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greenfrog
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| adkindo wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Texas_Pete wrote: | | Josh Hart >> KCP. There. I said it. |
Smarter and a better defender. There, I said it. |
I like Hart, but he is not the defender that KCP is....it's not close. |
Effort and positional defense. KCP is great at reading passing lanes, and that's about it, IMO. |
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lakez34
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| Everything he does is with good basketball instinct or Iq. Love his style of play. Looks effortless. And inspired basketball. |
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adkindo
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Texas_Pete wrote: | | Josh Hart >> KCP. There. I said it. |
Smarter and a better defender. There, I said it. |
I like Hart, but he is not the defender that KCP is....it's not close. |
Effort and positional defense. KCP is great at reading passing lanes, and that's about it, IMO. |
KCP has much quicker feet and hands.....which is why he is such a pain on the perimeter....players know the scouting report on KCP and have to play different and more cautious when they are matched up against him. |
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greenfrog
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| adkindo wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Texas_Pete wrote: | | Josh Hart >> KCP. There. I said it. |
Smarter and a better defender. There, I said it. |
I like Hart, but he is not the defender that KCP is....it's not close. |
Effort and positional defense. KCP is great at reading passing lanes, and that's about it, IMO. |
KCP has much quicker feet and hands.....which is why he is such a pain on the perimeter....players know the scouting report on KCP and have to play different and more cautious when they are matched up against him. |
I see players blowing by him all the time. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| adkindo wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Texas_Pete wrote: | | Josh Hart >> KCP. There. I said it. |
Smarter and a better defender. There, I said it. |
I like Hart, but he is not the defender that KCP is....it's not close. |
Except Hart will be on this team much longer than KCP...it’s not close.
Building chemistry with Lonzo-Hart-Ingram-Kuzma-Randle starting and closing games is what we should be doing at this point. Not giving ineffective offensive players, especially ones that won’t be here next year KCP and Lopez, more looks and shots then those guys.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Nice game from the rook |
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adkindo
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Megaton wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Texas_Pete wrote: | | Josh Hart >> KCP. There. I said it. |
Smarter and a better defender. There, I said it. |
I like Hart, but he is not the defender that KCP is....it's not close. |
Except Hart will be on this team much longer than KCP...it’s not close.
Building chemistry with Lonzo-Hart-Ingram-Kuzma-Randle starting and closing games is what we should be doing at this point. Not giving ineffective offensive players, especially ones that won’t be here next year KCP and Lopez, more looks and shots then those guys. |
I disagree, I think we should be trying to win games this year....period. There is so much speculation on the direction of the team next year, I do not think we can be sure anyone will be on the roster next year, especially Randle as a RFA. That being said, if Lopez and KCP give us the best chance to win on any given night, then I think they should play. There is no incentive to lose a single game more than we absolutely must this season. If we bring in 2 or 3 major new pieces next season....all of that chemistry will start from square one. |
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adkindo
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Texas_Pete wrote: | | Josh Hart >> KCP. There. I said it. |
Smarter and a better defender. There, I said it. |
I like Hart, but he is not the defender that KCP is....it's not close. |
Effort and positional defense. KCP is great at reading passing lanes, and that's about it, IMO. |
KCP has much quicker feet and hands.....which is why he is such a pain on the perimeter....players know the scouting report on KCP and have to play different and more cautious when they are matched up against him. |
I see players blowing by him all the time. |
ok, I am sure that does happen sometimes....but are you really going to stand on the hill with Hart is a better perimeter defender than KCP? |
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DangeRuss
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I feel like hart is at least close to the defender kcp is, if he’s not better already, he will be soon. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| DangeRuss wrote: | | I feel like hart is at least close to the defender kcp is, if he’s not better already, he will be soon. |
At a fraction of the cost |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Texas_Pete wrote: | | Josh Hart >> KCP. There. I said it. |
Smarter and a better defender. There, I said it. |
I like Hart, but he is not the defender that KCP is....it's not close. |
Except Hart will be on this team much longer than KCP...it’s not close.
Building chemistry with Lonzo-Hart-Ingram-Kuzma-Randle starting and closing games is what we should be doing at this point. Not giving ineffective offensive players, especially ones that won’t be here next year KCP and Lopez, more looks and shots then those guys. |
I disagree, I think we should be trying to win games this year....period. |
Look at the win and loss record. I also like winning games. And we do it with our young core playing well despite our so called vets holding the team back and giving them more possessions and shots.
We were winning and better as a team when Kuzma was starting. Randle is better on both sides of the court than Lopez, even against guys bigger than him. And Hart is already almost caught up to a vet like KCP as a rookie.
The reason why that lineup should be starters now because it is better for winning, as well as better for development. Which Luke has the tendency to pick and choose what words he wants to use there as he sees fit.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Megaton wrote: | Look at the win and loss record. I also like winning games. And we do it with our young core playing well despite our so called vets holding the team back and giving them more possessions and shots.
We were winning and better as a team when Kuzma was starting. Randle is better on both sides of the court than Lopez, even against guys bigger than him. And Hart is already almost caught up to a vet like KCP as a rookie.
The reason why that lineup should be starters now because it is better for winning, as well as better for development. Which Luke has the tendency to pick and choose what words he wants to use there as he sees fit. |
Kuzma started during the softest part of our schedule, and we still had a losing record in his starts......which included some of our worst losses of the year....and we are just going to have to disagree on where Hart is as a perimeter defensive player compared to KCP. |
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LuciusAllen
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Hart seems like a great complementary piece, and definitely a starting SG assuming he is surrounded by more talented offensive players. |
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JJin77
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| greenfrog wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Texas_Pete wrote: | | Josh Hart >> KCP. There. I said it. |
Smarter and a better defender. There, I said it. |
I like Hart, but he is not the defender that KCP is....it's not close. |
Effort and positional defense. KCP is great at reading passing lanes, and that's about it, IMO. |
KCP has much quicker feet and hands.....which is why he is such a pain on the perimeter....players know the scouting report on KCP and have to play different and more cautious when they are matched up against him. |
I see players blowing by him all the time. |
I agree. He gets blown by rather pretty easily for a guy with defensive requtation. Not a good man to man defender against explosive ball handler, hence we don't see KCP on opposing PG to save Lonzo as much as I expected before the season. His defense is a lot like his offense, caotic in a sense. He hustles, pressures, helps, but also gambles, over pressures, over help too.
However, he is very good at ball denying, trailing through screens etc. which makes usuyally him very good fit against opposing SGs.
When things are clicking, his defensive impact is very loud(as GT would say), but when its not, he(moreso with brewer) causes entier team defense to collaps. however, some people still get the impression that he at least tries hard. Luckily for us, it seems that KCP has been winning fairly well on his gambles and meshes pretty well with lakers' overall defense.
Although I don't think Hart is a better defender than KCP atm(not sure really), I certainly prefer Hart's defensive syle over KCP. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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I don't see kcp as worth a big deal or spending cap room on, so why not develop hart?
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't see the hype with KCPs D. Which good to big player has he shutdown this year? |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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KCP has been aggressive offensively which in several games has made a huge difference.
I like Hart as a long term piece of a championship team but not sure he's ever a starter unless he becomes a really good shooter.
Even as just one of those great bench pieces, he's a steal and we should take the opportunity to develop him with mins when possible. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | I don't see kcp as worth a big deal or spending cap room on, so why not develop hart? |
I agree, he'll be better than KCP shortly. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | I don't see kcp as worth a big deal or spending cap room on, so why not develop hart? |
Wonder what we could get for KCP in a trade. Or Lopez for that matter.
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| Whether starting or coming off the bench, Josh Hart is Danny Green 2.0 but better. |
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JHart has been shooting pretty good lately. He was horrible for a stretch before that. Did he rework his shot or was it just a bad stretch he was going through? I hope he keeps it up.
I guess JHart will make KCP expendable as they seem kind of redundant. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | I don't see kcp as worth a big deal or spending cap room on, so why not develop hart? |
Bingo. He really dug himself out of his rookie funk. Luke did a tremendous job handling him and spoon feeding him which allowed him to get back on track. This kid will be a key component next year, if not this year. |
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His defense and toughness on switches against bigger players is a major asset going forward.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| Lakerpark wrote: | | JHart has been shooting pretty good lately. He was horrible for a stretch before that. Did he rework his shot or was it just a bad stretch he was going through? I hope he keeps it up. |
He's a rookie. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | I don't see kcp as worth a big deal or spending cap room on, so why not develop hart? |
Wonder what we could get for KCP in a trade. Or Lopez for that matter. |
I want both KCP and Lopez in the second unit. Need to work TBryant or Zubac and Hart. |
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