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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:17 pm    Post subject:

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Hart should start over KCP. He’s better at everything


KCP is better coming off screens and better playing the passing lanes. For the record, I prefer Hart long-term and he's one of my favorite players.


KCP needs to be put on short leash shot selection wise this year, personally I think Hart is a better fit for the offense.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:36 pm    Post subject:

LakerLanny wrote:
OC Lakerfan wrote:
The Juggernaut wrote:
Hart should start over KCP. He’s better at everything


KCP is better coming off screens and better playing the passing lanes. For the record, I prefer Hart long-term and he's one of my favorite players.


KCP needs to be put on short leash shot selection wise this year, personally I think Hart is a better fit for the offense.


I think he's a better fit on both ends of the floor. Why? Well, supposedly (I believe they do) the Lakers place a premium on bballIQ. Josh, at least to me, is the unquestionable winner in that department.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:30 pm    Post subject:

Regardless if Hart or KCP starts I’m sure we can agree that one will be coming off the bench, along with Rondo & Kuzma, that’s a hell of a reserve unit if you ask me!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:33 pm    Post subject:

LakerLanny wrote:
OC Lakerfan wrote:
The Juggernaut wrote:
Hart should start over KCP. He’s better at everything


KCP is better coming off screens and better playing the passing lanes. For the record, I prefer Hart long-term and he's one of my favorite players.


KCP needs to be put on short leash shot selection wise this year, personally I think Hart is a better fit for the offense.


I feel the only reason he had such a big green light last season was because we lacked a primary creator/go to scorer. With the addition of LeBron I don’t think shot selection will be an issue if he does start. I’d love to see Hart on the starting unit but either way I’m rejoicing how good our bench will be this year! Considering our G League bench of last season!!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:58 pm    Post subject:

defense wrote:
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OC Lakerfan wrote:
The Juggernaut wrote:
Hart should start over KCP. He’s better at everything


KCP is better coming off screens and better playing the passing lanes. For the record, I prefer Hart long-term and he's one of my favorite players.


Do you have the numbers for that? Not saying you're wrong I'd just like to see the data of each players effectiveness by play type


Here are some numbers to draw your own conclusions.

KCP
ORPM .88
DRPM -0.32
RPM 0.56

Hart
ORPM 0.31
DRPM -1.04
RPM -0.73

KCP
OBPM .6
DBPM .4
BPM 1

Hart
OBPM -.3
DBPM .2
BPM -.1

not what you asked for but something to look at


This is awesome.. where do you get this incredible data from?
Also, what do the negatives signify?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:11 pm    Post subject:

He needs to cut back on basketball and get his stream game tighter
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:15 pm    Post subject:

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Starter level guard which means we have expandable $12mil KCP expiring and $4mil Lance expiring if there’s a disgruntled star that wants to come here
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:19 pm    Post subject:

I'd go with a starting backcourt of Ball/Hart. So much backcourt, so little down low.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:23 pm    Post subject:

I missed most of the game but it seems like at the end there was some sort of confrontation with Hart and scrub. Was something happening throughout the game with Hart and the scrub?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:33 pm    Post subject:

I love this kid. He's looking like a beast in summer league. I'm hoping he takes Lance's minutes as the season progresses.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:36 pm    Post subject:

I see no need to play Lance other than to piss off the other team.

Just run

Lonzo/Rondo
KCP/Josh
BI/Josh/Kuz
LeBron/Kuz
Javale/LeBron/Moe
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:10 am    Post subject:

Hart @ the '1'
Ingram @ the '2'
LeBron @ the '3'
Kuzma @ the '4'
Javale @ the 5 - notice the only set position here

As things stand this is our most dynamic line up on the offensive side im sure. Unless Lonzo comes back with a three pointer or driving capabilities, his playmaking I think wont really be needed.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:44 am    Post subject:

PauPau wrote:
Hart @ the '1'
Ingram @ the '2'
LeBron @ the '3'
Kuzma @ the '4'
Javale @ the 5 - notice the only set position here

As things stand this is our most dynamic line up on the offensive side im sure. Unless Lonzo comes back with a three pointer or driving capabilities, his playmaking I think wont really be needed.


No offense and welcome to the forum, but I disagree. Ingram at the 1 or 3 is ideal. Sometimes the 4. Hart at the 2 or 3. And Lebron at the 4 or 5.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:47 am    Post subject:

How many casual Lakers fan do you know from work or in real life think Josh Hart is trash or never even heard of him. This Lebron to the Lakers has all the stupids talking like they know (bleep).
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:43 am    Post subject:

AY2043 wrote:
I see no need to play Lance other than to piss off the other team.

Just run

Lonzo/Rondo
KCP/Josh
BI/Josh/Kuz
LeBron/Kuz
Javale/LeBron/Moe

I agree except that Kuzma will play Center this year quicker than he will play SF, and Deng will be the fifth member of the above PF/C quartet.

This team will be good and Stephenson will eventually have to understand that he’s here to be an old-ass Metta World Peace.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:00 am    Post subject:

governator wrote:
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Starter level guard which means we have expandable $12mil KCP expiring and $4mil Lance expiring if there’s a disgruntled star that wants to come here


One year contract players essentially have no trade clauses, so they ain't leaving unless they want to.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:05 am    Post subject:

AFireInside619 wrote:
PauPau wrote:
Hart @ the '1'
Ingram @ the '2'
LeBron @ the '3'
Kuzma @ the '4'
Javale @ the 5 - notice the only set position here

As things stand this is our most dynamic line up on the offensive side im sure. Unless Lonzo comes back with a three pointer or driving capabilities, his playmaking I think wont really be needed.


No offense and welcome to the forum, but I disagree. Ingram at the 1 or 3 is ideal. Sometimes the 4. Hart at the 2 or 3. And Lebron at the 4 or 5.


Third 'welcome' for me here, hope i can keep it going this time.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:04 am    Post subject:

PauPau wrote:
Hart @ the '1'
Ingram @ the '2'
LeBron @ the '3'
Kuzma @ the '4'
Javale @ the 5 - notice the only set position here

As things stand this is our most dynamic line up on the offensive side im sure. Unless Lonzo comes back with a three pointer or driving capabilities, his playmaking I think wont really be needed.


The most dynamic offensive lineup has a center that can only convert lobs and can't hit free throws?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:22 am    Post subject:

MickMgl wrote:
PauPau wrote:
Hart @ the '1'
Ingram @ the '2'
LeBron @ the '3'
Kuzma @ the '4'
Javale @ the 5 - notice the only set position here

As things stand this is our most dynamic line up on the offensive side im sure. Unless Lonzo comes back with a three pointer or driving capabilities, his playmaking I think wont really be needed.


The most dynamic offensive lineup has a center that can only convert lobs and can't hit free throws?
are you talking about capela? and the rockets who had a top offense? All you need from your center is that. Hard picks and lobs.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:37 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:13 pm    Post subject:

Hart looks like a poor man’s PG
Understatement?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:20 pm    Post subject:

KAJtheGOAT wrote:
Hart looks like a poor man’s PG
Understatement?


Against summer league? Sure, I'll take it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:28 pm    Post subject:

I think maybe its time for the thread title to move on from last year's draft...?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:36 pm    Post subject:

Dumhead wrote:
I think maybe its time for the thread title to move on from last year's draft...?


So true!

I personally hate player threads that are opened and then ignored/not maintained....this one is really drastic though.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:42 pm    Post subject:

KAJtheGOAT wrote:
Hart looks like a poor man’s PG
Understatement?


If PG goes to the hole like Hart, he'd be worth his $30 million. He's not a poor man's PG, he's an original Josh Hart.
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