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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:50 pm    Post subject:

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I like Hart as much as the next guy but 2-8 from 3 isn’t going to cut it!!


So far in two preseason games, KCP is 1-8 from the three and Hart is 3-10.


Are you worried? This isn’t a good sign to me. These are supposed to be 2 of our best shooters.


2 preseason games. Hart shot well all last year, not worried.
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I like Hart as much as the next guy but 2-8 from 3 isn’t going to cut it!!


So far in two preseason games, KCP is 1-8 from the three and Hart is 3-10.


Are you worried? This isn’t a good sign to me. These are supposed to be 2 of our best shooters.


2 preseason games. Hart shot well all last year, not worried.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:01 pm    Post subject:

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I like Hart as much as the next guy but 2-8 from 3 isn’t going to cut it!!


So far in two preseason games, KCP is 1-8 from the three and Hart is 3-10.


Are you worried? This isn’t a good sign to me. These are supposed to be 2 of our best shooters.


2 preseason games. Hart shot well all last year, not worried.


No one in the NBA is supposed to overreact with there team in the preseason but us!! cause we want to see Greatness from day 1.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:25 am    Post subject:

Hart looks better than kcp already. Hope he gets the start.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:33 am    Post subject:

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Hart looks better than kcp already. Hope he gets the start.


Even if I agree, my question is : will KCP be better with the second unit ? I'm not sure about that, if he can't play well with our best players, won't it be worse with lesser ones ?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:55 am    Post subject:

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Hart looks better than kcp already. Hope he gets the start.


Even if I agree, my question is : will KCP be better with the second unit ? I'm not sure about that, if he can't play well with our best players, won't it be worse with lesser ones ?



Think about this bench unit

Rajon Rondo
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Beasley/Zubac/Wagner

You can switch out KCP and Svi for Stephenson and KCP as well and either one works.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:46 am    Post subject:

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Hart looks better than kcp already. Hope he gets the start.


Even if I agree, my question is : will KCP be better with the second unit ? I'm not sure about that, if he can't play well with our best players, won't it be worse with lesser ones ?


The argument for having KCP come off the bench is that he won't hurt you as much if he's having a bad game. KCP is going to shoot 3s and fill the lane whether he starts or comes off the bench. However, Hart's potential is really unlocked playing next to guys with offensive gravity. His ability to spot-up, fill the lane, go coast-to-coast and attack close outs is really enhanced playing next to the Bron, BI and Zo/Rondo.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:34 am    Post subject:

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Hart looks better than kcp already. Hope he gets the start.


Even if I agree, my question is : will KCP be better with the second unit ? I'm not sure about that, if he can't play well with our best players, won't it be worse with lesser ones ?


The argument for having KCP come off the bench is that he won't hurt you as much if he's having a bad game. KCP is going to shoot 3s and fill the lane whether he starts or comes off the bench. However, Hart's potential is really unlocked playing next to guys with offensive gravity. His ability to spot-up, fill the lane, go coast-to-coast and attack close outs is really enhanced playing next to the Bron, BI and Zo/Rondo.

He looked really good with Lebron and Rondo Hart's all round game and high IQ makes him the favorite to start He may be the most improved player imo
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:10 am    Post subject:

GT made a great observation on today's Locked on Lakers podcast - yeah, I'm a junkie listening to Lakers podcasts during lunch, so what? - that with the UCLA 1-4 set the Lakers are running with the starting unit, the SG is coming off of a screen and catching the ball at the top of the arc. Last season, KCP would come off screens and catch the ball at the wings. But catching it at the top of the arc out of the 1-4 gives the SG a driving lane that Hart is much better suited to exploit than KCP who struggles attacking the rim in the half-court.

I think I paraphrased that correctly. Anyway, Hart provides more versatility in this offense than KCP even if KCP is theoretically the better shooter off motion (at least he was last season).

ETA: here's a video from LFR that explains it much better than I ever could https://twitter.com/LakersSBN/status/1047531480308539392
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:24 am    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
GT made a great observation on today's Locked on Lakers podcast - yeah, I'm a junkie listening to Lakers podcasts during lunch, so what? - that with the UCLA 1-4 set the Lakers are running with the starting unit, the SG is coming off of a screen and catching the ball at the top of the arc. Last season, KCP would come off screens and catch the ball at the wings. But catching it at the top of the arc out of the 1-4 gives the SG a driving lane that Hart is much better suited to exploit than KCP who struggles attacking the rim in the half-court.

I think I paraphrased that correctly. Anyway, Hart provides more versatility in this offense than KCP even if KCP is theoretically the better shooter off motion (at least he was last season).

ETA: here's a video from LFR that explains it much better than I ever could https://twitter.com/LakersSBN/status/1047531480308539392


Moral of the story: Your lunches are too early.

I think it's fair to say Josh is more versatile on offense than KCP.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:33 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
GT made a great observation on today's Locked on Lakers podcast - yeah, I'm a junkie listening to Lakers podcasts during lunch, so what? - that with the UCLA 1-4 set the Lakers are running with the starting unit, the SG is coming off of a screen and catching the ball at the top of the arc. Last season, KCP would come off screens and catch the ball at the wings. But catching it at the top of the arc out of the 1-4 gives the SG a driving lane that Hart is much better suited to exploit than KCP who struggles attacking the rim in the half-court.

I think I paraphrased that correctly. Anyway, Hart provides more versatility in this offense than KCP even if KCP is theoretically the better shooter off motion (at least he was last season).

ETA: here's a video from LFR that explains it much better than I ever could https://twitter.com/LakersSBN/status/1047531480308539392


Moral of the story: Your lunches are too early.

I think it's fair to say Josh is more versatile on offense than KCP.


Based on the 1st two games, it's clear that our 1st unit moves the ball much more fluidly, and Hart has the skillset to take advantage of scrambling defenses in a way that KCP can't.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:37 am    Post subject:

NotHype wrote:
markjay wrote:
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I like Hart as much as the next guy but 2-8 from 3 isn’t going to cut it!!


So far in two preseason games, KCP is 1-8 from the three and Hart is 3-10.


Are you worried? This isn’t a good sign to me. These are supposed to be 2 of our best shooters.

You know what's funny? If Hart made one more of his 10 3's, he'd be shooting 40%, and you'd be hyped.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:40 am    Post subject:

AY2043 wrote:
NotHype wrote:
markjay wrote:
NotHype wrote:
I like Hart as much as the next guy but 2-8 from 3 isn’t going to cut it!!


So far in two preseason games, KCP is 1-8 from the three and Hart is 3-10.


Are you worried? This isn’t a good sign to me. These are supposed to be 2 of our best shooters.

You know what's funny? If Hart made one more of his 10 3's, he'd be shooting 40%, and you'd be hyped.


No because what worries me is the lack of consistency

Most teams have those 2 guys that you know are money whenever they get an open look from 3. We don’t seem to have that.

I am more worried about consistency. I’m not seeing Hart or any of these guys knock down multiple open looks in a row
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:42 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
GT made a great observation on today's Locked on Lakers podcast - yeah, I'm a junkie listening to Lakers podcasts during lunch, so what? - that with the UCLA 1-4 set the Lakers are running with the starting unit, the SG is coming off of a screen and catching the ball at the top of the arc. Last season, KCP would come off screens and catch the ball at the wings. But catching it at the top of the arc out of the 1-4 gives the SG a driving lane that Hart is much better suited to exploit than KCP who struggles attacking the rim in the half-court.

I think I paraphrased that correctly. Anyway, Hart provides more versatility in this offense than KCP even if KCP is theoretically the better shooter off motion (at least he was last season).

ETA: here's a video from LFR that explains it much better than I ever could https://twitter.com/LakersSBN/status/1047531480308539392


Moral of the story: Your lunches are too early.

I think it's fair to say Josh is more versatile on offense than KCP.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:51 am    Post subject:

NotHype wrote:
AY2043 wrote:
NotHype wrote:
markjay wrote:
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I like Hart as much as the next guy but 2-8 from 3 isn’t going to cut it!!


So far in two preseason games, KCP is 1-8 from the three and Hart is 3-10.


Are you worried? This isn’t a good sign to me. These are supposed to be 2 of our best shooters.

You know what's funny? If Hart made one more of his 10 3's, he'd be shooting 40%, and you'd be hyped.


No because what worries me is the lack of consistency

Most teams have those 2 guys that you know are money whenever they get an open look from 3. We don’t seem to have that.

I am more worried about consistency. I’m not seeing Hart or any of these guys knock down multiple open looks in a row
Hart was consistently either at or near the top ranking on our team for 3 pt accuracy from the time he started getting playing time throughout the rest of last season.

KCP on the other hand, was all over the map. He was a poor 3 point shooter for a major portion of the season, on much more playing time than Hart had early on, but he torched the net from outside very late in the season, which is what pulled his 3pt percentage up.

Calling out Hart for being inconsistent based on the first 2 preseason games is pure
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:52 am    Post subject:

Where did summer league mvp Hart go? He was so aggressive and was shooting lights out. Hart has made some great plays but he seems so tentative on some shots.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:05 am    Post subject:

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Where did summer league mvp Hart go? He was so aggressive and was shooting lights out. Hart has made some great plays but he seems so tentative on some shots.


Well, he's no longer playing against SPL comp too.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:12 am    Post subject:

TooMuchMajicBuss wrote:
NotHype wrote:
AY2043 wrote:
NotHype wrote:
markjay wrote:
NotHype wrote:
I like Hart as much as the next guy but 2-8 from 3 isn’t going to cut it!!


So far in two preseason games, KCP is 1-8 from the three and Hart is 3-10.


Are you worried? This isn’t a good sign to me. These are supposed to be 2 of our best shooters.

You know what's funny? If Hart made one more of his 10 3's, he'd be shooting 40%, and you'd be hyped.


No because what worries me is the lack of consistency

Most teams have those 2 guys that you know are money whenever they get an open look from 3. We don’t seem to have that.

I am more worried about consistency. I’m not seeing Hart or any of these guys knock down multiple open looks in a row
Hart was consistently either at or near the top ranking on our team for 3 pt accuracy from the time he started getting playing time throughout the rest of last season.

KCP on the other hand, was all over the map. He was a poor 3 point shooter for a major portion of the season, on much more playing time than Hart had early on, but he torched the net from outside very late in the season, which is what pulled his 3pt percentage up.

Calling out Hart for being inconsistent based on the first 2 preseason games is pure


Ok I will give him more time. Maybe he’s just off for 2 games.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:40 am    Post subject:

Blah Blah Blah. Hart looked good to me, and Lebron seems to like playing with him. Starting him over Mana from Heaven the second preseason game is very telling. KCP is very out of sync right now.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:28 pm    Post subject:

I think he played rather well wasn't as aggressive as usual, but drove it to the hole a couple of times that last game. I do think Hart over KCP, but KCP was with the group that lost us that lead. Hoping KCP gets out of this slump, obviously in his head, be that as it may, I start Hart!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:36 pm    Post subject:

NotHype wrote:
AY2043 wrote:
NotHype wrote:
markjay wrote:
NotHype wrote:
I like Hart as much as the next guy but 2-8 from 3 isn’t going to cut it!!


So far in two preseason games, KCP is 1-8 from the three and Hart is 3-10.


Are you worried? This isn’t a good sign to me. These are supposed to be 2 of our best shooters.

You know what's funny? If Hart made one more of his 10 3's, he'd be shooting 40%, and you'd be hyped.


No because what worries me is the lack of consistency

Most teams have those 2 guys that you know are money whenever they get an open look from 3. We don’t seem to have that.

I am more worried about consistency. I’m not seeing Hart or any of these guys knock down multiple open looks in a row


Please do tell who these guys are? They shoot 100%, 90%, maybe 80% from three in a course of a 82 game season? We need to trade for these guys.

There are nights Curry will go 7-10 from threes. Then there are nights he goes 2-10. And at the end of the 2018 season, Curry shot 42% from three.

What is your definition of consistency?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:38 pm    Post subject:

NotHype wrote:
TooMuchMajicBuss wrote:
NotHype wrote:
AY2043 wrote:
NotHype wrote:
markjay wrote:
NotHype wrote:
I like Hart as much as the next guy but 2-8 from 3 isn’t going to cut it!!


So far in two preseason games, KCP is 1-8 from the three and Hart is 3-10.


Are you worried? This isn’t a good sign to me. These are supposed to be 2 of our best shooters.

You know what's funny? If Hart made one more of his 10 3's, he'd be shooting 40%, and you'd be hyped.


No because what worries me is the lack of consistency

Most teams have those 2 guys that you know are money whenever they get an open look from 3. We don’t seem to have that.

I am more worried about consistency. I’m not seeing Hart or any of these guys knock down multiple open looks in a row
Hart was consistently either at or near the top ranking on our team for 3 pt accuracy from the time he started getting playing time throughout the rest of last season.

KCP on the other hand, was all over the map. He was a poor 3 point shooter for a major portion of the season, on much more playing time than Hart had early on, but he torched the net from outside very late in the season, which is what pulled his 3pt percentage up.

Calling out Hart for being inconsistent based on the first 2 preseason games is pure


Ok I will give him more time. Maybe he’s just off for 2 games.


You think? 39% from threes last year. He's the least of your worries.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:32 pm    Post subject:

hart drawing rave reviews so far: https://www.nba.com/lakers/news/181003-josh-hart-impresses-unexpected-big-man-plays
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:34 pm    Post subject:

Hart should start.

He is better than KCP.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:04 pm    Post subject:

hart should start over KCP. KCP might only start cause of lebron connection
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