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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:38 pm    Post subject:

Liked Hart in college, but he might not get a lot of playing time with Balls, KFC, Clarkson, etc.

His best shot is probably his defense and overall tenaciousness. He willed his team to so many wins in college. He is a winner.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:13 am    Post subject:

Nice article about Josh from his hometown (earlier this month): The new NBA recruit comes from humble roots.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:03 pm    Post subject:

In the brief time I saw him during SPL nothing popped out and said this guys a player. The truth of the matter is that guys that far down in the draft are really a crapshoot. If Kuzma alone turns out to be a player, I'd be delighted.
Having said that, I like mature players who are winners, so he's definitely worth hoping on.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:05 pm    Post subject:

JamaalWilkes wrote:
Liked Hart in college, but he might not get a lot of playing time with Balls, KFC, Clarkson, etc.

His best shot is probably his defense and overall tenaciousness. He willed his team to so many wins in college. He is a winner.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:20 am    Post subject:

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In the brief time I saw him during SPL nothing popped out and said this guys a player. The truth of the matter is that guys that far down in the draft are really a crapshoot. If Kuzma alone turns out to be a player, I'd be delighted.
Having said that, I like mature players who are winners, so he's definitely worth hoping on.
he had a couple of nice defensive stints where he keep his man in front of him. and on a take to the rack you could see his "grown man" strength kick in. especially looking at all of our skinny rooks, from dlo with the rail thin legs, to JC, now to ball. guys are going to get bullied by the likes of james harden, westbrook, derozan, etc. they are lucky most of these kids are coming in super early and are thin as heck. because they would have a hard time going up against the likes of kobe, paul pierce, vince carter, etc. dudes that are just as athletic but will also throw their weight & strength around a lot during the game.


check out the highlights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t4dkP_vXRs


now go back and watch his college highlights. remember when you see a guy do things in college then you see him do the very same things at the next level. it means his game can translate. which means he will be a lot more comfortable going to the next level seeing as he wont have to completely switch his game up for the new talent he will face.

for example. you see that big lebron looking kid they are talking about thats #2 in the nation still in highschool. Zion. in high school he's bigger/stronger and more athletic than pretty much everyone in HS across the country. will that be the case in college? Probably. will that be the case in the nba? if he keeps growing? Maybe. but if it isnt. and he still doesnt have a real jumper. he will have to change a lot of his game to exist in the nba. his regular game wont translate as well. this will make his transition to the big league harder. not impossible, just harder.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:34 am    Post subject:

I like was I saw from Josh (summer league) even though it was a small sample size.

It's possible that JH might even play a game or two in the G-league but he definitely has NBA talent. He'll get playing time because of his versatility, hustle, IQ & grit.

He's a proven winner and will consistently give 100% effort.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:38 am    Post subject:

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I like was I saw from Josh (summer league) even though it was a small sample size.

It's possible that JH might even play a game or two in the G-league but he definitely has NBA talent. He'll get playing time because of his versatility, hustle, IQ & grit.

He's a proven winner and will consistently give 100% effort.


I see him as the next Gary Neal or JJ Barea which is a good expectation for Hart.
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Inspector Gadget wrote:
pio2u wrote:
I like was I saw from Josh (summer league) even though it was a small sample size.

It's possible that JH might even play a game or two in the G-league but he definitely has NBA talent. He'll get playing time because of his versatility, hustle, IQ & grit.

He's a proven winner and will consistently give 100% effort.


I see him as the next Gary Neal or JJ Barea which is a good expectation for Hart.
gary neal with better defense.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:12 am    Post subject:

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Really happy with this pick. Seems like a tough-minded winner who can shoot. Can never have too many of those types of players.


I agree, he is a strong tough player, solid defender and a willing passer. That injury was unfortunate for the summer league. But I am looking forward to seeing him this coming season.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:12 pm    Post subject:

He reminds me of Derek Fisher the way he competes.

Solid late pick
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:15 pm    Post subject:

nash wrote:
He reminds me of Derek Fisher the way he competes.

Solid late pick


Exactly. I saw some D-Fish in him as well. Especially when you watch him live.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:16 pm    Post subject:

nash wrote:
He reminds me of Derek Fisher the way he competes.

Solid late pick


I got that Dfish vibe from him as well.
Hopefully he'll hit some big shots for us as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:07 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
nash wrote:
He reminds me of Derek Fisher the way he competes.

Solid late pick


I got that Dfish vibe from him as well.
Hopefully he'll hit some big shots for us as well.


If he can keep us competitive while starters are resting it is enough, anything beyond that would be great for a late pick without elite athleticism os skills.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:53 pm    Post subject:

nash wrote:
He reminds me of Derek Fisher the way he competes.

Solid late pick


BINGO!

That's exactly what I felt. He's poised, tenacious and relentless.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:50 pm    Post subject:

nash wrote:
epak wrote:
nash wrote:
He reminds me of Derek Fisher the way he competes.

Solid late pick


I got that Dfish vibe from him as well.
Hopefully he'll hit some big shots for us as well.


If he can keep us competitive while starters are resting it is enough, anything beyond that would be great for a late pick without elite athleticism os skills.


You gotta admit, Dfish without the clutch shots was pretty bad.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:00 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
nash wrote:
epak wrote:
nash wrote:
He reminds me of Derek Fisher the way he competes.

Solid late pick


I got that Dfish vibe from him as well.
Hopefully he'll hit some big shots for us as well.


If he can keep us competitive while starters are resting it is enough, anything beyond that would be great for a late pick without elite athleticism os skills.


You gotta admit, Dfish without the clutch shots was pretty bad.


On paper I'd agree. But he had some kind of effect on Kobe I can't really quantify. He helped bring the best out of Kobe, IMO.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:01 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
nash wrote:
epak wrote:
nash wrote:
He reminds me of Derek Fisher the way he competes.

Solid late pick


I got that Dfish vibe from him as well.
Hopefully he'll hit some big shots for us as well.


If he can keep us competitive while starters are resting it is enough, anything beyond that would be great for a late pick without elite athleticism os skills.


You gotta admit, Dfish without the clutch shots was pretty bad.


Not in his prime he wasn't. He was definitely serviceable and a really solid player.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:47 pm    Post subject:

Now that he's signed, how about to rename this as an OFFICIAL thread?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:59 pm    Post subject:

nash wrote:
He reminds me of Derek Fisher the way he competes.

Solid late pick


Hart has also shown being able to finish around the rim at 6'6". I can't wait to see more.
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splashmtn wrote:
kevin61 wrote:
In the brief time I saw him during SPL nothing popped out and said this guys a player. The truth of the matter is that guys that far down in the draft are really a crapshoot. If Kuzma alone turns out to be a player, I'd be delighted.
Having said that, I like mature players who are winners, so he's definitely worth hoping on.
he had a couple of nice defensive stints where he keep his man in front of him. and on a take to the rack you could see his "grown man" strength kick in. especially looking at all of our skinny rooks, from dlo with the rail thin legs, to JC, now to ball. guys are going to get bullied by the likes of james harden, westbrook, derozan, etc. they are lucky most of these kids are coming in super early and are thin as heck. because they would have a hard time going up against the likes of kobe, paul pierce, vince carter, etc. dudes that are just as athletic but will also throw their weight & strength around a lot during the game.


check out the highlights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t4dkP_vXRs


now go back and watch his college highlights. remember when you see a guy do things in college then you see him do the very same things at the next level. it means his game can translate. which means he will be a lot more comfortable going to the next level seeing as he wont have to completely switch his game up for the new talent he will face.

for example. you see that big lebron looking kid they are talking about thats #2 in the nation still in highschool. Zion. in high school he's bigger/stronger and more athletic than pretty much everyone in HS across the country. will that be the case in college? Probably. will that be the case in the nba? if he keeps growing? Maybe. but if it isnt. and he still doesnt have a real jumper. he will have to change a lot of his game to exist in the nba. his regular game wont translate as well. this will make his transition to the big league harder. not impossible, just harder.


Took a look at the video. You bring up a good point, he is strong.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:55 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
nash wrote:
epak wrote:
nash wrote:
He reminds me of Derek Fisher the way he competes.

Solid late pick


I got that Dfish vibe from him as well.
Hopefully he'll hit some big shots for us as well.


If he can keep us competitive while starters are resting it is enough, anything beyond that would be great for a late pick without elite athleticism os skills.


You gotta admit, Dfish without the clutch shots was pretty bad.


I wouldn't go as far as saying bad. That he started on four separate championship squads is probably the biggest testament to who he was as a basketball player. He's one of those players that advanced statistics will never support under most circumstances (except maybe clutch data), although one has to be dubious of some of the metrics because chemistry, fit, rotations are not adequately factored in. He just did other things well enough that warranted the starting role. His individual defense obviously left a lot to be desired, although Bertka said his team defense in was crucial to the Lakers success in 2001:
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Assistant coach Bill Bertka, however, believed a key factor in the team's struggles was the team's defense without Fisher.[11][12] Fisher returned on March 13, 2001, upgrading the Lakers' defense, and he started the final 20 games of the season, averaging 11.5 points per game. Harper had been the regular starter, but he was sidelined since February 13 with injuries to both knees


I think Hart's ceiling is much higher, but I'd be ecstatic if he turns out to be a "Derek Fisher".
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:21 pm    Post subject:

Let's see what he can do, could be the JC replacement for the 2018 season.
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NBALakerLegends wrote:
epak wrote:
nash wrote:
epak wrote:
nash wrote:
He reminds me of Derek Fisher the way he competes.

Solid late pick


I got that Dfish vibe from him as well.
Hopefully he'll hit some big shots for us as well.


If he can keep us competitive while starters are resting it is enough, anything beyond that would be great for a late pick without elite athleticism os skills.


You gotta admit, Dfish without the clutch shots was pretty bad.


Not in his prime he wasn't. He was definitely serviceable and a really solid player.


Nobody would be disappointed in a D Fish ceiling, but Hart has offensive tools that D Fish Never had (for example, Fish never really developed a floater, Hart def has one already... Fisher also had to work on his midrange and 3 point shot, Hart seems to already have his jumper) he's also a little bit bigger and seems to be quicker laterally which gives him a higher ceiling defensively. Hopefully this season he at least replaces the defensive presence we lost with Nwaba and gives us more on the offensive side then Nwaba did (which is not asking much)
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DanielKetch wrote:
NBALakerLegends wrote:
epak wrote:
nash wrote:
epak wrote:
nash wrote:
He reminds me of Derek Fisher the way he competes.

Solid late pick


I got that Dfish vibe from him as well.
Hopefully he'll hit some big shots for us as well.


If he can keep us competitive while starters are resting it is enough, anything beyond that would be great for a late pick without elite athleticism os skills.


You gotta admit, Dfish without the clutch shots was pretty bad.


Not in his prime he wasn't. He was definitely serviceable and a really solid player.


Nobody would be disappointed in a D Fish ceiling, but Hart has offensive tools that D Fish Never had (for example, Fish never really developed a floater, Hart def has one already... Fisher also had to work on his midrange and 3 point shot, Hart seems to already have his jumper) he's also a little bit bigger and seems to be quicker laterally which gives him a higher ceiling defensively. Hopefully this season he at least replaces the defensive presence we lost with Nwaba and gives us more on the offensive side then Nwaba did (which is not asking much)


I don't think they play like each other, it is about the way they are both fierce competitors that will not back down to anyone.

Fisher had some atrocious series against some quick PG when he was badly exposed on defense, but he was never one running away from a battle and Hart seems to have this quality, he plays like a winner even when it is clear he is not the most physical gifted or talented player on the floor.


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If Josh reaches D-Fish levels we are in good shape!
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