Josh Hart - 30th Pick
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 93, 94, 95, 96  Next

 
Post new topic    LakersGround.net Forum Index -> LA Lakers Lounge Reply to topic
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
lakersfan32
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 23 Jun 2005
Posts: 1260

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:51 pm    Post subject:

Didn't somebody say the Lakers were holding his game back? Guy could be the next Jimmy Butler.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Baron Von Humongous
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 02 Jul 2015
Posts: 11323

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:55 pm    Post subject:

Hart is easily going to be starter quality. He is Courtney Lee meets Derek Fisher.

The luxury for the Lakers is that they can plug him in as a low usage starter or bring him off the bench as 6th man depending on roster construction. And do so for a little over $1M per season until 2021.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Baron Von Humongous
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 02 Jul 2015
Posts: 11323

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:57 pm    Post subject:

lakersfan32 wrote:
Didn't somebody say the Lakers were holding his game back? Guy could be the next Jimmy Butler.

Not likely, but possible. I'd argue Hart is a better offensive player at the same age, but Butler was the better defender by age and diversified his offensive game to an outlier degree as a pro.

But Josh had a great secret star profile coming out of Villanova like Jimmy Butler did coming out of Marquette.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
JPaulK0n
Starting Rotation
Starting Rotation


Joined: 06 Feb 2018
Posts: 330

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:03 pm    Post subject:

It's early, but Lakers might have to add Hart to the untouchables list with Zo, Ingram, & Kuz. He is a 2 way player, elite at finishing around the rim, and a pure winner. Just in the last two games, he is so flexible on defense that you can put him on James Harden, Chris Paul, and Tobias Harris, and he can hold his own with how strong he is. He is a starting 2 guard in the league and he has an even better offensive game than expected to be just a 3 & D player. Lakers hit a complete home run with drafting 3 starters in the 2017 draft in Zo, Kuz, & Hart, can't ask for anything else, Hart is going to be really good.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Megaton
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 18 Feb 2015
Posts: 17990

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:05 pm    Post subject:

lakersfan32 wrote:
Didn't somebody say the Lakers were holding his game back? Guy could be the next Jimmy Butler.


I wouldnít be surprised because this organization for the last few years have a habit of holding young talent back.

While gems appear on this team, the coaches here also have this habit to really hostage the young core from REALLY cutting loose and having the green light. Kyle Kuzma and Randle were victims of this earlier in the season, after the first 3 or games, the team decides to make Lonzo Ball give up the ball right after he passes half court, we play entry pass offense with one year mercs like Lopez, KCP and IT, etc.

Unlike here, the Sixers, Wolves, Suns, etc at least know how to really showcase young talent and give them the green light all the time regardless of the outcome of games. Devin Booker for example, has been given the ultimate freedom to do whatever he wants since day 1 on the Suns and he wasnít even a top 10 pick.

Imagine Hart or Kuz on other rebuilding teams like the Grizzlies, Hawks, Kings, or the Magic? They probably do even better with more touches to boot. Only rebuilding team that wouldnít give them that green light would be teams with stubborn coaches like the Mavs and the Pistons.
_________________
This Signature is now sponsored by Big Baller Brand
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
mhan00
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 13 Apr 2001
Posts: 28112

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:09 pm    Post subject:

Hartís final game of the season: 30 points, 5 boards, and 5 assists on 7 of 9 shooting from 3.

Dloís Final game of the season: 11 points, 1 board, 3 assists, and 4 turnovers, on 1 of 5 shooting from 3.

I think the sample size of one is enough to definitively declare that Hart is the future superstar and Dlo is the bust.

Seriously, though, when I first heard about the trade I was freaking out, but damn if Hartís emergence hasnít softened the blow a great deal. I still believe in Dlo, even after his disappointing year, but Hart and KUZ have been a revelation.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message ICQ Number Reply with quote
tox
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 16 Nov 2015
Posts: 13064

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:10 pm    Post subject:

30-5-5 jeez
_________________
https://j.gifs.com/Rnqnbk.gif
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Baron Von Humongous
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 02 Jul 2015
Posts: 11323

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:14 pm    Post subject:

mhan00 wrote:
Hartís final game of the season: 30 points, 5 boards, and 5 assists on 7 of 9 shooting from 3.

Dloís Final game of the season: 11 points, 1 board, 3 assists, and 4 turnovers, on 1 of 5 shooting from 3.

I think the sample size of one is enough to definitively declare that Hart is the future superstar and Dlo is the bust.

Seriously, though, when I first heard about the trade I was freaking out, but damn if Hartís emergence hasnít softened the blow a great deal. I still believe in Dlo, even after his disappointing year, but Hart and KUZ have been a revelation.

Since this is the new DLo thread, if he fails to become an All-Star, he'd be the first guard selected in the top three of a draft to do so since Jay Williams (whose career was cut short due to a motorcycle crash injury). Interesting.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
TheBlackMamba
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 23 Apr 2007
Posts: 6093

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:17 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
mhan00 wrote:
Hartís final game of the season: 30 points, 5 boards, and 5 assists on 7 of 9 shooting from 3.

Dloís Final game of the season: 11 points, 1 board, 3 assists, and 4 turnovers, on 1 of 5 shooting from 3.

I think the sample size of one is enough to definitively declare that Hart is the future superstar and Dlo is the bust.

Seriously, though, when I first heard about the trade I was freaking out, but damn if Hartís emergence hasnít softened the blow a great deal. I still believe in Dlo, even after his disappointing year, but Hart and KUZ have been a revelation.

Since this is the new DLo thread, if he fails to become an All-Star, he'd be the first guard selected in the top three of a draft to do so since Jay Williams (whose career was cut short due to a motorcycle crash injury). Interesting.


That last bit was so mind-blowing I had to check it. Ben Gordon, OJ Mayo, (soon to be) Andrew Wiggins

EDIT - Evan Turner depending on whether you consider him a G or F?


Last edited by TheBlackMamba on Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:18 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
justsomelakerfan
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 16 Jul 2016
Posts: 8851

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:18 pm    Post subject:

bring back the dlo thread
_________________
LET'S GO JAZZ
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
KeepItRealOrElse
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 11 Oct 2012
Posts: 27973

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:19 pm    Post subject:

lakersfan32 wrote:
Didn't somebody say the Lakers were holding his game back? Guy could be the next Jimmy Butler.


like, as a literal comp? Butler is 6'8, Hart 6'5

what's a good comp for his ceilng?


Last edited by KeepItRealOrElse on Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:19 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Megaton
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 18 Feb 2015
Posts: 17990

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:19 pm    Post subject:

Josh Hart finishes his last 4 starting games with:

23.8 PPG, 6.8 RPG, 1.5 APG, 1.3 SPG, 53% FG, 45% 3P.

That is some Jimmy Butler numbers right there.
_________________
This Signature is now sponsored by Big Baller Brand
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Baron Von Humongous
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 02 Jul 2015
Posts: 11323

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:21 pm    Post subject:

tox wrote:
30-5-5 jeez

For comparison, Fisher never scored 30 points in a regular season game his entire career, and didn't record 5 or more 20+ point games until his fourth season.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
justsomelakerfan
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 16 Jul 2016
Posts: 8851

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:22 pm    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
lakersfan32 wrote:
Didn't somebody say the Lakers were holding his game back? Guy could be the next Jimmy Butler.


like, as a literal comp? Butler is 6'8, Hart 6'5

what's a good comp for his ceilng?


Hary Garris?
_________________
LET'S GO JAZZ
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
defense
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 12 Jan 2010
Posts: 26957

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:24 pm    Post subject:

LG has come a long way from "this guy is a scrub"

See early season comments.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Baron Von Humongous
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 02 Jul 2015
Posts: 11323

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:25 pm    Post subject:

TheBlackMamba wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
mhan00 wrote:
Hartís final game of the season: 30 points, 5 boards, and 5 assists on 7 of 9 shooting from 3.

Dloís Final game of the season: 11 points, 1 board, 3 assists, and 4 turnovers, on 1 of 5 shooting from 3.

I think the sample size of one is enough to definitively declare that Hart is the future superstar and Dlo is the bust.

Seriously, though, when I first heard about the trade I was freaking out, but damn if Hartís emergence hasnít softened the blow a great deal. I still believe in Dlo, even after his disappointing year, but Hart and KUZ have been a revelation.

Since this is the new DLo thread, if he fails to become an All-Star, he'd be the first guard selected in the top three of a draft to do so since Jay Williams (whose career was cut short due to a motorcycle crash injury). Interesting.


That last bit was so mind-blowing I had to check it. Ben Gordon, OJ Mayo, (soon to be) Andrew Wiggins

EDIT - Evan Turner depending on whether you consider him a G or F?

Gordon and Mayo, you are right. Wiggins is not a guard.

I'll amend it to PGs and extend it back to 1984.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
TheBlackMamba
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 23 Apr 2007
Posts: 6093

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:25 pm    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
lakersfan32 wrote:
Didn't somebody say the Lakers were holding his game back? Guy could be the next Jimmy Butler.


like, as a literal comp? Butler is 6'8, Hart 6'5

what's a good comp for his ceilng?


I was thinking Wes Matthews earlier in the season, but Hart is probably a better finisher and much better rebounder.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
tox
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 16 Nov 2015
Posts: 13064

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:25 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
tox wrote:
30-5-5 jeez

For comparison, Fisher never scored 30 points in a regular season game his entire career, and didn't record 5 or more 20+ point games until his fourth season.

I didn't really get the Fisher comparison to begin with. For starters, Hart actually makes layups.
_________________
https://j.gifs.com/Rnqnbk.gif
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Megaton
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 18 Feb 2015
Posts: 17990

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:26 pm    Post subject:

I like the Kerry Kittles comparison.

Funny enough, Kittles also played for Villanova, 6í5, good shooter and defender...

Sounds like a solid one to me.
_________________
This Signature is now sponsored by Big Baller Brand
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
TheBlackMamba
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 23 Apr 2007
Posts: 6093

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:26 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
TheBlackMamba wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
mhan00 wrote:
Hartís final game of the season: 30 points, 5 boards, and 5 assists on 7 of 9 shooting from 3.

Dloís Final game of the season: 11 points, 1 board, 3 assists, and 4 turnovers, on 1 of 5 shooting from 3.

I think the sample size of one is enough to definitively declare that Hart is the future superstar and Dlo is the bust.

Seriously, though, when I first heard about the trade I was freaking out, but damn if Hartís emergence hasnít softened the blow a great deal. I still believe in Dlo, even after his disappointing year, but Hart and KUZ have been a revelation.

Since this is the new DLo thread, if he fails to become an All-Star, he'd be the first guard selected in the top three of a draft to do so since Jay Williams (whose career was cut short due to a motorcycle crash injury). Interesting.


That last bit was so mind-blowing I had to check it. Ben Gordon, OJ Mayo, (soon to be) Andrew Wiggins

EDIT - Evan Turner depending on whether you consider him a G or F?

Gordon and Mayo, you are right. Wiggins is not a guard.

I'll amend it to PGs and extend it back to 1984.


I get your point, though. I was kind of surprised at the lack of guards taken in the top 3 over the last 15 years, really.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Baron Von Humongous
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 02 Jul 2015
Posts: 11323

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:28 pm    Post subject:

tox wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
tox wrote:
30-5-5 jeez

For comparison, Fisher never scored 30 points in a regular season game his entire career, and didn't record 5 or more 20+ point games until his fourth season.

I didn't really get the Fisher comparison to begin with. For starters, Hart actually makes layups.

Well, I compare him to Courtney Lee with Fisher man strength, but I was just bringing up a recent long-standing role-player guard drafted by the Lakers as a comp. It seemed better than Jordan Farmar.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
justsomelakerfan
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 16 Jul 2016
Posts: 8851

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:30 pm    Post subject:

defense wrote:
LG has come a long way from "this guy is a scrub"

See early season comments.


I was not super thrilled about Hart pre-draft and shortly after. I figured he'd be solid in some sort of role eventually but geez he just fits with this team like a glove.
_________________
LET'S GO JAZZ
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Baron Von Humongous
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 02 Jul 2015
Posts: 11323

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:35 pm    Post subject:

TheBlackMamba wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
TheBlackMamba wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
mhan00 wrote:
Hartís final game of the season: 30 points, 5 boards, and 5 assists on 7 of 9 shooting from 3.

Dloís Final game of the season: 11 points, 1 board, 3 assists, and 4 turnovers, on 1 of 5 shooting from 3.

I think the sample size of one is enough to definitively declare that Hart is the future superstar and Dlo is the bust.

Seriously, though, when I first heard about the trade I was freaking out, but damn if Hartís emergence hasnít softened the blow a great deal. I still believe in Dlo, even after his disappointing year, but Hart and KUZ have been a revelation.

Since this is the new DLo thread, if he fails to become an All-Star, he'd be the first guard selected in the top three of a draft to do so since Jay Williams (whose career was cut short due to a motorcycle crash injury). Interesting.


That last bit was so mind-blowing I had to check it. Ben Gordon, OJ Mayo, (soon to be) Andrew Wiggins

EDIT - Evan Turner depending on whether you consider him a G or F?

Gordon and Mayo, you are right. Wiggins is not a guard.

I'll amend it to PGs and extend it back to 1984.


I get your point, though. I was kind of surprised at the lack of guards taken in the top 3 over the last 15 years, really.

Generally guards have had to be special to go top three in the draft over the years since bigs are so prized, though that may change in the new perimeter-oriented NBA. But I still expect Fultz, Ball, and Doncic to all be All-Stars eventually.

Anyway, I wouldn't be shocked if DLo ends up having a Baron Davis-ish career of professional success that could've been greater if he had a better work ethic.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
TheBlackMamba
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 23 Apr 2007
Posts: 6093

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:35 pm    Post subject:

I like Courtney Lee, too. But he's always been a super role player who looks like he could be much more than that, but never took the next step, whether because of his mentality, lack of opportunity, or whatever.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Baron Von Humongous
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 02 Jul 2015
Posts: 11323

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:37 pm    Post subject:

defense wrote:
LG has come a long way from "this guy is a scrub"

See early season comments.

I've been more on board with Josh than Kuzma. Win some, lose some.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    LakersGround.net Forum Index -> LA Lakers Lounge All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 93, 94, 95, 96  Next
Page 94 of 96
Jump to:  

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum






Graphics by uberzev
© 1995-2010 LakersGround.net. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy. Terms of Use.
LakersGround is an unofficial news source serving the fan community since 1995.
We are in no way associated with the Los Angeles Lakers or the National Basketball Association.


Powered by phpBB