Last week I was going to make a post about how funny it was that teams hadn't really caught on to Josh's right, left, right take off but there was a play against the Spurs where a defender really sat on it and stuffed him at the rim
He should switch it up with a left right Cha Cha Cha.
Hart's getting matched on bigger players, and doing the best he can. He's getting picked on/singled out by the opposition. That last foul was a frustration foul. He's gotta keep his cool. _________________ ZOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!
he's literally our best perimeter defender......... so............................. yea........
He’s actually our worst, and I don’t think it’s close. He’s great when he is forced to switch onto a big and can use his strength to body them away from great post position and challenge an off balanced shot, but his man blows by him pretty much at will and he either just gets shot over for high percentage looks or fouls jump shooters when he tries to jump to challenge. He’s pretty terrible on the perimeter on D this season. He was already pretty weak last season and it looks worse this season.
There's certain aspects of defense he's good at, and certain aspects he's not.
I thought he was good at 3 ball contests last year.
As well as contesting bigs in the paint.
But I would assume he would have bad numbers on 1 on 1 players. Don't have the stats for that though.
Anyone with some real numbers besides the anecdotal stuff?
I’m hoping it’s just a slump for Hart adjusting to the suspensions and the return of Rondo and Ingram and not teams figuring him out and him not having an answer. He for sure has been marked as a priority attack target on defense on the perimeter.
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bandiger wrote:
Right, I backed off on Hart starting when I saw Butler and Derozan abusing his ass for easy scores.
In fairness, both Derozan and Butler are talented veteran scorers and have the ability to do that to anyone in the NBA. Not to mention DD is 6'7 and Jimmy is 6'8. Josh Hart is 6'5.
he's literally our best perimeter defender......... so............................. yea........
He’s actually our worst.
good one
Dude consistently can’t stay in front of players of any size. This was even the case at summer league.
Right, I backed off on Hart starting when I saw Butler and Derozan abusing his ass for easy scores.
And tonight he got easily beat by Barnes and Doncic.
Doncic got by with a screen. He’s a positional defender and a help defender. On ball is a work in progress. Right now with NBA calling ticky tack fouls. He need to make adjustments.
BI was covering him. The screen was a switch and Hart let him get around him on the perimeter. Wasn’t a factor in that regard. Hart was just a hair late in his initial reaction, then got behind after trying to slide laterally and had to recover. Wasn’t his worst break down on the perimeter, but he’s been pretty soft on the perimeter.
BI was covering him. The screen was a switch and Hart let him get around him on the perimeter. Wasn’t a factor in that regard. Hart was just a hair late in his initial reaction, then got behind after trying to slide laterally and had to recover. Wasn’t his worst break down on the perimeter, but he’s been pretty soft on the perimeter.
you explained it just how it happened DB. and guess what, it keeps happening like that. other times he gets called for fouls for trying to hold guys up(which I agree with but the league has made it clear, they aint having it. so you have to switch it up. i'm not sure he can.)
josh harts lateral quicks arent the greatest. so that means he will have to learn/play the angles game a lot better. And the angles game takes a lot of time to get down pat. It's not that he's a bad defender, but he made be a below average to average defender in 2018/19 nba era of you can't hold anyone anymore. you give me josh a few years ago and he would be an above average defender. you turn the clock back 10 years ago and josh would be a lock down defender. you see my point DB?
Now I completely understand why all these teams are so stuck on length. if the nba is going this route defensively. the only way you can keep up with a guy is by being very long (BI anyone.) josh hart is not long.
BI was covering him. The screen was a switch and Hart let him get around him on the perimeter. Wasn’t a factor in that regard. Hart was just a hair late in his initial reaction, then got behind after trying to slide laterally and had to recover. Wasn’t his worst break down on the perimeter, but he’s been pretty soft on the perimeter.
you explained it just how it happened DB. and guess what, it keeps happening like that. other times he gets called for fouls for trying to hold guys up(which I agree with but the league has made it clear, they aint having it. so you have to switch it up. i'm not sure he can.)
josh harts lateral quicks arent the greatest. so that means he will have to learn/play the angles game a lot better. And the angles game takes a lot of time to get down pat. It's not that he's a bad defender, but he made be a below average to average defender in 2018/19 nba era of you can't hold anyone anymore. you give me josh a few years ago and he would be an above average defender. you turn the clock back 10 years ago and josh would be a lock down defender. you see my point DB?
Now I completely understand why all these teams are so stuck on length. if the nba is going this route defensively. the only way you can keep up with a guy is by being very long (BI anyone.) josh hart is not long.
Good points. I was thinking the same as bolded.
Josh’s key to succeeding will be video sessions and mastering the angles. Like you said, he’s not the quickest and sneezing is a foul now.
BI was covering him. The screen was a switch and Hart let him get around him on the perimeter. Wasn’t a factor in that regard. Hart was just a hair late in his initial reaction, then got behind after trying to slide laterally and had to recover. Wasn’t his worst break down on the perimeter, but he’s been pretty soft on the perimeter.
you explained it just how it happened DB. and guess what, it keeps happening like that. other times he gets called for fouls for trying to hold guys up(which I agree with but the league has made it clear, they aint having it. so you have to switch it up. i'm not sure he can.)
josh harts lateral quicks arent the greatest. so that means he will have to learn/play the angles game a lot better. And the angles game takes a lot of time to get down pat. It's not that he's a bad defender, but he made be a below average to average defender in 2018/19 nba era of you can't hold anyone anymore. you give me josh a few years ago and he would be an above average defender. you turn the clock back 10 years ago and josh would be a lock down defender. you see my point DB?
Now I completely understand why all these teams are so stuck on length. if the nba is going this route defensively. the only way you can keep up with a guy is by being very long (BI anyone.) josh hart is not long.
Could have the Bruce Bowen defensive impact if physical defense is allowed like back in the day. Length is more essential nowadays. But I agree with your angles game. Scouting and video sessions will help him. Once he put it together, he will be above average defender at worst.
There's certain aspects of defense he's good at, and certain aspects he's not.
I thought he was good at 3 ball contests last year.
As well as contesting bigs in the paint.
But I would assume he would have bad numbers on 1 on 1 players. Don't have the stats for that though.
Anyone with some real numbers besides the anecdotal stuff?
He's 3rd on the team at 10.1 contested shots per game.
And tied for lead on the team in deflections at 1.9 per game.
So far this year, he's giving up a higher fg% against with a diff% of +4.6 (positive is bad)
He's guarding the 3 point line pretty decently diff% of -1.5.
But 2 pointers is a different story: +7.5. Most of the damage done within 10 ft. Sheesh. Playing the 2-4 spot probably has something to do with it.
They might even think about giving run to a super-big lineup featuring no traditional point guard -- something like Hart, Ingram, James, Kuzma and McGee/Johnathan Williams. Hart needs to play more than Rondo, period.
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