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scoobs
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 Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:59 am Post subject: How Lakers Could Trade For AD and sign a Kyrie in the offseason. |
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The purpose of this thread is to show how the Lakers could trade for AD this season and then sign Kyrie (or a different 30% max player) in the offseason. The Lakers would have to gut the team to go this route, but it would get them 3 max players, which has been proven to be an effective method in building championship teams. In addition, i'm sure Lebron would prefer to be playing along side AD and Kyrie. This would be a lot easier if we didnt have Deng's 4,990,000 of dead money counting against our cap, but it is what it is.
1. Trade Kuzma, Ball, Ingram, Zubac, KCP and 2019 1st for AD, Johnson(expiring) and Clark(expiring).
2. Trade Beasley, Bonga and 2019 2nd round pick to Miami for Ellington. This gets rid of Bonga's guaranteed 2019 salary of 1,663,861. This also gets us a shooter who is expiring that could help us this season, in Ellington.
3. Sign Carmelo Anthony or any available free agent power forward, because we would need help there for now.
4. Trade Hart and Wagner for future picks. We shouldn't have a problem doing that. They are both shooters on bargain contracts with good upside.
5. Waive Svi.
This puts the teams 2019 payroll at:
1. James $37,436,858
2. AD 27,093,019
3. Hold 888,928
4. Hold 888,928
5. Hold 888,928
6. Hold 888,928
7. Hold 888,928
8. Hold 888,928
9. Hold 888,928
10. Hold 888,928
11. Hold 888,928
12. Open Roster Spot-free agent salary will go here
13. Deng 4,990,000
Total payroll $76,631,306
Total available cap room (assuming $108,000,000 salary cap): $31,368,694
NBA max contract for 7-10 year vet (Kyrie) $32,400,000.
So Kyrie, or another 7-10 year vet would have to take $1,031,306 less per year to sign with the Lakers. That is with the Lakers doing everything they could possibly do to afford them. That is not much of a pay cut, I think it is doable. Im thinking the Hart/Wagner trade might have to be done after the free agent, such as Kyrie has already agreed to a deal with the Lakers. |
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Are we playing 3 on 5? 
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Are we playing 3 on 5? |
You could put me at center if you want and we still might win 50 games. |
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Black20Ice
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| I know Kyrie won a championship with James but he demands the ball too much. This team needs a pass first, shoot second PG. Especially, if Davis becomes a Laker. |
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scoobs
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| scoobs wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Are we playing 3 on 5? |
You could put me at center if you want and we still might win 50 games. |
On a serious note, we would be in position to sign the best minimum contract free agents available AND we would have the room exception at our disposal. McGee, Rondo, Ellington, etc. could be brought back. |
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| scoobs wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Are we playing 3 on 5? |
You could put me at center if you want and we still might win 50 games. |
On a serious note, we would be in position to sign the best minimum contract free agents available AND we would have the room exception at our disposal. McGee, Rondo, Ellington, etc. could be brought back. |
None of those names are minimum contracts. |
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| scoobs wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Are we playing 3 on 5? |
You could put me at center if you want and we still might win 50 games. |
On a serious note, we would be in position to sign the best minimum contract free agents available AND we would have the room exception at our disposal. McGee, Rondo, Ellington, etc. could be brought back. |
I'm not enthused about pairing those 3 to be honest. Who will take the ceremonial Bosh/Love role? Ironically it would have to be LBJ who would be turning 35 this December.
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scoobs
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Are we playing 3 on 5? |
You could put me at center if you want and we still might win 50 games. |
On a serious note, we would be in position to sign the best minimum contract free agents available AND we would have the room exception at our disposal. McGee, Rondo, Ellington, etc. could be brought back. |
I'm not enthused about pairing those 3 to be honest. Who will take the ceremonial Bosh/Love role? Ironically it would have to be LBJ who would be turning 35 this December. |
I hear you. It's just a route that the Lakers might take, and I wouldn't mind seeing them take that route. I'm saying Kyrie, because I think we have a better shot at getting him than KL or Klay. In your opinion, what do you think the Lakers should do if they make the above AD trade? |
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| Black20Ice wrote: | | I know Kyrie won a championship with James but he demands the ball too much. This team needs a pass first, shoot second PG. Especially, if Davis becomes a Laker. |
i agree, i love me some kyrie but i like to watch him on other people's teams. similar to westbrook. i dont really want him as a laker. too much dribbling. |
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LeBron has been out for a month and still counting.
Irving has played 43 out of a possible 50 games and is listed as doubtful for the Charlotte - Boston game tonight.
Davis has played in 41 out of 51 games and might be back soon. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:26 am Post subject: Re: How Lakers Could Trade For AD and sign a Kyrie in the offseason. |
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| scoobs wrote: | The purpose of this thread is to show how the Lakers could trade for AD this season and then sign Kyrie (or a different 30% max player) in the offseason. The Lakers would have to gut the team to go this route, but it would get them 3 max players, which has been proven to be an effective method in building championship teams. In addition, i'm sure Lebron would prefer to be playing along side AD and Kyrie. This would be a lot easier if we didnt have Deng's 4,990,000 of dead money counting against our cap, but it is what it is.
1. Trade Kuzma, Ball, Ingram, Zubac, KCP and 2019 1st for AD, Johnson(expiring) and Clark(expiring).
2. Trade Beasley, Bonga and 2019 2nd round pick to Miami for Ellington. This gets rid of Bonga's guaranteed 2019 salary of 1,663,861. This also gets us a shooter who is expiring that could help us this season, in Ellington.
3. Sign Carmelo Anthony or any available free agent power forward, because we would need help there for now.
4. Trade Hart and Wagner for future picks. We shouldn't have a problem doing that. They are both shooters on bargain contracts with good upside.
5. Waive Svi.
This puts the teams 2019 payroll at:
1. James $37,436,858
2. AD 27,093,019
3. Hold 888,928
4. Hold 888,928
5. Hold 888,928
6. Hold 888,928
7. Hold 888,928
8. Hold 888,928
9. Hold 888,928
10. Hold 888,928
11. Hold 888,928
12. Open Roster Spot-free agent salary will go here
13. Deng 4,990,000
Total payroll $76,631,306
Total available cap room (assuming $108,000,000 salary cap): $31,368,694
NBA max contract for 7-10 year vet (Kyrie) $32,400,000.
So Kyrie, or another 7-10 year vet would have to take $1,031,306 less per year to sign with the Lakers. That is with the Lakers doing everything they could possibly do to afford them. That is not much of a pay cut, I think it is doable. Im thinking the Hart/Wagner trade might have to be done after the free agent, such as Kyrie has already agreed to a deal with the Lakers. |
^^^^^^^THIS GUY GETS IT! 
I love the kids. I really do and they could become very good basketball players. However, this should be the plan when you have Lebron on your roster. Lebron + AD with $31 million in cap space? In a summer where there will be 7 All-Star players that will be UFA's? You have to do it.
The Lakers would have no problem signing 1 more max guy, and role players would be flocking to LA in a heartbeat. For the record, I'd rather have KD, Kawhi, or Klay......but either way we'd still be a viable title contender for 3-5 years. |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:48 am Post subject: Re: How Lakers Could Trade For AD and sign a Kyrie in the offseason. |
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| scoobs wrote: | The purpose of this thread is to show how the Lakers could trade for AD this season and then sign Kyrie (or a different 30% max player) in the offseason. The Lakers would have to gut the team to go this route, but it would get them 3 max players, which has been proven to be an effective method in building championship teams. In addition, i'm sure Lebron would prefer to be playing along side AD and Kyrie. This would be a lot easier if we didnt have Deng's 4,990,000 of dead money counting against our cap, but it is what it is.
1. Trade Kuzma, Ball, Ingram, Zubac, KCP and 2019 1st for AD, Johnson(expiring) and Clark(expiring).
2. Trade Beasley, Bonga and 2019 2nd round pick to Miami for Ellington. This gets rid of Bonga's guaranteed 2019 salary of 1,663,861. This also gets us a shooter who is expiring that could help us this season, in Ellington.
3. Sign Carmelo Anthony or any available free agent power forward, because we would need help there for now.
4. Trade Hart and Wagner for future picks. We shouldn't have a problem doing that. They are both shooters on bargain contracts with good upside.
5. Waive Svi.
This puts the teams 2019 payroll at:
1. James $37,436,858
2. AD 27,093,019
3. Hold 888,928
4. Hold 888,928
5. Hold 888,928
6. Hold 888,928
7. Hold 888,928
8. Hold 888,928
9. Hold 888,928
10. Hold 888,928
11. Hold 888,928
12. Open Roster Spot-free agent salary will go here
13. Deng 4,990,000
Total payroll $76,631,306
Total available cap room (assuming $108,000,000 salary cap): $31,368,694
NBA max contract for 7-10 year vet (Kyrie) $32,400,000.
So Kyrie, or another 7-10 year vet would have to take $1,031,306 less per year to sign with the Lakers. That is with the Lakers doing everything they could possibly do to afford them. That is not much of a pay cut, I think it is doable. Im thinking the Hart/Wagner trade might have to be done after the free agent, such as Kyrie has already agreed to a deal with the Lakers. |
Pretty sure that's another empty roster charge.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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pointless to discuss
-Pelicans are not trading Davis before deadline
-Kyrie is most likely not coming here |
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scoobs
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: How Lakers Could Trade For AD and sign a Kyrie in the offseason. |
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| omzzzzz wrote: | | scoobs wrote: | The purpose of this thread is to show how the Lakers could trade for AD this season and then sign Kyrie (or a different 30% max player) in the offseason. The Lakers would have to gut the team to go this route, but it would get them 3 max players, which has been proven to be an effective method in building championship teams. In addition, i'm sure Lebron would prefer to be playing along side AD and Kyrie. This would be a lot easier if we didnt have Deng's 4,990,000 of dead money counting against our cap, but it is what it is.
1. Trade Kuzma, Ball, Ingram, Zubac, KCP and 2019 1st for AD, Johnson(expiring) and Clark(expiring).
2. Trade Beasley, Bonga and 2019 2nd round pick to Miami for Ellington. This gets rid of Bonga's guaranteed 2019 salary of 1,663,861. This also gets us a shooter who is expiring that could help us this season, in Ellington.
3. Sign Carmelo Anthony or any available free agent power forward, because we would need help there for now.
4. Trade Hart and Wagner for future picks. We shouldn't have a problem doing that. They are both shooters on bargain contracts with good upside.
5. Waive Svi.
This puts the teams 2019 payroll at:
1. James $37,436,858
2. AD 27,093,019
3. Hold 888,928
4. Hold 888,928
5. Hold 888,928
6. Hold 888,928
7. Hold 888,928
8. Hold 888,928
9. Hold 888,928
10. Hold 888,928
11. Hold 888,928
12. Open Roster Spot-free agent salary will go here
13. Deng 4,990,000
Total payroll $76,631,306
Total available cap room (assuming $108,000,000 salary cap): $31,368,694
NBA max contract for 7-10 year vet (Kyrie) $32,400,000.
So Kyrie, or another 7-10 year vet would have to take $1,031,306 less per year to sign with the Lakers. That is with the Lakers doing everything they could possibly do to afford them. That is not much of a pay cut, I think it is doable. Im thinking the Hart/Wagner trade might have to be done after the free agent, such as Kyrie has already agreed to a deal with the Lakers. |
^^^^^^^THIS GUY GETS IT!
I love the kids. I really do and they could become very good basketball players. However, this should be the plan when you have Lebron on your roster. Lebron + AD with $31 million in cap space? In a summer where there will be 7 All-Star players that will be UFA's? You have to do it.
The Lakers would have no problem signing 1 more max guy, and role players would be flocking to LA in a heartbeat. For the record, I'd rather have KD, Kawhi, or Klay......but either way we'd still be a viable title contender for 3-5 years. |
Yeah, thanks for not (bleeping) on my thread. It does make sense. I also prefer Klay or KL, but right now it seems we would have a better chance at Kyrie. If we are going to get AD, the kids would obviously be gone any way. The only kids left would likely be Hart, Wagner and Bonga. I'm not attached to any of these kids like a lot of these fan boys are tbh. |
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| We have about eight days to trade for Anthony Davis. If this goes to the summer then it's not happening for LA. |
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Baron Von Humongous
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scoobs, why can't the Lakers sign Kyrie on 7/1 and then trade for AD? That way Kyrie could get his max contract and the Lakers wouldn't have to jettison every player on their roster.
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We might not get a third max because of Deng's stretched salary?
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| CandyCanes wrote: | | We might not get a third max because of Deng's stretched salary? |
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| Beir32 wrote: | | We have about eight days to trade for Anthony Davis. If this goes to the summer then it's not happening for LA. |
Don't hold your breath. |
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| CandyCanes wrote: | | We might not get a third max because of Deng's stretched salary? |
That's funny but also extremely infuriating. Those mother (bleep), Mitch and Jim still haunting us. Moz-Deng worst moves in Lakers history. Seeing Dlo dominate on the Nets  |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| CandyCanes wrote: | | We might not get a third max because of Deng's stretched salary? |
yup. And if we dodnt have Deng's stretched salary in the books, we probably would get to keep at least one of the kids, like Hart. |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | scoobs, why can't the Lakers sign Kyrie on 7/1 and then trade for AD? That way Kyrie could get his max contract and the Lakers wouldn't have to jettison every player on their roster. |
That would be ideal, but I imagine the Lakers learned from past mistakes and will make an aggressive push to get AD as soon as possible. Especially since Boston cant trade for him yet. |
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| troy wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | We have about eight days to trade for Anthony Davis. If this goes to the summer then it's not happening for LA. |
Don't hold your breath. |
Not planning on it. |
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| The Juggernaut wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | | We might not get a third max because of Deng's stretched salary? |
That's funny but also extremely infuriating. Those mother (bleep), Mitch and Jim still haunting us. Moz-Deng worst moves in Lakers history. Seeing Dlo dominate on the Nets |
Wait until Lonzo is better than DLO and dominate elsewhere or when Ingram plays just as DLO, elsewhere again. |
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| AFireInside619 wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | | We might not get a third max because of Deng's stretched salary? |
That's funny but also extremely infuriating. Those mother (bleep), Mitch and Jim still haunting us. Moz-Deng worst moves in Lakers history. Seeing Dlo dominate on the Nets |
Wait until Lonzo is better than DLO and dominate elsewhere or when Ingram plays just as DLO, elsewhere again. |
well if it gets us a championship or 2 then it was well worth it. DLO was a sacrifice attached to Moz's horrible contract. That would be well worth it too if we grab an elite player with out cap space. It would have been even better if we never had MozDeng in the first place. |
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