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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:04 am    Post subject:

Good job though the competition was SL quality. I am excited to see him against better talent.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:44 pm    Post subject:

Underrated quality is he's a very good finisher. That's BIG.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:52 pm    Post subject:

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Hart plays both ends and can hit threes. Ennis seems a very capable backup point guard that can pass.

Clarkson needs to find his shot, and soon.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:53 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Underrated quality is he's a very good finisher. That's BIG.


I want to see it against NBA bigs, didn't look to have special finishing tools to me. DX skeptical https://youtu.be/n34b6m4i41E?t=3m0s
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:56 pm    Post subject:

He did show good finishing as well in summer league, when his shot wasn't going in he showed an uncanny ability to finish through contact and power through. Last night I saw the same thing on the layup he made.

Seems to be a good thing for him.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:04 pm    Post subject:

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He did show good finishing as well in summer league, when his shot wasn't going in he showed an uncanny ability to finish through contact and power through. Last night I saw the same thing on the layup he made.

Seems to be a good thing for him.


Ya he finished well in SL. He used pure strength most of the time in college to help him finish. His layup last night was solid, it was with :16 left in the game against a SG - and he forced him into a tough attempt. I'm with DX I have my doubts - his creativity is average
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:37 pm    Post subject:

Hart could start this year. If he consistently plays good D, and hits open threes he could force the coaching staff to give him 20+ minutes just like Kuzma is doing.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:47 am    Post subject:

Josh Hart has value as a mature, solid defender. His offensive game is good too. He will earn more playing time as the season unfolds.

* Rookie Josh Hart wants to help reverse the Lakers’ defensive struggles

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While the entire defensive culture may be a lot to put on the shoulders of one 22-year-old rookie guard, Hart sees defense as his way onto the floor. For a team that has ranked last in defensive efficiency the last two years, Hart’s mentality is refreshing.

“I take defense personally,” he said. “When somebody scores on me I don’t care if it’s a good move or what. That infuriates me. I don’t like getting scored on, I take that personally.”


http://www.ocregister.com/2017/10/05/rookie-josh-hart-wants-to-help-reverse-the-lakers-defensive-struggles/
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:51 am    Post subject:

Hart can play defense, hit threes and seems to have the strength to finish through contact when chased off the three point line.

Clarkson is likely very worried, because what if Hart turns into "Clarkson but with defense and a three point shot"
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:13 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Hart can play defense, hit threes and seems to have the strength to finish through contact when chased off the three point line.

Clarkson is likely very worried, because what if Hart turns into "Clarkson but with defense and a three point shot"


maybe he can consult with Julius, because Kuzma has him scared sh**less.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:19 am    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
MJST wrote:
He did show good finishing as well in summer league, when his shot wasn't going in he showed an uncanny ability to finish through contact and power through. Last night I saw the same thing on the layup he made.

Seems to be a good thing for him.


Ya he finished well in SL. He used pure strength most of the time in college to help him finish. His layup last night was solid, it was with :16 left in the game against a SG - and he forced him into a tough attempt. I'm with DX I have my doubts - his creativity is average


he struggled in college whenever he could not simply overpower his defender. If I recall, it was in the game 'Nova was eliminated by Wisconsin where this was on display....all game he just put his head down and drove to the basket as he had always did, but Wisconsin was too big and physical and was shutting it down.....then on the last possession, 'Nova needed to score, they give it too Hart, tries to barrel into the lane and was denied again.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:32 am    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
MJST wrote:
He did show good finishing as well in summer league, when his shot wasn't going in he showed an uncanny ability to finish through contact and power through. Last night I saw the same thing on the layup he made.

Seems to be a good thing for him.


Ya he finished well in SL. He used pure strength most of the time in college to help him finish. His layup last night was solid, it was with :16 left in the game against a SG - and he forced him into a tough attempt. I'm with DX I have my doubts - his creativity is average


he struggled in college whenever he could not simply overpower his defender. If I recall, it was in the game 'Nova was eliminated by Wisconsin where this was on display....all game he just put his head down and drove to the basket as he had always did, but Wisconsin was too big and physical and was shutting it down.....then on the last possession, 'Nova needed to score, they give it too Hart, tries to barrel into the lane and was denied again.


Of course bully-ball won't work too often at this level.

However Hart has a level of maturity and craftiness in him that will allow him to adjust his game in order to play to his strengths and take what the defense gives him.
It's refreshing to hear him talk defense and actually try to back it up. It's maybe too early (in his career) for him to be a lock-down defender in the NBA until he figures it out.
Until then if he plays team ball with effort and intensity he will be just fine.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:08 pm    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
MJST wrote:
He did show good finishing as well in summer league, when his shot wasn't going in he showed an uncanny ability to finish through contact and power through. Last night I saw the same thing on the layup he made.

Seems to be a good thing for him.


Ya he finished well in SL. He used pure strength most of the time in college to help him finish. His layup last night was solid, it was with :16 left in the game against a SG - and he forced him into a tough attempt. I'm with DX I have my doubts - his creativity is average


That was his typical finish at the NCAA level, and he finished at a high rate in college too. I'm not as concerned because while he's not a prolific dunker, he does bring strength against contact and has some touch.

My primary concern is, his court vision/playmaking completely narrows the closer he gets to the basket. But, dude was 70.3% at the rim last season. No wonder why he takes those shots.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:57 am    Post subject:

If he can bring defensive intensity the way he is talking about, then he needs to play.

The fact that he mentioned "taking getting scored on personally" if true is exactly the mentality the team needs to start taking on and pronto.

For defense to improve, it is the players who need to pull together and hold one another accountable. I am hopeful that Lopez and Bogut will improve it, but I have to admit I am skeptical after what we have seen so far.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:07 am    Post subject:

I'd like Hart to craft his game after Afflalo, who was always one of my favorite players in the league. Full of heart on defense, can shoot, brings all the intangibles. This team desperately needs a guard like that.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:28 pm    Post subject:

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speaking to Tania Ganguli of the Los Angeles Times, Walton commented on Hart’s debut and talked highly of his performance.

“He was good,” Walton said. “He gambled a couple of times on defense but for the most part he was solid and knocked down some shots for us. He is a tough young man, which is something we need on this team. For his first game, he did a good job.”


https://lakeshowlife.com/2017/10/06/los-angeles-lakers-luke-walton-impressed-josh-hart-debut/
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:02 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:10 pm    Post subject:

he will be ok....he just has to be ready when he gets his opportunity, which will probably be a little later in the season. I doubt he gets many minutes early in the season, but something will happen....he will get an opportunity to show what he can do in the NBA.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:58 am    Post subject:

My excitement about what Hart can bring is based on the FO doing an excellent job through the draft. They picked him over Bell, whom I liked, and a few others.

They scouted him just like Kuzma, and he's a gem. I'm expecting nothing less from Josh.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:49 pm    Post subject:

I am a big Hart fan! I think that he will get a lot of minutes this season. I think this team misses Nwaba and Hart can fill that role. Not the same kind of athlete, but he is a smart player and has better offense.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:35 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
MJST wrote:
Hart can play defense, hit threes and seems to have the strength to finish through contact when chased off the three point line.

Clarkson is likely very worried, because what if Hart turns into "Clarkson but with defense and a three point shot"


maybe he can consult with Julius, because Kuzma has him scared sh**less.
why be that afraid. when at the moment all kuz can do is score. he can't stop any centers which they have put randle on some already. Kuz can kind of guard quicker tweener bigs like himself. which randle can too. but randle is a real rebounder. kuz right now is not. randle and kuz both can pass. remember they have taken away randles passing duties and giving them to the pg's(ball, ennis, and caruso).

I hope you do realize the only reason Kuuz is able to get out in transition ahead of the defense is because he's not rebounding. he's leaving that up to Lopez, Zubac, nance, randle and pre injury...Zo.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:26 pm    Post subject:

The kid is a gamer on defense and can knock a shot or two down on offense. What's not to like? He looks comfortable out there for a rookie and fits in pretty well. Luke needs to find a way to get him more minutes, especially when Lonzo's out and our back court rotation isn't exactly a murderers' row of talent. He's gotta play at least 20-25 minutes in the last game of the preseason. Give him his shot to crack the regular season rotation.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:20 am    Post subject:

He’s going to take over primary G backup duties once Clarkson is traded, or even if we decide to move KCP in season. I wouldn’t even be surprised if Hart provides the same type of production KCP can with a bit more seasoning. He seems to have a high b-ball IQ and the ability to D up. Not sure he has the speed to stick with PG’s which will limit his upside.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:12 am    Post subject:

splashmtn wrote:
adkindo wrote:
MJST wrote:
Hart can play defense, hit threes and seems to have the strength to finish through contact when chased off the three point line.

Clarkson is likely very worried, because what if Hart turns into "Clarkson but with defense and a three point shot"


maybe he can consult with Julius, because Kuzma has him scared sh**less.
why be that afraid. when at the moment all kuz can do is score. he can't stop any centers which they have put randle on some already. Kuz can kind of guard quicker tweener bigs like himself. which randle can too. but randle is a real rebounder. kuz right now is not. randle and kuz both can pass. remember they have taken away randles passing duties and giving them to the pg's(ball, ennis, and caruso).

I hope you do realize the only reason Kuuz is able to get out in transition ahead of the defense is because he's not rebounding. he's leaving that up to Lopez, Zubac, nance, randle and pre injury...Zo.


was simply playing with MJST....Randle's most vocal supporter on LG
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:03 am    Post subject:

Josh has been solid so far. His defensive intensity and effort is real.

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