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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:09 am    Post subject:

This kid is too good
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I think it's about time to change the thread's title...
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It's July, and this guy looks better than when he scored at least 20 points in his last 5 games, including 30 the final game on great 3 pt shooting. It stands to reason that he'll be even better by October.

When Miami got Shaq from the Lakers, they refused to put Dwyane Wade in the trade. The Lakers have three of those type of players that you should not trade, and that doesn't even include Ball, who I really like. Now we've seen great improvement from the least of our draft picks over the previous 2 years. We also know Ingram improved significantly last year and is likely to be at least a 20 ppg type scorer since he has the same type of work ethic Hart has shown, but with more time on his hand without being interrupted by Summer League. We know that Kuzma, whose scoring was identical to Ingrams, has been doing the same type of work too. Yet, there's people who look at this team and say they'll win 45 games with LeBron. HOW? They've said Minnesota is better because they have Butler, and Townes is an all star.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. To me, if you put LeBron with a highly capable shooting guard, small forward, and power forward, then throw Lonzo into the mix as the 2nd engine that makes that team go, I expect something very similar to that high-powered UCLA offense we saw a year ago. Then factor Rondo, who I dont like, as being backup (hopefully) pg.

I wouldn't trade any of these guys for Kawhi. Just take a chance and let him come on his own. To me, this team has a chance to be 'off the charts' good/efficient/great, and it shouldn't be tinkered with just so you can have the all star the media keeps urging Maglinka to mortgage the future for.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:42 am    Post subject:

Hart has DFisher's strength/mentality.

Can have a Danny Green type of impact, but has shown the ability to have more offensive creativity (Green is strictly catch and shoot).

Hard to find any kind of comp for that. But I absolutely want to keep him. He's part of a championship 8 man rotation IMO.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:47 am    Post subject:

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Hard to find any kind of comp for that. But I absolutely want to keep him. He's part of a championship 8 man rotation IMO.


He absolutely is!

He is talented and has the right mentality for the game. He's the type of guy you wanna keep forever. Just like Michael Cooper or D-Fish.
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Hard to find any kind of comp for that. But I absolutely want to keep him. He's part of a championship 8 man rotation IMO.


He absolutely is!

He is talented and has the right mentality for the game. He's the type of guy you wanna keep forever. Just like Michael Cooper or D-Fish.


Probably never gets an all star nod, but maybe...ironically, Byron Scott v.2.0.
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It's July, and this guy looks better than when he scored at least 20 points in his last 5 games, including 30 the final game on great 3 pt shooting. It stands to reason that he'll be even better by October.

When Miami got Shaq from the Lakers, they refused to put Dwyane Wade in the trade. The Lakers have three of those type of players that you should not trade, and that doesn't even include Ball, who I really like. Now we've seen great improvement from the least of our draft picks over the previous 2 years. We also know Ingram improved significantly last year and is likely to be at least a 20 ppg type scorer since he has the same type of work ethic Hart has shown, but with more time on his hand without being interrupted by Summer League. We know that Kuzma, whose scoring was identical to Ingrams, has been doing the same type of work too. Yet, there's people who look at this team and say they'll win 45 games with LeBron. HOW? They've said Minnesota is better because they have Butler, and Townes is an all star.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. To me, if you put LeBron with a highly capable shooting guard, small forward, and power forward, then throw Lonzo into the mix as the 2nd engine that makes that team go, I expect something very similar to that high-powered UCLA offense we saw a year ago. Then factor Rondo, who I dont like, as being backup (hopefully) pg.

I wouldn't trade any of these guys for Kawhi. Just take a chance and let him come on his own. To me, this team has a chance to be 'off the charts' good/efficient/great, and it shouldn't be tinkered with just so you can have the all star the media keeps urging Maglinka to mortgage the future for.


Dwayne Wade was a stud the first step he took in the NBA.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:06 am    Post subject:

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The only downside I see in Hart is that he his hyper aggression on some offensive plays could lead to an injury. His left handed dunk in traffic in the Knicks game looked spectacular. However, if he attempts shots like this a lot he runs the risk of getting upended by the guys like Matt Dellavedova.



Nah, not likely to be a problem at all. Take a look at his games from his first til now. Something very special and crucial: you will seldom see him on the floor unless it's a willful act.

He's got that Barkley base that's hard to move, and thus he's grounded very well, while still being able to get up high enough for left hand dunks. Of course in the air everyone is vulnerable.

That's why after a game last year, when he had I think about 14 rebounds, he stated he was "gettin' his Charles Barkley on", or something to that affect.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:10 am    Post subject:

He plays like anything between Danny Green and Jimmy Butler
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:16 am    Post subject:

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lakersboy wrote:
It's July, and this guy looks better than when he scored at least 20 points in his last 5 games, including 30 the final game on great 3 pt shooting. It stands to reason that he'll be even better by October.

When Miami got Shaq from the Lakers, they refused to put Dwyane Wade in the trade. The Lakers have three of those type of players that you should not trade, and that doesn't even include Ball, who I really like. Now we've seen great improvement from the least of our draft picks over the previous 2 years. We also know Ingram improved significantly last year and is likely to be at least a 20 ppg type scorer since he has the same type of work ethic Hart has shown, but with more time on his hand without being interrupted by Summer League. We know that Kuzma, whose scoring was identical to Ingrams, has been doing the same type of work too. Yet, there's people who look at this team and say they'll win 45 games with LeBron. HOW? They've said Minnesota is better because they have Butler, and Townes is an all star.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. To me, if you put LeBron with a highly capable shooting guard, small forward, and power forward, then throw Lonzo into the mix as the 2nd engine that makes that team go, I expect something very similar to that high-powered UCLA offense we saw a year ago. Then factor Rondo, who I dont like, as being backup (hopefully) pg.

I wouldn't trade any of these guys for Kawhi. Just take a chance and let him come on his own. To me, this team has a chance to be 'off the charts' good/efficient/great, and it shouldn't be tinkered with just so you can have the all star the media keeps urging Maglinka to mortgage the future for.


Dwayne Wade was a stud the first step he took in the NBA.

Which player among Hart, Ingram, or Kuzma do you think wont be on that level this season? The things Hart is showing he can do now are far beyond what he did last year.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:20 am    Post subject:

lakersboy wrote:
kawhileonard wrote:
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It's July, and this guy looks better than when he scored at least 20 points in his last 5 games, including 30 the final game on great 3 pt shooting. It stands to reason that he'll be even better by October.

When Miami got Shaq from the Lakers, they refused to put Dwyane Wade in the trade. The Lakers have three of those type of players that you should not trade, and that doesn't even include Ball, who I really like. Now we've seen great improvement from the least of our draft picks over the previous 2 years. We also know Ingram improved significantly last year and is likely to be at least a 20 ppg type scorer since he has the same type of work ethic Hart has shown, but with more time on his hand without being interrupted by Summer League. We know that Kuzma, whose scoring was identical to Ingrams, has been doing the same type of work too. Yet, there's people who look at this team and say they'll win 45 games with LeBron. HOW? They've said Minnesota is better because they have Butler, and Townes is an all star.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. To me, if you put LeBron with a highly capable shooting guard, small forward, and power forward, then throw Lonzo into the mix as the 2nd engine that makes that team go, I expect something very similar to that high-powered UCLA offense we saw a year ago. Then factor Rondo, who I dont like, as being backup (hopefully) pg.

I wouldn't trade any of these guys for Kawhi. Just take a chance and let him come on his own. To me, this team has a chance to be 'off the charts' good/efficient/great, and it shouldn't be tinkered with just so you can have the all star the media keeps urging Maglinka to mortgage the future for.


Dwayne Wade was a stud the first step he took in the NBA.

Which player among Hart, Ingram, or Kuzma do you think wont be on that level this season? The things Hart is showing he can do now are far beyond what he did last year.


Wade's level? None of them.

Hart is good, I like Hart (more than Lonzo actually), but Wade was a different beast
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:21 am    Post subject:

Yeah. Wade from day 1, you knew there was all star level talent. Much more explosive and a better ball handler/scorer.

I think Hart is more of a top 7 rotation, must-have rotation player type of guy.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:32 am    Post subject:

how good of a defender is this kid? That euro from Philly gets 40 one game Hart guards him and gets what 5 pts and last night Knox had 27 pts after 3 Hart goes on him and he gets 2 in the 4th qtr.

He is gonna just keep getting better too
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:33 am    Post subject:

Funny thing is if you think about it.

Out of all our guards, Hart is the most ideal fit at the pg position for team lebron...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:46 am    Post subject:

Hart is a star in this league and you can take that to the bank.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:55 am    Post subject:

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Hart is a star in this league and you can take that to the bank.


Yeah, I feel like if he had his own team, he could be an all-star one day. People on here don't seem to agree, but I think it would be possible. Would be tough on this team though.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:58 am    Post subject:

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Hart is a star in this league and you can take that to the bank.


Yeah, I feel like if he had his own team, he could be an all-star one day. People on here don't seem to agree, but I think it would be possible. Would be tough on this team though.


Gonna be tough for him to be an all star IMO.

I kid you not. I think he's going to be this team's Byron Scott. A good, but not all-star caliber player who is going to be essential to winning a championship.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:59 am    Post subject:

He's too good for summer league. I would actually consider pulling him from the rest of the games. But it has been a couple months since he last played, so it's not the worst thing in the world for him to get some run.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:12 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
leor_77 wrote:
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Hart is a star in this league and you can take that to the bank.


Yeah, I feel like if he had his own team, he could be an all-star one day. People on here don't seem to agree, but I think it would be possible. Would be tough on this team though.


Gonna be tough for him to be an all star IMO.

I kid you not. I think he's going to be this team's Byron Scott. A good, but not all-star caliber player who is going to be essential to winning a championship.


Yeah exactly this...

And that is completely okay. The fact that we got a player who can play closing mins in game 7 of a Finals is HUGE.

Kuz, BI, Zo, Hart, Moe, Svi, Zu

... our young core is pretty stellar and deeeeeep
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:24 am    Post subject:

I heard on the radio the other day that he specifically worked on his lateral quickness and defense in the off season.

I love how our young guys all work and we got rid of the ones who did not have the best work ethic.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:25 am    Post subject:

Glad Hart is getting some shine on him. He was injured last SPL and had to watch Zo and Kuz get all the praise and accolades. I remember him saying that he knew he could have the same kind of impact once he got meaningful PT. Glad to see him proving himself. Looking like a potential starting caliber wing, which is amazing for the last pick of the first round.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
leor_77 wrote:
Stumpy25 wrote:
Hart is a star in this league and you can take that to the bank.


Yeah, I feel like if he had his own team, he could be an all-star one day. People on here don't seem to agree, but I think it would be possible. Would be tough on this team though.


Gonna be tough for him to be an all star IMO.

I kid you not. I think he's going to be this team's Byron Scott. A good, but not all-star caliber player who is going to be essential to winning a championship.


Yeah exactly this...

And that is completely okay. The fact that we got a player who can play closing mins in game 7 of a Finals is HUGE.

Kuz, BI, Zo, Hart, Moe, Svi, Zu

... our young core is pretty stellar and deeeeeep


Upper tier talent (i.e. chance to be an all-star): LBJ, 2019 max FA, BI, Lonzo

"Elite role player": Kuz, Hart

Essential role player: Wagner, Svi

Others right now are on 1 year deals so who knows. But I think we need to go about it this way. Don't trade your young talent to pursue a max FA right now. Get that player in 2019.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:28 am    Post subject:

I'd rather we start Hart at the 2 over KCP whom I feel is redundant at this point with Hart having the higher upside.
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crazylakerfan001 wrote:
Love me some Josh “The Hitman” Hart


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kawhileonard wrote:
lakersboy wrote:
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It's July, and this guy looks better than when he scored at least 20 points in his last 5 games, including 30 the final game on great 3 pt shooting. It stands to reason that he'll be even better by October.

When Miami got Shaq from the Lakers, they refused to put Dwyane Wade in the trade. The Lakers have three of those type of players that you should not trade, and that doesn't even include Ball, who I really like. Now we've seen great improvement from the least of our draft picks over the previous 2 years. We also know Ingram improved significantly last year and is likely to be at least a 20 ppg type scorer since he has the same type of work ethic Hart has shown, but with more time on his hand without being interrupted by Summer League. We know that Kuzma, whose scoring was identical to Ingrams, has been doing the same type of work too. Yet, there's people who look at this team and say they'll win 45 games with LeBron. HOW? They've said Minnesota is better because they have Butler, and Townes is an all star.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. To me, if you put LeBron with a highly capable shooting guard, small forward, and power forward, then throw Lonzo into the mix as the 2nd engine that makes that team go, I expect something very similar to that high-powered UCLA offense we saw a year ago. Then factor Rondo, who I dont like, as being backup (hopefully) pg.

I wouldn't trade any of these guys for Kawhi. Just take a chance and let him come on his own. To me, this team has a chance to be 'off the charts' good/efficient/great, and it shouldn't be tinkered with just so you can have the all star the media keeps urging Maglinka to mortgage the future for.


Dwayne Wade was a stud the first step he took in the NBA.

Which player among Hart, Ingram, or Kuzma do you think wont be on that level this season? The things Hart is showing he can do now are far beyond what he did last year.


Wade's level? None of them.

Hart is good, I like Hart (more than Lonzo actually), but Wade was a different beast

Wade wasn't on Wade's level his rookie year, but it was apparent he had talent that could propel his team towards a championship. No doubt in my mind Ingram and Kuzma,, by this season, should be showing the type of talent. Hart already is.
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