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Tatum is that much better than Kuz when you consider both sides of the ball


Regular season Tatum? Or playoff Tatum?


Tatum had a better regular season as well, not 7 points better. But, the playoffs should be weighted a bit..tougher competition
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Tatum is that much better than Kuz when you consider both sides of the ball


On the offensive end I think its a toss up. Kuz is a hell of a scorer, yes on a bad team but that also means without an 'elite' 1 option to play off of.

Defensively its not a competition.

The advanced stats point to Tatum and the playoffs are another competition but Kuzma can play, lets give it another season to play out
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Tatum is that much better than Kuz when you consider both sides of the ball


On the offensive end I think its a toss up. Kuz is a hell of a scorer, yes on a bad team but that also means without an 'elite' 1 option to play off of.

Defensively its not a competition.

The advanced stats point to Tatum and the playoffs are another competition but Kuzma can play, lets give it another season to play out


To my eye Tatum is a step above Kuzí skill, and that was highlighted by him being really good in the playoffs. For example, Kuz doesnít really dribble well(itís a good PF handle), Tatumís footwork is also better attacking from the midrange ,along with his midrange jumper.

I would have Tatum +3 or 3.5 offensively, and +4 defensively.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:07 am    Post subject:

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Tatum is that much better than Kuz when you consider both sides of the ball


On the offensive end I think its a toss up. Kuz is a hell of a scorer, yes on a bad team but that also means without an 'elite' 1 option to play off of.

Defensively its not a competition.

The advanced stats point to Tatum and the playoffs are another competition but Kuzma can play, lets give it another season to play out


To my eye Tatum is a step above Kuzí skill, and that was highlighted by him being really good in the playoffs. For example, Kuz doesnít really dribble well(itís a good PF handle), Tatumís footwork is also better attacking from the midrange ,along with his midrange jumper.

I would have Tatum +3 or 3.5 offensively, and +4 defensively.


Kuzma wasnt in the playoffs and as such, you've reached that conclusion in the absence of comparable data.
Lebron beats Durant in passing and driving to the rim - in every other offensive facet of the game KD is better...by this I mean Kuzma, while not having the tightest handle etc doesnt need to go blow for blow in each category. He has his strengths also, footwork being one, though in different situations and moving without the ball.

Im on the Tatum bandwagon, believe that! Kuzma's skill level though is incredible, and I cant disregard it just yet v Tatum. Lets see the season play out and if it does in your favour, i'll cede.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:57 am    Post subject:

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Tatum is that much better than Kuz when you consider both sides of the ball


On the offensive end I think its a toss up. Kuz is a hell of a scorer, yes on a bad team but that also means without an 'elite' 1 option to play off of.

Defensively its not a competition.

The advanced stats point to Tatum and the playoffs are another competition but Kuzma can play, lets give it another season to play out


To my eye Tatum is a step above Kuzí skill, and that was highlighted by him being really good in the playoffs. For example, Kuz doesnít really dribble well(itís a good PF handle), Tatumís footwork is also better attacking from the midrange ,along with his midrange jumper.

I would have Tatum +3 or 3.5 offensively, and +4 defensively.


Kuzma wasnt in the playoffs and as such, you've reached that conclusion in the absence of comparable data.
Lebron beats Durant in passing and driving to the rim - in every other offensive facet of the game KD is better...by this I mean Kuzma, while not having the tightest handle etc doesnt need to go blow for blow in each category. He has his strengths also, footwork being one, though in different situations and moving without the ball.

Im on the Tatum bandwagon, believe that! Kuzma's skill level though is incredible, and I cant disregard it just yet v Tatum. Lets see the season play out and if it does in your favour, i'll cede.


I didnít mean to put their comparison in the vacuum of attribute sliders, but that is actually how the ratings go.
In the more functional sense óóó Tatum is way better at creating for himself off the dribble..because Kuzma doesnít have close to that handle.
Even their individual player comps for me, highlight whoís the better player ó Kuz still has a way to go to be able to create like prime-Gallo , while Tatum looks like heíll be the last healthy season of Kobe , with better defense

I like Kuz a lot. But he didnít show star potential to me last season, mainly because he was pedestrian at best with his handle creating. He can still be a couple time allstar. He might actually improve to being the best 3pt shooting bigman in the league, thatís what his ceiling potential is based around IMO. He could score 2nd option PPG one day like KLove in CLE, but Tatum could be a legit go-to scorer - thatís two tiers different to me
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:57 am    Post subject:

For Kuzma to be compared to Tatum is a real big deal. Tatum was the #4 pick in the draft and Kuzma was picked at 27.

Both guys did great and look like they have a great future. Tatum is more of a 3 who can play the 4 and Kuzma is more of a 4 who can play the 3.

Both guys seem to have taken full advantage of the off season to improve so next year should be fun to see their development. I also will be interested in seeing how Kuz plays with some established Vet.

What I am confident of is that Kuz worked really hard and improved his game this off season. I expect him to take a big leap but with all the depth I am not sure he will featured as much as he was last year. So his stats while probably more efficient may not go up that much.
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At #24 of the TOP 60 DIMES from the 2017-18 season... @kylekuzma of the @Lakers!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:14 pm    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
PauPau wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
PauPau wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Tatum is that much better than Kuz when you consider both sides of the ball


On the offensive end I think its a toss up. Kuz is a hell of a scorer, yes on a bad team but that also means without an 'elite' 1 option to play off of.

Defensively its not a competition.

The advanced stats point to Tatum and the playoffs are another competition but Kuzma can play, lets give it another season to play out


To my eye Tatum is a step above Kuzí skill, and that was highlighted by him being really good in the playoffs. For example, Kuz doesnít really dribble well(itís a good PF handle), Tatumís footwork is also better attacking from the midrange ,along with his midrange jumper.

I would have Tatum +3 or 3.5 offensively, and +4 defensively.


Kuzma wasnt in the playoffs and as such, you've reached that conclusion in the absence of comparable data.
Lebron beats Durant in passing and driving to the rim - in every other offensive facet of the game KD is better...by this I mean Kuzma, while not having the tightest handle etc doesnt need to go blow for blow in each category. He has his strengths also, footwork being one, though in different situations and moving without the ball.

Im on the Tatum bandwagon, believe that! Kuzma's skill level though is incredible, and I cant disregard it just yet v Tatum. Lets see the season play out and if it does in your favour, i'll cede.


I didnít mean to put their comparison in the vacuum of attribute sliders, but that is actually how the ratings go.
In the more functional sense óóó Tatum is way better at creating for himself off the dribble..because Kuzma doesnít have close to that handle.
Even their individual player comps for me, highlight whoís the better player ó Kuz still has a way to go to be able to create like prime-Gallo , while Tatum looks like heíll be the last healthy season of Kobe , with better defense

I like Kuz a lot. But he didnít show star potential to me last season, mainly because he was pedestrian at best with his handle creating. He can still be a couple time allstar. He might actually improve to being the best 3pt shooting bigman in the league, thatís what his ceiling potential is based around IMO. He could score 2nd option PPG one day like KLove in CLE, but Tatum could be a legit go-to scorer - thatís two tiers different to me


Fun fact, Kuz is a 91 percentile iso scorer, Tatum is at 43.1 percentile. I agree that Tatum was a better ball handler last year. But through a combination of decent ball handling, quickness for his size, pump fakes, footwork plus a bevy of ways to finish once he's inside the paint, Kuz to me has proven to be the better one-on-one scorer.

Offensively, I give Kuz a slight edge over Tatum. Defensively is where Tatum's a league above Kuz. Tatum's got great natural intincts on that end and could become one of the best 2 way players in the years to come. But I think Kuz has recognized his deficiencies as a defender and we'll see whether or not he improves next season.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:18 pm    Post subject:

https://twitter.com/Lakers/status/1027690994437971969

Is that Kuz watching Lebron at the 34s mark?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:25 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
https://twitter.com/Lakers/status/1027690994437971969

Is that Kuz watching Lebron at the 34s mark?


He also appeared at the 20 second mark. Such a camera whore. Just had to be there on Lebron's first official workout video
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:26 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
https://twitter.com/Lakers/status/1027690994437971969

Is that Kuz watching Lebron at the 34s mark?


yup. kcp bi and kuz were all at the facility with bron.

kuz and bi foresure. I think i saw KCP haha. In one of the videos
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:44 pm    Post subject:

Lakesh0wtime wrote:
epak wrote:
https://twitter.com/Lakers/status/1027690994437971969

Is that Kuz watching Lebron at the 34s mark?


yup. kcp bi and kuz were all at the facility with bron.

kuz and bi foresure. I think i saw KCP haha. In one of the videos


I think I saw Zu on the hoop at the other side around the 40 second mark too
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:54 pm    Post subject:

https://i.redd.it/ml8z2ht9f6f11.jpg

Lebron knows. Kuzma starting confirmed.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:03 pm    Post subject:

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https://i.redd.it/ml8z2ht9f6f11.jpg

Lebron knows. Kuzma starting confirmed.


That would be hilarious if it happened. Rondo's 9M, KCP's 12M both coming off the bench. Then of course we still have Deng's 18M. That's 39M sitting on the bench
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https://i.redd.it/ml8z2ht9f6f11.jpg

Lebron knows. Kuzma starting confirmed.


That would be hilarious if it happened. Rondo's 9M, KCP's 12M both coming off the bench. Then of course we still have Deng's 18M. That's 39M sitting on the bench


That is more of a gold bench than a purple bench
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https://i.redd.it/ml8z2ht9f6f11.jpg

Lebron knows. Kuzma starting confirmed.


That would be hilarious if it happened. Rondo's 9M, KCP's 12M both coming off the bench. Then of course we still have Deng's 18M. That's 39M sitting on the bench


Talent over money man. Plus itís also about developing the young core more than one year mercenaries.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:17 pm    Post subject:

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https://i.redd.it/ml8z2ht9f6f11.jpg

Lebron knows. Kuzma starting confirmed.


That would be hilarious if it happened. Rondo's 9M, KCP's 12M both coming off the bench. Then of course we still have Deng's 18M. That's 39M sitting on the bench


Talent over money man. Plus itís also about developing the young core more than one year mercenaries.


There's nothing I'd like more than for Kuz to start next season but I don't see any way KCP's coming off the bench. KCP's actually a pretty decent guard. And BI will most likely start as well so that leaves Kuz as the 6th man unfortunately. Hopefully, I'm wrong and BI improves his perimeter defense enough for him to be able to slide into the 2 position and Kuz gets to play 3 or 4.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:37 pm    Post subject:

for some strange reason Kuzma was never the first or second option last year on offense ,so to say that Tatum numbers are considered better because Kuzma was on a losing team is false.I agree Tatum has a awesome skill set as a iso player but Kuzma can be that given a chance.Tatum and Kuzma goes about scoring in different ways Kuzma doesn't give defenses time to react he's just make such quick decisions which leaves defenses on there hills ,Tatum has that iso kobe skill set take you off the dribble footwork in the post etc Kuzma doesn't have the handles that Tatum has but he is really skilled as well on all 3 levels .
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:38 pm    Post subject:

Kuz looking slim like he can play some SF.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:46 pm    Post subject:

KCP and Hart both off the bench would just lead to a confusing (and unnecessary) imbalance with the rest of the bench; especially with Lance being there too.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:47 pm    Post subject:

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KCP and Hart both off the bench would just lead to a confusing (and unnecessary) imbalance with the rest of the bench; especially with Lance being there too.


Not really
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KCP and Hart both off the bench would just lead to a confusing (and unnecessary) imbalance with the rest of the bench; especially with Lance being there too.


Not really

Not your strongest argument, Jim.
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Judah wrote:
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Judah wrote:
KCP and Hart both off the bench would just lead to a confusing (and unnecessary) imbalance with the rest of the bench; especially with Lance being there too.


Not really

Not your strongest argument, Jim.


Still not really
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Jesusdelonla wrote:
Judah wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
Judah wrote:
KCP and Hart both off the bench would just lead to a confusing (and unnecessary) imbalance with the rest of the bench; especially with Lance being there too.


Not really

Not your strongest argument, Jim.


Still not really

Well, hey....who can argue with such sound reasoning? You clearly know your stuff
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