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lonzobryant wrote:
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BigGameHames wrote:
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Kuz on a media blitz to help promote the Laker brand and some fans find a way to be critical of him because they're favorite Laker isn't getting any shine. LG at its finest.

The Laker PR dept. knows exactly what they're doing with Kuz. Since the Lakers are absent from the playoffs what better way to keep us in the news.

I agree it's crazy how much hate this kid gets.


Are you guys making things up?
Who hates him for doing media in the off-season?

Nope people be saying all kinds of strange things 😂. Why ain't he in the gym, they act like he's a all star, kuzma head getting to big, why all the fuss about a 6th man etc it's ridiculous.


where do you do stand up?


Smh I'm talking about later fans that always try to down him to uplift their favorite player, me personally I love our young squad and want to keep them together.
I am not going to sit here and tell you guys that Lonzo and Ingrams don't get hate b3cause they do, but if you really listen to the argument against Kuzma and consider how he played his rookie year compared to both there rookie years it's foolishness. People always want to penalize Kuzma for staying in school but how many players stayed in school and was garbage coming into the NBA? So I guess Kuzma has a low ceilings because he's 22?come on this man just had the best rookie season of any layer in at least the last 25 years like its common place for a guy to come in and do what he did and display the type of offensive versatility that he has and make gonna 6th man or just a role player really?Now I know he has hings he can work on but Infer like through out the season he improved he's a work horse and I think he's going to get better on defense and with his ball handling. I just feel like we have a diamond and most are making him a out to be a bigger Jordan Clarkson.
Look at some of the players that came out after spending years in college and improves after their first year and tell me kuzma can't. I know since Lonzo and Ingram are younger that they have more time to develop but we know that's no guarantee.


I think youíre exaggerating Kuzmas rookie year quite a bit. He was great but thereís a very legitimate argument that he wasnít even the best rookie on the team this year. The team was worse when he was on the floor over the course of the year. His defense was horrible for most of the year although he showed improvement towards the end of the year. He didnít create much offense for himself or the rest of the team.

With that said, heís a great guy if you have players to set him up and put him in advantageous offensive positions. But I think thatís where the 6th man/role player stuff comes from. Poor defenders who donít create offense are often replaceable. Heís young and very polished offensively which makes him valuable but saying heís by far the best rookie in 25 years is a drastic exaggeration IMO.


Name a later rookie in the last 25 years that has had a better rookie season than kuzma. I saw glimpses of him being able to create his own shot like against Boston and San Antonio also play making, does he do it enough absolutely not but he has the potential to do so.
Clarkson rookie year was normal good as kuzma and people may have said that(hes Westbrook) but not me lol.The point is Kuzma is not a player to keep on the bench he's a worker and a player that desires to be great you can't discredit these people especially when they have school work ethic and ask questions.


Lonzo. And Kobe likely wouldíve if he wasnít on a contender behind established players. Again, not saying he had a bad rookie year at all but letís stop with the exaggerations.

Heís way better than Clarkson, that doesnít mean much though. That dude isnít very good and was drastically overrated on here.

Being a ďworkerĒ is completely subjective. Iím not saying heís not one, but we donít know if he works as hard, harder, or less than anybody on the team. Unless you have some insider connection.


He is thirsty to learn and to be great even when he was drafted they said he was a gym rat and coaches and players have said he wants it he's always picking players brains and adding to his game. I don't t think Lonzo or Kobe had a better rookie year than kuzma, obviously Kobe is goat and I mean no disrespect but even Kobe himself sees that hunger in Kuzma. I believe Lonzo can be a great if he get some things in his game together like his shooting and aggressiveness and get stronger and I also believe the same for Ingram. Like I have said I believe we can have our own big 3 with Ingram, Ball and Kuzma and that kuzma should not be labeled as just a role player after he showed the ability this year to be so much more in his first year in the NBA ijs.


I think he showed great role player potential but I donít think youíll ever be able to run a successful offense through him. I hope Iím wrong.


See that's what I really don't understand why can't they? Try ran the offense through him down the stretch against Boston and San Antonio so he's shown given the the can. Now he's no finished product he still needs to get stronger and also work on his ball handling, but we even saw him improve his ball handling as the season progresses.Roll players don't have the skill set that he has to score any given way on all 3 levels .


Check this out.


1.Step back from mid range all the way out to 3 point land.
2.Spin move.
3.Floaters with either hand.
4.Fade away.
5.Hook shots with either hand.
6.skyhook lol.
7.A cross over which he still needs to tighten up but he's been successful in games using it.
8.Off screens either pick and roller pick and pop.
9.euro step.
10.jab step.

I mean he has so many things he can do and is still asking questions to vets on how to do more stuff. Look people didn't think that Jimmy Butler was goingbto be as good as he is not did they think kawi was going to be as good and these guys are perfect examples of how we should not minimize kuzma, they all spent years in college but it took Kawi and Jimmy a little longer to progress and they became some of the best players in the NBA. Now Kuzma comes in and has a very good rookie year that we haven't seen in a long time from a rookie he has done more in his first year than either of them guys in there first 3 and we say we'll he's a great role player like there's no chance he can become more?wow even NBA players have higher expectations that some of us. Like I started before I believe we are sitting on a potential big 3 with Ingram Ball and Kuzma Ijust don't see kuzma being a role player. Also it's not because of the flash as some say it's because hoe much he has improved from Utah to his rookie year and as his rookie season progresses, he wants it and you can never understand estimate a player that has already improved and is hungry to continue ijs.


Thereís all stars out there who you canít use as the primary playmaker of an offense. I just donít think he showed an ability to do that despite his polished game. At least not on a team looking to contend. With that said, I think he can be very valuable, heís just not gonna be one of the main creators on offense. I compared him to Klay Thompson offensively and Iím underrating him?

Thereís tons of players who want it, but donít have it so I donít put as much stock in that as you do I guess.


We'll see next year on how much Kuzma improves. The reason a lot of posters comments come off as "hating" is because they act if it's almost certain that he can't be this or can't do this but then they hit us with a "idk tho, I hope I'm wrong" that's hating, imo. Especially the users acting if Lonzo's game is certain to be special. We drafted two great rookies why can't we just enjoy them both around here. I'm not talking about you specifically but just from what I've seen on LG.


If hoping a player does better than I expect him to is hating then Iíve been hating on every Lakers player since I was born.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 6:29 am    Post subject:

BigGameHames wrote:
lonzobryant wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
Lakers great32 wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
Lakers great32 wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
Lakers great32 wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
Lakers great32 wrote:
VicXLakers wrote:
Lakers great32 wrote:
epak wrote:
Lakers great32 wrote:
Team of the 80's wrote:
Kuz on a media blitz to help promote the Laker brand and some fans find a way to be critical of him because they're favorite Laker isn't getting any shine. LG at its finest.

The Laker PR dept. knows exactly what they're doing with Kuz. Since the Lakers are absent from the playoffs what better way to keep us in the news.

I agree it's crazy how much hate this kid gets.


Are you guys making things up?
Who hates him for doing media in the off-season?

Nope people be saying all kinds of strange things 😂. Why ain't he in the gym, they act like he's a all star, kuzma head getting to big, why all the fuss about a 6th man etc it's ridiculous.


where do you do stand up?


Smh I'm talking about later fans that always try to down him to uplift their favorite player, me personally I love our young squad and want to keep them together.
I am not going to sit here and tell you guys that Lonzo and Ingrams don't get hate b3cause they do, but if you really listen to the argument against Kuzma and consider how he played his rookie year compared to both there rookie years it's foolishness. People always want to penalize Kuzma for staying in school but how many players stayed in school and was garbage coming into the NBA? So I guess Kuzma has a low ceilings because he's 22?come on this man just had the best rookie season of any layer in at least the last 25 years like its common place for a guy to come in and do what he did and display the type of offensive versatility that he has and make gonna 6th man or just a role player really?Now I know he has hings he can work on but Infer like through out the season he improved he's a work horse and I think he's going to get better on defense and with his ball handling. I just feel like we have a diamond and most are making him a out to be a bigger Jordan Clarkson.
Look at some of the players that came out after spending years in college and improves after their first year and tell me kuzma can't. I know since Lonzo and Ingram are younger that they have more time to develop but we know that's no guarantee.


I think youíre exaggerating Kuzmas rookie year quite a bit. He was great but thereís a very legitimate argument that he wasnít even the best rookie on the team this year. The team was worse when he was on the floor over the course of the year. His defense was horrible for most of the year although he showed improvement towards the end of the year. He didnít create much offense for himself or the rest of the team.

With that said, heís a great guy if you have players to set him up and put him in advantageous offensive positions. But I think thatís where the 6th man/role player stuff comes from. Poor defenders who donít create offense are often replaceable. Heís young and very polished offensively which makes him valuable but saying heís by far the best rookie in 25 years is a drastic exaggeration IMO.


Name a later rookie in the last 25 years that has had a better rookie season than kuzma. I saw glimpses of him being able to create his own shot like against Boston and San Antonio also play making, does he do it enough absolutely not but he has the potential to do so.
Clarkson rookie year was normal good as kuzma and people may have said that(hes Westbrook) but not me lol.The point is Kuzma is not a player to keep on the bench he's a worker and a player that desires to be great you can't discredit these people especially when they have school work ethic and ask questions.


Lonzo. And Kobe likely wouldíve if he wasnít on a contender behind established players. Again, not saying he had a bad rookie year at all but letís stop with the exaggerations.

Heís way better than Clarkson, that doesnít mean much though. That dude isnít very good and was drastically overrated on here.

Being a ďworkerĒ is completely subjective. Iím not saying heís not one, but we donít know if he works as hard, harder, or less than anybody on the team. Unless you have some insider connection.


He is thirsty to learn and to be great even when he was drafted they said he was a gym rat and coaches and players have said he wants it he's always picking players brains and adding to his game. I don't t think Lonzo or Kobe had a better rookie year than kuzma, obviously Kobe is goat and I mean no disrespect but even Kobe himself sees that hunger in Kuzma. I believe Lonzo can be a great if he get some things in his game together like his shooting and aggressiveness and get stronger and I also believe the same for Ingram. Like I have said I believe we can have our own big 3 with Ingram, Ball and Kuzma and that kuzma should not be labeled as just a role player after he showed the ability this year to be so much more in his first year in the NBA ijs.


I think he showed great role player potential but I donít think youíll ever be able to run a successful offense through him. I hope Iím wrong.


See that's what I really don't understand why can't they? Try ran the offense through him down the stretch against Boston and San Antonio so he's shown given the the can. Now he's no finished product he still needs to get stronger and also work on his ball handling, but we even saw him improve his ball handling as the season progresses.Roll players don't have the skill set that he has to score any given way on all 3 levels .


Check this out.


1.Step back from mid range all the way out to 3 point land.
2.Spin move.
3.Floaters with either hand.
4.Fade away.
5.Hook shots with either hand.
6.skyhook lol.
7.A cross over which he still needs to tighten up but he's been successful in games using it.
8.Off screens either pick and roller pick and pop.
9.euro step.
10.jab step.

I mean he has so many things he can do and is still asking questions to vets on how to do more stuff. Look people didn't think that Jimmy Butler was goingbto be as good as he is not did they think kawi was going to be as good and these guys are perfect examples of how we should not minimize kuzma, they all spent years in college but it took Kawi and Jimmy a little longer to progress and they became some of the best players in the NBA. Now Kuzma comes in and has a very good rookie year that we haven't seen in a long time from a rookie he has done more in his first year than either of them guys in there first 3 and we say we'll he's a great role player like there's no chance he can become more?wow even NBA players have higher expectations that some of us. Like I started before I believe we are sitting on a potential big 3 with Ingram Ball and Kuzma Ijust don't see kuzma being a role player. Also it's not because of the flash as some say it's because hoe much he has improved from Utah to his rookie year and as his rookie season progresses, he wants it and you can never understand estimate a player that has already improved and is hungry to continue ijs.


Thereís all stars out there who you canít use as the primary playmaker of an offense. I just donít think he showed an ability to do that despite his polished game. At least not on a team looking to contend. With that said, I think he can be very valuable, heís just not gonna be one of the main creators on offense. I compared him to Klay Thompson offensively and Iím underrating him?

Thereís tons of players who want it, but donít have it so I donít put as much stock in that as you do I guess.


We'll see next year on how much Kuzma improves. The reason a lot of posters comments come off as "hating" is because they act if it's almost certain that he can't be this or can't do this but then they hit us with a "idk tho, I hope I'm wrong" that's hating, imo. Especially the users acting if Lonzo's game is certain to be special. We drafted two great rookies why can't we just enjoy them both around here. I'm not talking about you specifically but just from what I've seen on LG.


If hoping a player does better than I expect him to is hating then Iíve been hating on every Lakers player since I was born.


Unfortunately, it doesn't come off as genuine.
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I can genuinely root for Kuzma without setting unrealistic expectations. I just compared him to Klay Thompson, apparently thatís not enough.
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If hoping a player does better than I expect him to is hating then Iíve been hating on every Lakers player since I was born.


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Unfortunately, it doesn't come off as genuine.


I can genuinely root for Kuzma without setting unrealistic expectations. I just compared him to Klay Thompson, apparently thatís not enough.


Fair enough. I think next year we'll see how good these guys are really going to be.
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lonzobryant wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
Lakers great32 wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
Lakers great32 wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
Lakers great32 wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
Lakers great32 wrote:
VicXLakers wrote:
Lakers great32 wrote:
epak wrote:
Lakers great32 wrote:
Team of the 80's wrote:
Kuz on a media blitz to help promote the Laker brand and some fans find a way to be critical of him because they're favorite Laker isn't getting any shine. LG at its finest.

The Laker PR dept. knows exactly what they're doing with Kuz. Since the Lakers are absent from the playoffs what better way to keep us in the news.

I agree it's crazy how much hate this kid gets.


Are you guys making things up?
Who hates him for doing media in the off-season?

Nope people be saying all kinds of strange things 😂. Why ain't he in the gym, they act like he's a all star, kuzma head getting to big, why all the fuss about a 6th man etc it's ridiculous.


where do you do stand up?


Smh I'm talking about later fans that always try to down him to uplift their favorite player, me personally I love our young squad and want to keep them together.
I am not going to sit here and tell you guys that Lonzo and Ingrams don't get hate b3cause they do, but if you really listen to the argument against Kuzma and consider how he played his rookie year compared to both there rookie years it's foolishness. People always want to penalize Kuzma for staying in school but how many players stayed in school and was garbage coming into the NBA? So I guess Kuzma has a low ceilings because he's 22?come on this man just had the best rookie season of any layer in at least the last 25 years like its common place for a guy to come in and do what he did and display the type of offensive versatility that he has and make gonna 6th man or just a role player really?Now I know he has hings he can work on but Infer like through out the season he improved he's a work horse and I think he's going to get better on defense and with his ball handling. I just feel like we have a diamond and most are making him a out to be a bigger Jordan Clarkson.
Look at some of the players that came out after spending years in college and improves after their first year and tell me kuzma can't. I know since Lonzo and Ingram are younger that they have more time to develop but we know that's no guarantee.


I think youíre exaggerating Kuzmas rookie year quite a bit. He was great but thereís a very legitimate argument that he wasnít even the best rookie on the team this year. The team was worse when he was on the floor over the course of the year. His defense was horrible for most of the year although he showed improvement towards the end of the year. He didnít create much offense for himself or the rest of the team.

With that said, heís a great guy if you have players to set him up and put him in advantageous offensive positions. But I think thatís where the 6th man/role player stuff comes from. Poor defenders who donít create offense are often replaceable. Heís young and very polished offensively which makes him valuable but saying heís by far the best rookie in 25 years is a drastic exaggeration IMO.


Name a later rookie in the last 25 years that has had a better rookie season than kuzma. I saw glimpses of him being able to create his own shot like against Boston and San Antonio also play making, does he do it enough absolutely not but he has the potential to do so.
Clarkson rookie year was normal good as kuzma and people may have said that(hes Westbrook) but not me lol.The point is Kuzma is not a player to keep on the bench he's a worker and a player that desires to be great you can't discredit these people especially when they have school work ethic and ask questions.


Lonzo. And Kobe likely wouldíve if he wasnít on a contender behind established players. Again, not saying he had a bad rookie year at all but letís stop with the exaggerations.

Heís way better than Clarkson, that doesnít mean much though. That dude isnít very good and was drastically overrated on here.

Being a ďworkerĒ is completely subjective. Iím not saying heís not one, but we donít know if he works as hard, harder, or less than anybody on the team. Unless you have some insider connection.


He is thirsty to learn and to be great even when he was drafted they said he was a gym rat and coaches and players have said he wants it he's always picking players brains and adding to his game. I don't t think Lonzo or Kobe had a better rookie year than kuzma, obviously Kobe is goat and I mean no disrespect but even Kobe himself sees that hunger in Kuzma. I believe Lonzo can be a great if he get some things in his game together like his shooting and aggressiveness and get stronger and I also believe the same for Ingram. Like I have said I believe we can have our own big 3 with Ingram, Ball and Kuzma and that kuzma should not be labeled as just a role player after he showed the ability this year to be so much more in his first year in the NBA ijs.


I think he showed great role player potential but I donít think youíll ever be able to run a successful offense through him. I hope Iím wrong.


See that's what I really don't understand why can't they? Try ran the offense through him down the stretch against Boston and San Antonio so he's shown given the the can. Now he's no finished product he still needs to get stronger and also work on his ball handling, but we even saw him improve his ball handling as the season progresses.Roll players don't have the skill set that he has to score any given way on all 3 levels .


Check this out.


1.Step back from mid range all the way out to 3 point land.
2.Spin move.
3.Floaters with either hand.
4.Fade away.
5.Hook shots with either hand.
6.skyhook lol.
7.A cross over which he still needs to tighten up but he's been successful in games using it.
8.Off screens either pick and roller pick and pop.
9.euro step.
10.jab step.

I mean he has so many things he can do and is still asking questions to vets on how to do more stuff. Look people didn't think that Jimmy Butler was goingbto be as good as he is not did they think kawi was going to be as good and these guys are perfect examples of how we should not minimize kuzma, they all spent years in college but it took Kawi and Jimmy a little longer to progress and they became some of the best players in the NBA. Now Kuzma comes in and has a very good rookie year that we haven't seen in a long time from a rookie he has done more in his first year than either of them guys in there first 3 and we say we'll he's a great role player like there's no chance he can become more?wow even NBA players have higher expectations that some of us. Like I started before I believe we are sitting on a potential big 3 with Ingram Ball and Kuzma Ijust don't see kuzma being a role player. Also it's not because of the flash as some say it's because hoe much he has improved from Utah to his rookie year and as his rookie season progresses, he wants it and you can never understand estimate a player that has already improved and is hungry to continue ijs.


Thereís all stars out there who you canít use as the primary playmaker of an offense. I just donít think he showed an ability to do that despite his polished game. At least not on a team looking to contend. With that said, I think he can be very valuable, heís just not gonna be one of the main creators on offense. I compared him to Klay Thompson offensively and Iím underrating him?

Thereís tons of players who want it, but donít have it so I donít put as much stock in that as you do I guess.


We'll see next year on how much Kuzma improves. The reason a lot of posters comments come off as "hating" is because they act if it's almost certain that he can't be this or can't do this but then they hit us with a "idk tho, I hope I'm wrong" that's hating, imo. Especially the users acting if Lonzo's game is certain to be special. We drafted two great rookies why can't we just enjoy them both around here. I'm not talking about you specifically but just from what I've seen on LG.


I agree 100%
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 6:52 am    Post subject:

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If hoping a player does better than I expect him to is hating then Iíve been hating on every Lakers player since I was born.


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Unfortunately, it doesn't come off as genuine.


I can genuinely root for Kuzma without setting unrealistic expectations. I just compared him to Klay Thompson, apparently thatís not enough.


Klay Thompson is really Just a shooter albeit one of the greatest shooters of all times with some defense his offensive game is not a divers as kuzma.Also they ran the offense through Klay when curry was out a lot he ran through screens and all that like Reggie Miller shooters that had the offense ran through them.


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If hoping a player does better than I expect him to is hating then Iíve been hating on every Lakers player since I was born.


Quote:
Unfortunately, it doesn't come off as genuine.


I can genuinely root for Kuzma without setting unrealistic expectations. I just compared him to Klay Thompson, apparently thatís not enough.


Klay Thompson is really Just a shooter albeit one of the greatest shooters of all times with some defense his offensive game is not a divers as kuzma


A much better shooter. Kuzma is a better finisher. Similar lack of ability to break down a defense and create for themselves and others. Both thrive as off-ball scorers. Not to mention Klay is a MUCH better defender.

We can disagree, but Iím not a hater for thinking he wonít be a better offensive player than Klay and acknowledging that isnít me rooting against Kuz.
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BigGameHames wrote:
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BigGameHames wrote:
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If hoping a player does better than I expect him to is hating then Iíve been hating on every Lakers player since I was born.


Quote:
Unfortunately, it doesn't come off as genuine.


I can genuinely root for Kuzma without setting unrealistic expectations. I just compared him to Klay Thompson, apparently thatís not enough.


Klay Thompson is really Just a shooter albeit one of the greatest shooters of all times with some defense his offensive game is not a divers as kuzma


A much better shooter. Kuzma is a better finisher. Similar lack of ability to break down a defense and create for themselves and others. Both thrive as off-ball scorers. Not to mention Klay is a MUCH better defender.

We can disagree, but Iím not a hater for thinking he wonít be a better offensive player than Klay and acknowledging that isnít me rooting against Kuz.

This isn't even remotely true. Kuz's value is that he can create for himself, and is also an underrated playmaker. Klay thrives in GS's ball movement screen/cut/spot up offense. He's a perfect system player. Their games aren't even similar outside of good spot up shooting.
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trablos wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
Lakers great32 wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
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If hoping a player does better than I expect him to is hating then Iíve been hating on every Lakers player since I was born.


Quote:
Unfortunately, it doesn't come off as genuine.


I can genuinely root for Kuzma without setting unrealistic expectations. I just compared him to Klay Thompson, apparently thatís not enough.


Klay Thompson is really Just a shooter albeit one of the greatest shooters of all times with some defense his offensive game is not a divers as kuzma


A much better shooter. Kuzma is a better finisher. Similar lack of ability to break down a defense and create for themselves and others. Both thrive as off-ball scorers. Not to mention Klay is a MUCH better defender.

We can disagree, but Iím not a hater for thinking he wonít be a better offensive player than Klay and acknowledging that isnít me rooting against Kuz.

This isn't even remotely true. Kuz's value is that he can create for himself, and is also an underrated playmaker. Klay thrives in GS's ball movement screen/cut/spot up offense. He's a perfect system player. Their games aren't even similar outside of good spot up shooting.


We can agree to disagree then.

Klay averaged 3 assists per 36 min his rookie year, Kuz was at 2.1. Klay was at 2.0 raw apg his rookie year, Kuz at 1.8. Statistically, Klay is better at creating for others.

Kuz is better at creating for himself but I donít think itís something he should be asked to rely on. They both are far more efficient when being set up for and not being a primary playmaker.

Iím not saying they are the same player. Iím saying they fit in similar roles on a contender and Kuz could reach the caliber of offensive player Klay is if put in that role on a contender. Keep in mind, Klay is a perennial all-star and 2 time champion with another ring in his near future.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 8:30 am    Post subject:

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trablos wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
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If hoping a player does better than I expect him to is hating then Iíve been hating on every Lakers player since I was born.


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Unfortunately, it doesn't come off as genuine.


I can genuinely root for Kuzma without setting unrealistic expectations. I just compared him to Klay Thompson, apparently thatís not enough.


Klay Thompson is really Just a shooter albeit one of the greatest shooters of all times with some defense his offensive game is not a divers as kuzma


A much better shooter. Kuzma is a better finisher. Similar lack of ability to break down a defense and create for themselves and others. Both thrive as off-ball scorers. Not to mention Klay is a MUCH better defender.

We can disagree, but Iím not a hater for thinking he wonít be a better offensive player than Klay and acknowledging that isnít me rooting against Kuz.

This isn't even remotely true. Kuz's value is that he can create for himself, and is also an underrated playmaker. Klay thrives in GS's ball movement screen/cut/spot up offense. He's a perfect system player. Their games aren't even similar outside of good spot up shooting.


We can agree to disagree then.

Klay averaged 3 assists per 36 min his rookie year, Kuz was at 2.1. Klay was at 2.0 raw apg his rookie year, Kuz at 1.8. Statistically, Klay is better at creating for others.

Kuz is better at creating for himself but I donít think itís something he should be asked to rely on. They both are far more efficient when being set up for and not being a primary playmaker.

Iím not saying they are the same player. Iím saying they fit in similar roles on a contender and Kuz could reach the caliber of offensive player Klay is if put in that role on a contender. Keep in mind, Klay is a perennial all-star and 2 time champion with another ring in his near future.


Klay is a better defender no doubt about it lol but also the point we are trying to make is that Kuzma can be a one in one player he's already working on his handles and he knows he needs to get better at that and defense and he's putting in the work to do so. I just believe we are being caution yes but he is capable of being a go to player and to say he's just a 6th or 7th or even 8th man is disrespectful.The kid has an offensive package that is rare not just for a rookie but a NBA player all together once he tighten up his handle and add strength who can stop him?
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 8:38 am    Post subject:

Lakers great32 wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
trablos wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
Lakers great32 wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
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If hoping a player does better than I expect him to is hating then Iíve been hating on every Lakers player since I was born.


Quote:
Unfortunately, it doesn't come off as genuine.


I can genuinely root for Kuzma without setting unrealistic expectations. I just compared him to Klay Thompson, apparently thatís not enough.


Klay Thompson is really Just a shooter albeit one of the greatest shooters of all times with some defense his offensive game is not a divers as kuzma


A much better shooter. Kuzma is a better finisher. Similar lack of ability to break down a defense and create for themselves and others. Both thrive as off-ball scorers. Not to mention Klay is a MUCH better defender.

We can disagree, but Iím not a hater for thinking he wonít be a better offensive player than Klay and acknowledging that isnít me rooting against Kuz.

This isn't even remotely true. Kuz's value is that he can create for himself, and is also an underrated playmaker. Klay thrives in GS's ball movement screen/cut/spot up offense. He's a perfect system player. Their games aren't even similar outside of good spot up shooting.


We can agree to disagree then.

Klay averaged 3 assists per 36 min his rookie year, Kuz was at 2.1. Klay was at 2.0 raw apg his rookie year, Kuz at 1.8. Statistically, Klay is better at creating for others.

Kuz is better at creating for himself but I donít think itís something he should be asked to rely on. They both are far more efficient when being set up for and not being a primary playmaker.

Iím not saying they are the same player. Iím saying they fit in similar roles on a contender and Kuz could reach the caliber of offensive player Klay is if put in that role on a contender. Keep in mind, Klay is a perennial all-star and 2 time champion with another ring in his near future.


Klay is a better defender no doubt about it lol but also the point we are trying to make is that Kuzma can be a one in one player he's already working on his handles and he knows he needs to get better at that and defense and he's putting in the work to do so. I just believe we are being caution yes but he is capable of being a go to player and to say he's just a 6th or 7th or even 8th man is disrespectful.The kid has an offensive package that is rare not just for a rookie but a NBA player all together once he tighten up his handle and add strength who can stop him?


I dont care how many assist they avg as rookie. Klay isnt better tha. Kuz at creating shots for others. Better player yes better defender yes. But if we're talking shot creation as rookies Kyle is betterat that.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 8:44 am    Post subject:

Lakers great32 wrote:
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If hoping a player does better than I expect him to is hating then Iíve been hating on every Lakers player since I was born.


Quote:
Unfortunately, it doesn't come off as genuine.


I can genuinely root for Kuzma without setting unrealistic expectations. I just compared him to Klay Thompson, apparently thatís not enough.


Klay Thompson is really Just a shooter albeit one of the greatest shooters of all times with some defense his offensive game is not a divers as kuzma.Also they ran the offense through Klay when curry was out a lot he ran through screens and all that like Reggie Miller shooters that had the offense ran through them.


Klay is a known lock down defender for his team across the NBA. He can also stretch the floor and shoots a nice J. Plays with an under control pace.

I like the comp - it's mostly due to similar quick release - but Kuz isn't there defensively yet.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 8:59 am    Post subject:

So is it true? Was Kuzma a No Call No Show for a meet & greet in LA on Mother's Day while out with his boys playing paintball? People on social media seemed pissed.

Sounds a bit sketch to me, like he was never involved, but who knows. I feel bad for the kids, but not so much for the parents and definitely not for the autograph and memorabilia sellers.

Besides President Obama, not sure if there's anyone else I'd wait in line for, then pay extra for a cell phone picture with.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:09 am    Post subject:

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So is it true? Was Kuzma a No Call No Show for a meet & greet in LA on Mother's Day while out with his boys playing paintball? People on social media seemed pissed.

Sounds a bit sketch to me, like he was never involved, but who knows. I feel bad for the kids, but not so much for the parents and definitely not for the autograph and memorabilia sellers.

Besides President Obama, not sure if there's anyone else I'd wait in line for, then pay extra for a cell phone picture with.

Itís true it was on Saturday people are pissed. Hopefully he doesnít go down clarkson road
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:21 am    Post subject:

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So is it true? Was Kuzma a No Call No Show for a meet & greet in LA on Mother's Day while out with his boys playing paintball? People on social media seemed pissed.

Sounds a bit sketch to me, like he was never involved, but who knows. I feel bad for the kids, but not so much for the parents and definitely not for the autograph and memorabilia sellers.

Besides President Obama, not sure if there's anyone else I'd wait in line for, then pay extra for a cell phone picture with.

Itís true it was on Saturday people are pissed. Hopefully he doesnít go down clarkson road


Thats my worst fears, they can find the talent but the mentality goes down the drain due to LA and Lakers status
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 10:10 am    Post subject:

Car54 wrote:
Lakers great32 wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
trablos wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
Lakers great32 wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
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If hoping a player does better than I expect him to is hating then Iíve been hating on every Lakers player since I was born.


Quote:
Unfortunately, it doesn't come off as genuine.


I can genuinely root for Kuzma without setting unrealistic expectations. I just compared him to Klay Thompson, apparently thatís not enough.


Klay Thompson is really Just a shooter albeit one of the greatest shooters of all times with some defense his offensive game is not a divers as kuzma


A much better shooter. Kuzma is a better finisher. Similar lack of ability to break down a defense and create for themselves and others. Both thrive as off-ball scorers. Not to mention Klay is a MUCH better defender.

We can disagree, but Iím not a hater for thinking he wonít be a better offensive player than Klay and acknowledging that isnít me rooting against Kuz.

This isn't even remotely true. Kuz's value is that he can create for himself, and is also an underrated playmaker. Klay thrives in GS's ball movement screen/cut/spot up offense. He's a perfect system player. Their games aren't even similar outside of good spot up shooting.


We can agree to disagree then.

Klay averaged 3 assists per 36 min his rookie year, Kuz was at 2.1. Klay was at 2.0 raw apg his rookie year, Kuz at 1.8. Statistically, Klay is better at creating for others.

Kuz is better at creating for himself but I donít think itís something he should be asked to rely on. They both are far more efficient when being set up for and not being a primary playmaker.

Iím not saying they are the same player. Iím saying they fit in similar roles on a contender and Kuz could reach the caliber of offensive player Klay is if put in that role on a contender. Keep in mind, Klay is a perennial all-star and 2 time champion with another ring in his near future.


Klay is a better defender no doubt about it lol but also the point we are trying to make is that Kuzma can be a one in one player he's already working on his handles and he knows he needs to get better at that and defense and he's putting in the work to do so. I just believe we are being caution yes but he is capable of being a go to player and to say he's just a 6th or 7th or even 8th man is disrespectful.The kid has an offensive package that is rare not just for a rookie but a NBA player all together once he tighten up his handle and add strength who can stop him?


I dont care how many assist they avg as rookie. Klay isnt better tha. Kuz at creating shots for others. Better player yes better defender yes. But if we're talking shot creation as rookies Kyle is betterat that.


If you donít care about facts you can claim whatever you want. Itís just a claim that lacks any credibility.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 10:13 am    Post subject:

Kava wrote:
Lakers great32 wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
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If hoping a player does better than I expect him to is hating then Iíve been hating on every Lakers player since I was born.


Quote:
Unfortunately, it doesn't come off as genuine.


I can genuinely root for Kuzma without setting unrealistic expectations. I just compared him to Klay Thompson, apparently thatís not enough.


Klay Thompson is really Just a shooter albeit one of the greatest shooters of all times with some defense his offensive game is not a divers as kuzma.Also they ran the offense through Klay when curry was out a lot he ran through screens and all that like Reggie Miller shooters that had the offense ran through them.


Klay is a known lock down defender for his team across the NBA. He can also stretch the floor and shoots a nice J. Plays with an under control pace.

I like the comp - it's mostly due to similar quick release - but Kuz isn't there defensively yet.


Both attack close outs well and struggle to penetrate set defenses, are assisted on a lot of their shots, and good spot up shooters.

I never thought Iíd be called a hater for saying he could reach Klay level impact on offense. Thatís LG for ya.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 10:16 am    Post subject:

trablos wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
Lakers great32 wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
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If hoping a player does better than I expect him to is hating then Iíve been hating on every Lakers player since I was born.


Quote:
Unfortunately, it doesn't come off as genuine.


I can genuinely root for Kuzma without setting unrealistic expectations. I just compared him to Klay Thompson, apparently thatís not enough.


Klay Thompson is really Just a shooter albeit one of the greatest shooters of all times with some defense his offensive game is not a divers as kuzma


A much better shooter. Kuzma is a better finisher. Similar lack of ability to break down a defense and create for themselves and others. Both thrive as off-ball scorers. Not to mention Klay is a MUCH better defender.

We can disagree, but Iím not a hater for thinking he wonít be a better offensive player than Klay and acknowledging that isnít me rooting against Kuz.

This isn't even remotely true. Kuz's value is that he can create for himself, and is also an underrated playmaker. Klay thrives in GS's ball movement screen/cut/spot up offense. He's a perfect system player. Their games aren't even similar outside of good spot up shooting.


Agree, Klay is known as a top defender, Kuzma is not.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 10:17 am    Post subject:

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AFireInside619 wrote:
So is it true? Was Kuzma a No Call No Show for a meet & greet in LA on Mother's Day while out with his boys playing paintball? People on social media seemed pissed.

Sounds a bit sketch to me, like he was never involved, but who knows. I feel bad for the kids, but not so much for the parents and definitely not for the autograph and memorabilia sellers.

Besides President Obama, not sure if there's anyone else I'd wait in line for, then pay extra for a cell phone picture with.

Itís true it was on Saturday people are pissed. Hopefully he doesnít go down clarkson road


Social media is terrible. Judge this kid by his play on the court. I could not care less what he does off of it.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 10:18 am    Post subject:

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So is it true? Was Kuzma a No Call No Show for a meet & greet in LA on Mother's Day while out with his boys playing paintball? People on social media seemed pissed.

Sounds a bit sketch to me, like he was never involved, but who knows. I feel bad for the kids, but not so much for the parents and definitely not for the autograph and memorabilia sellers.

Besides President Obama, not sure if there's anyone else I'd wait in line for, then pay extra for a cell phone picture with.


It's true according to the accounts of people that work there and the ones that waited for hours to see him. Not a good look for Kuz. Speaks highly of his character or lack thereof.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 10:22 am    Post subject:

It's funny how people go right to blaming Kuzma for skipping out on what would've been a contractual obligation to play paintball, and worry about him going Hollywood. As though there aren't other explanations that make more sense.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 10:24 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 10:35 am    Post subject:

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It's funny how people go right to blaming Kuzma for skipping out on what would've been a contractual obligation to play paintball, and worry about him going Hollywood. As though there aren't other explanations that make more sense.


Yeah, sport fans criticizing what players do off the court is always fascinating to me. It's as if we feel we know these players as people and they have to live their lives according to our standards.

A kid from Flint Michigan is enjoying life in ways he never dreamed of and a bunch of people at home on the internet criticize him for it.

This is his most recent re-tweet: https://twitter.com/SLAMonline/status/996015984531136512
(he's fine guys)

Also, my friend spoke to him on the phone during the season because Kuz is a fan of my friend's training and YT series. My friend said he 'He's chill but also you can sense he grew up hood. He wants it though and is focused."

An interesting story about Kuzma...

Close to almost a year ago, my friends (one of them being the same guy who spoke to him on the phone) were invited to the NBA combine to document it. (They're both skills trainers). They came back and I asked who impressed you the most. They said, "No one really looked that good, but this one guy Kyle Kuzma. I hope the Lakers draft him. Whoever gets him is getting a steal."

I had no idea who Kyle was (I don't watch much college ball). They called it and whenever I see them I remind them how well they assessed him at the combine.

These hoopers work really hard so they can also enjoy these off-seasons. I'm not worried about Kyle.
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