard, and hasn't gotten past it yet. The ASB can't come soon enough...


It feels like he has lost confidence and Luke hasn't been willing to stay with him.

I also don't think it helps him to play with Brewer and Nance, which we have seen happen more and more recently.

I would like to see him get more court time with Randle and Ingram.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:11 pm    Post subject:

tox wrote:
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tox wrote:
SocalDevin wrote:
So.. who is our starting PF for the future if Kuz turns it around and plays up to his potential. Considering how much of a beast Randle is? (and he doesn't get traded)

Randle = Draymond type role
Kuz = Iggy type role?

Maybe? (Not in play style necessarily ofc)



Mmm.. so Kuz plays 3/2 rather than 4/3.. Who would you prefer as a starter at the 4?

Kuz is still more 4/3 to me, Randle probably 5/4. I guess Nance 5/4.
Who starts at the 4 should probably depend on who the center is. I think Julius is the better player right now (though Kuz can make a jump next year) but Kuz's ability to shoot makes him an easier fit for most 5s (and for Lonzo?).


@tox Agreed.. I think Iggy is more of a 3/2 which is why I figured that's what you thought of Kuz.. but yea he's a 3/4. Agree with your post.

@Goat Our perimeter defense would need to be elite level in my opinion. I love Randle's defense on smalls when switched.. but he's not a paint protector. So I wouldn't rule him out as a starting center, but we'd really need solid perimeter D.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:45 pm    Post subject:

Ujah's Goat wrote:
SocalDevin wrote:
defense wrote:
Whether we like it or not one of Nance, Kuzma,or Randle will get screwed next season if we keep them all


Sucks.. It's a good problem to have I suppose.


Not necessarily if Randle starts as a small ball 5 and Nance splits time between there and forward.

In this scenario, Kuz would spend his time in forward positions. Something similar to this w/o including free agents:

JR/Nance/Bryant
Kuz/Nance
Ingram/Kuz/Brewer
Hart/JC
Lonzo/?(JC?)

Zu seems like hes on the way out.


Our scouting department is legendary
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:03 pm    Post subject:

Ujah's Goat wrote:
Ujah's Goat wrote:
SocalDevin wrote:
defense wrote:
Whether we like it or not one of Nance, Kuzma,or Randle will get screwed next season if we keep them all


Sucks.. It's a good problem to have I suppose.


Not necessarily if Randle starts as a small ball 5 and Nance splits time between there and forward.

In this scenario, Kuz would spend his time in forward positions. Something similar to this w/o including free agents:

JR/Nance/Bryant
Kuz/Nance
Ingram/Kuz/Brewer
Hart/JC
Lonzo/?(JC?)

Zu seems like hes on the way out.


Our scouting department is legendary

Now, imagine if we didn't have Deng's contract...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:08 pm    Post subject:

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Whether we like it or not one of Nance, Kuzma,or Randle will get screwed next season if we keep them all


Nance is playing almost exclusively at center, Kuzma at PF and Randle at PF and center. There would be 96 minutes at those two positions with a vet center playing 20 of them.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:22 pm    Post subject:

SocalDevin wrote:
tox wrote:
SocalDevin wrote:
tox wrote:
SocalDevin wrote:
So.. who is our starting PF for the future if Kuz turns it around and plays up to his potential. Considering how much of a beast Randle is? (and he doesn't get traded)

Randle = Draymond type role
Kuz = Iggy type role?

Maybe? (Not in play style necessarily ofc)



Mmm.. so Kuz plays 3/2 rather than 4/3.. Who would you prefer as a starter at the 4?

Kuz is still more 4/3 to me, Randle probably 5/4. I guess Nance 5/4.
Who starts at the 4 should probably depend on who the center is. I think Julius is the better player right now (though Kuz can make a jump next year) but Kuz's ability to shoot makes him an easier fit for most 5s (and for Lonzo?).


@tox Agreed.. I think Iggy is more of a 3/2 which is why I figured that's what you thought of Kuz.. but yea he's a 3/4. Agree with your post.

@Goat Our perimeter defense would need to be elite level in my opinion. I love Randle's defense on smalls when switched.. but he's not a paint protector. So I wouldn't rule him out as a starting center, but we'd really need solid perimeter D.

Yeah I meant he's like Iggy insofar that he comes off the bench but he's still part of the Warriors' "death lineup" (or he was, I think he's fallen off a cliff this year) and plays starters' minutes.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:26 pm    Post subject:

I would guess that no player has been affected more by Balls absence than Kuz.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:19 pm    Post subject:

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I would guess that no player has been affected more by Balls absence than Kuz.


Honestly I hadn't really noticed that the slump coincided so much but you're right. That just goes to show why he shouldn't be a number 1 option growing forward despite the plethora of different ways to score. Really can't wait to see Zo back out there on the court with this team the way we're playing.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:37 am    Post subject:

Fortunately Josh Hart has stepped up.

IMO Kuz, Zo and Hart are going to be a formidable trio for years to come.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:39 am    Post subject:

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I would guess that no player has been affected more by Balls absence than Kuz.


I think coming off the bench is a factor, as well. Some guys get their rhythm better as starters and Kuz may be one of them. Looking at his splits, his numbers have steadily declined since November - but so have his starts. It may be "cart-pulling-the-horse" but I think he needs more minutes with the 1st team.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:44 am    Post subject:

Kuz/Hart combined salary for the next 3-4 years makes me feel
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:47 am    Post subject:

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Kuz/Hart combined salary for the next 3-4 years makes me feel


Don't forget Lonzo
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:59 am    Post subject:

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I would guess that no player has been affected more by Balls absence than Kuz.


Honestly I hadn't really noticed that the slump coincided so much but you're right. That just goes to show why he shouldn't be a number 1 option growing forward despite the plethora of different ways to score. Really can't wait to see Zo back out there on the court with this team the way we're playing.

Vice versa, I think Randle's performance will drop once Lonzo is back.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:01 am    Post subject:

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Kuz/Hart combined salary for the next 3-4 years makes me feel


Don't forget Lonzo


Sure. But he's a high lottery pick who will have a huge cap hold at the end of his rookie deal.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:21 am    Post subject:

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I would guess that no player has been affected more by Balls absence than Kuz.


Honestly I hadn't really noticed that the slump coincided so much but you're right. That just goes to show why he shouldn't be a number 1 option growing forward despite the plethora of different ways to score. Really can't wait to see Zo back out there on the court with this team the way we're playing.

Vice versa, I think Randle's performance will drop once Lonzo is back.


Actually, prior to Ball going out, Randle always performed better with Zo on the floor than off of it... that was the same for just about everyone on the team.
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