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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:23 pm    Post subject:

Anyone else feel like Kuz has a serious shot at being 6th man this year?

- LeBron feels like the smart money for MVP
- Brandon can win MIP if he becomes what we all hope
- And if we have a major turn around and win 52+ games, Luke could be in the COY convo

Now obviously all. of those won't happen but I would not be surprised to see 2 of those happening.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:49 pm    Post subject:

2019 wrote:
Anyone else feel like Kuz has a serious shot at being 6th man this year?

- LeBron feels like the smart money for MVP
- Brandon can win MIP if he becomes what we all hope
- And if we have a major turn around and win 52+ games, Luke could be in the COY convo

Now obviously all. of those won't happen but I would not be surprised to see 2 of those happening.

If the Lakers can at least get home court, Kuz winning 6th man of the year (if he does come off the bench) is probably the most likely out of all of those scenarios.

- Coach of the Year usually seems to go to the coach of whatever team has the best record, or at least the best in their conference. I could see Brown winning it if Philly is first in the league or in the East.

- MVP is winnable for LeBron, but I doubt it if the Lakers aren't first or second in the West.

- I'm not sure how winnable MIP would be for BI since he's gained a relatively strong following in the media (led by Doris Burke). If he averages 20 ppg (which is doubtful) people might look at it as him just taking the next step in his development or whatever.

- But I wouldn't be surprised if Kuz averages the most points for players off the bench, though. If he does and the Lakers, again, at least get home court, he could very well win it. Same goes for BI if he's the one who comes off the bench.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:04 pm    Post subject:

Judah wrote:
2019 wrote:
Anyone else feel like Kuz has a serious shot at being 6th man this year?

- LeBron feels like the smart money for MVP
- Brandon can win MIP if he becomes what we all hope
- And if we have a major turn around and win 52+ games, Luke could be in the COY convo

Now obviously all. of those won't happen but I would not be surprised to see 2 of those happening.

If the Lakers can at least get home court, Kuz winning 6th man of the year (if he does come off the bench) is probably the most likely out of all of those scenarios.

- Coach of the Year usually seems to go to the coach of whatever team has the best record, or at least the best in their conference. I could see Brown winning it if Philly is first in the league or in the East.

- MVP is winnable for LeBron, but I doubt it if the Lakers aren't first or second in the West.

- I'm not sure how winnable MIP would be for BI since he's gained a relatively strong following in the media (led by Doris Burke). If he averages 20 ppg (which is doubtful) people might look at it as him just taking the next step in his development or whatever.

- But I wouldn't be surprised if Kuz averages the most points for players off the bench, though. If he does and the Lakers, again, at least get home court, he could very well win it. Same goes for BI if he's the one who comes off the bench.


Personally, I think both Kuz (and BI) is/are right around 20ppg. Kuz is going to get starter mins and if he picks up where he left off last year, I think he's almost a shoe-in for top 3 in voting.

BI still doesn't get the national media love outside of Doris so if people saw a kid who all of sudden looks the part of an all star, he could be a contender for the award. I think this one is the least likely too.

Luke winning it feels like a huge reach unless we're top 3 in the West/NBA. I would put early money on Brad Stevens as they'll probably have the best record in the NBA. Nonetheless, Luke has a shot if we hit our ceiling of success this year- which feels good even if it's just that.

LeBron, IMO, wins it when we're in the top 4 of the West. I can't think of anyone else as of now that has a situation better suited for him to win it. Other people who come to mind for the award: Davis, Embiid, Kyrie, Dame, Westbrook, Kawhi.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:50 pm    Post subject:

He feels like not just a good, but a GREAT fit with LeBron.

I love his 3 pt shooting and ability to make plays off the dribble or finish on the break.

His D is not as bad as advertised either.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:09 pm    Post subject:

LakerLanny wrote:
He feels like not just a good, but a GREAT fit with LeBron.

I love his 3 pt shooting and ability to make plays off the dribble or finish on the break.

His D is not as bad as advertised either.


I agree. his shooting and ability to attack a closeout..as well as play in transition. it's going to be amazing playing off Bron.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:26 pm    Post subject:

LakerLanny wrote:
He feels like not just a good, but a GREAT fit with LeBron.

I love his 3 pt shooting and ability to make plays off the dribble or finish on the break.

His D is not as bad as advertised either.


I think he probably was just as good a defender as BI anyway.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:40 pm    Post subject:

My feeling is Kuzma will be Lebronís new BFF. Guys like Kuzma fit on any lineup with his size, skill set and play style, and a total upgrade over most if not all off ball players Lebron has ever had in his career.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:08 pm    Post subject:

24Legend007 wrote:
LakerLanny wrote:
He feels like not just a good, but a GREAT fit with LeBron.

I love his 3 pt shooting and ability to make plays off the dribble or finish on the break.

His D is not as bad as advertised either.


I think he probably was just as good a defender as BI anyway.


no he wasn't
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:25 pm    Post subject:

Megaton wrote:
My feeling is Kuzma will be Lebronís new BFF. Guys like Kuzma fit on any lineup with his size, skill set and play style, and a total upgrade over most if not all off ball players Lebron has ever had in his career.

Wade? Bosh?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:29 pm    Post subject:

Will he be our klove?
Rather he be our bosh.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:52 pm    Post subject:

I like kuzma too but you guys are getting way ahead of yourselves
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:08 pm    Post subject:

defense wrote:
I like kuzma too but you guys are getting way ahead of yourselves

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:51 pm    Post subject:

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I like kuzma too but you guys are getting way ahead of yourselves


I think fans are getting way ahead of themselves with every sophomore besides Don and Ben.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:41 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
defense wrote:
I like kuzma too but you guys are getting way ahead of yourselves


I think fans are getting way ahead of themselves with every sophomore besides Don and Ben.


Compared to Lonzo and BI...Kuz is super underrated around here.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:50 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
defense wrote:
I like kuzma too but you guys are getting way ahead of yourselves


I think fans are getting way ahead of themselves with every sophomore besides Don and Ben.


Ben is not a sophomore...
And yes the Don hype is unreal...
I see elements of a poor man's Wade... People act like he is prime Wade vs Mavs in the Finals already.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:43 am    Post subject:

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Megaton wrote:
My feeling is Kuzma will be Lebronís new BFF. Guys like Kuzma fit on any lineup with his size, skill set and play style, and a total upgrade over most if not all off ball players Lebron has ever had in his career.

Wade? Bosh?


ďOff ball playerĒ

Neither of those guys were or ever off ball players. Guys like JR Smith, Ray Allen, Mike Miller, Kyle Korver, etc are.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:49 am    Post subject:

Kuzma
Greater than 30mins - 42 times & Scored 20+ points 25 times.
Less than 30mins - 35 times & Scored less than 20 points 52 times.

BI
Greater than 30mins - 43 times & Scored 20+ points 16 times.
Less than 30mins - 16 times & Scored less than 20 points 43 times.

What im getting at here is Kuzma is the better scorer. Who the better player will be overall is hard to tell.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:23 am    Post subject:

I'm not into the "Twilight" like saga of who I "love" more, BI or Kuzma. I'm glad we have BOTH players, and I hope they become very good starters for our team, and both get the opportunity to win rings here.

Kuzma is my favorite, if for no other reason than he played in college 4 years, didn't play for a big time school like Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, etc. He wasn't a lottery pick, but has worked his tail off, shows a lot of offensive skill for a young player, but also seems humble about it. He has already far exceeded his draft value projection in only his first year.

I think I would like BI as much IF his first year in the league was as good as Kuzma's. I basically see Kuzma being about a full year ahead of BI professionally, because he came into the league ready to exceed what he did in college.

I worry though that Lebron is going to eat to much into Kuzma's playing time, and unless Kuzma is playing the bulk of the backup SF/PF minutes, I don't think he will produce enough of the stats to win the 6th man award.

With BI starting next to Lebron, this is the year he should really exceed Kuzma, and prove that #2 pick was worth it.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:22 am    Post subject:

lonzobryant wrote:
epak wrote:
defense wrote:
I like kuzma too but you guys are getting way ahead of yourselves


I think fans are getting way ahead of themselves with every sophomore besides Don and Ben.


Compared to Lonzo and BI...Kuz is super underrated around here.


Considering age I think Kuz is rated pretty well here.
Some have him high, some have him low, but I believe most see him as a quality starter (not that he would start on this team at this time).
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:27 am    Post subject:

PauPau wrote:
Kuzma
Greater than 30mins - 42 times & Scored 20+ points 25 times.
Less than 30mins - 35 times & Scored less than 20 points 52 times.

BI
Greater than 30mins - 43 times & Scored 20+ points 16 times.
Less than 30mins - 16 times & Scored less than 20 points 43 times.

What im getting at here is Kuzma is the better scorer. Who the better player will be overall is hard to tell.


Interesting, this confirms what Iíve thought all along.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:27 am    Post subject:

1ngr4m wrote:
24Legend007 wrote:
LakerLanny wrote:
He feels like not just a good, but a GREAT fit with LeBron.

I love his 3 pt shooting and ability to make plays off the dribble or finish on the break.

His D is not as bad as advertised either.


I think he probably was just as good a defender as BI anyway.


no he wasn't


True, and Ingram wasnít impressive defensively. Against smaller players they did decent but both got bullied by bigs. That will be an issue the FO will need to fix next offseason.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:28 am    Post subject:

lonzobryant wrote:
epak wrote:
defense wrote:
I like kuzma too but you guys are getting way ahead of yourselves


I think fans are getting way ahead of themselves with every sophomore besides Don and Ben.


Compared to Lonzo and BI...Kuz is super underrated around here.


Heís also 3 years older.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:30 am    Post subject:

PauPau wrote:
Kuzma
Greater than 30mins - 42 times & Scored 20+ points 25 times.
Less than 30mins - 35 times & Scored less than 20 points 52 times.

BI
Greater than 30mins - 43 times & Scored 20+ points 16 times.
Less than 30mins - 16 times & Scored less than 20 points 43 times.

What im getting at here is Kuzma is the better scorer. Who the better player will be overall is hard to tell.


Are those numbers right?
Played less than 30 mins 35 times but scored less than 20 52 of those 35 times? What sort of wizardry is this?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:35 am    Post subject:

That people here are underestimating Kuz is an understatement. Here are 2 of the most common comps for Kuz.

Danilo Gallinari 22 yrs old. 3rd year in the league, starter:

15.6 ppg, 4.9 rebs, 1.7 apg, 33.9 mpg
FG 41%, 3pt 35%, FT 86%

Antawn Jamison 23 yrs old. Sophomore, starter:

19.6 ppg, 8.3 rebs, 2.3 apg, 36.2 mpg
FG 47%, 3pt 28.6%, FT 61%

Kyle Kuzma 22 yrs old. Rookie, off the bench:

16.1 ppg, 6.3 rebs, 1.8 apg, 31.2 mpg
FG 45%, 3pt 36.6%, FT 70%

Kuz as a starter:

18.8 ppg, 7.2 rebs, 1.9 apg, 36.5 mpg
FG 44.6%, 3pt 39%, FT 72.5%

He's already better than Gallinari and Jamison at the same age as a rookie while those 2 already had a couple of NBA seasons and NBA training under their belt.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:16 am    Post subject:

Killakobe81 wrote:
epak wrote:
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I like kuzma too but you guys are getting way ahead of yourselves


I think fans are getting way ahead of themselves with every sophomore besides Don and Ben.


Ben is not a sophomore...
And yes the Don hype is unreal...
I see elements of a poor man's Wade... People act like he is prime Wade vs Mavs in the Finals already.

I mean the man went nuclear against OKC and plays fearless. But I see more Iverson in him than I do Wade.
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