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Megaton Retired Number
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Bol Star Player
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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Car54 wrote: | VujacicForThree wrote: | AC Green's V-Card wrote: | Hart was fantastic tonight. Manned up on defense, grabbed some key rebounds, hit a few clutch shots. He should be absolutely getting regular minutes if healthy. |
Ok Byron I really like Hart's play. Played under control, hit clutch shots, and played tough D. He needs more minutes. |
Give him Ingrams I'm tired of him passing up open shots. |
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BigBoi Star Player
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Josh Hart, battling Kuzma for the title of steal of the draft, very solid game tonight, glad his achilles is holding up well |
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socalsp3 Star Player
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Never seen this guy make a bad play. Solid defense and clutch. Needs more mins. Forget caruso and ennis |
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unleasHell Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Hart was good tonight...! _________________ “Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.” |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Ennis better bring it or he becomes salary fillers |
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4OnTheFloor Star Player
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governator wrote: | Ennis better bring it or he becomes salary fillers |
Ennis is garbage. Clarkston should be back up PG with Hart at the 2. |
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LuciusAllen Star Player
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unleasHell wrote: | Hart was good tonight...! |
He strikes me as one of those tough-as-nails guys that any championship team needs. Hopefully that portrayal will come to pass with the Lakers. |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:08 am Post subject: |
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Josh Hart is clearly ahead of Ennis and Caruso. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:09 am Post subject: |
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danzag wrote: | Josh Hart is clearly ahead of Ennis and Caruso. |
In what?
I'd give handles and passing to guys that arent Hart. |
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Dr. Funkbot Star Player
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socalsp3 wrote: | Never seen this guy make a bad play. Solid defense and clutch. Needs more mins. Forget caruso and ennis |
Technically Hart is a shooting guard. But I do like where this is going. Have JC be the back up PG like he was last night and Hart is our back up SG.
Hart is solid and looks ready to contribute now. _________________ R.I.P. Doc Buss |
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2019 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:08 am Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | danzag wrote: | Josh Hart is clearly ahead of Ennis and Caruso. |
In what?
I'd give handles and passing to guys that arent Hart. |
yet neither seem to make winning plays the way Hart can/did last night.
Hart is ready to play now and unlike Caruso and Ennis who are both borderline talent, Hart looks like a guy who can have a 10+ year career as a really good role playing SG.
If I'm Luke, I'm moving Kuzma to the starting 5 and then running a second unit of Randle/Nance/Brewer/Hart/JC
That unit is gritty, though, athletic, can defend, and will push the hell out of the ball. Kuz in that starting 5 gives us a unit that can actually have more than one shooting threat and provides the spacing for Lonzo to operate and lanes for Ingram to take advantage of. |
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danzag wrote: | Josh Hart is clearly ahead of Ennis and Caruso. |
but they play different positions? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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2019 wrote: | epak wrote: | danzag wrote: | Josh Hart is clearly ahead of Ennis and Caruso. |
In what?
I'd give handles and passing to guys that arent Hart. |
yet neither seem to make winning plays the way Hart can/did last night.
Hart is ready to play now and unlike Caruso and Ennis who are both borderline talent, Hart looks like a guy who can have a 10+ year career as a really good role playing SG.
If I'm Luke, I'm moving Kuzma to the starting 5 and then running a second unit of Randle/Nance/Brewer/Hart/JC
That unit is gritty, though, athletic, can defend, and will push the hell out of the ball. Kuz in that starting 5 gives us a unit that can actually have more than one shooting threat and provides the spacing for Lonzo to operate and lanes for Ingram to take advantage of. |
OK. So you're criteria is winning plays? Fair.
Which games can we use for that?
Ennis made winning plays last year down the stretch.
Alex made winning plays in summer league.
Are you using the 1 game by Hart? Or other games as well? |
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2019 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:13 am Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | 2019 wrote: | epak wrote: | danzag wrote: | Josh Hart is clearly ahead of Ennis and Caruso. |
In what?
I'd give handles and passing to guys that arent Hart. |
yet neither seem to make winning plays the way Hart can/did last night.
Hart is ready to play now and unlike Caruso and Ennis who are both borderline talent, Hart looks like a guy who can have a 10+ year career as a really good role playing SG.
If I'm Luke, I'm moving Kuzma to the starting 5 and then running a second unit of Randle/Nance/Brewer/Hart/JC
That unit is gritty, though, athletic, can defend, and will push the hell out of the ball. Kuz in that starting 5 gives us a unit that can actually have more than one shooting threat and provides the spacing for Lonzo to operate and lanes for Ingram to take advantage of. |
OK. So you're criteria is winning plays? Fair.
Which games can we use for that?
Ennis made winning plays last year down the stretch.
Alex made winning plays in summer league.
Are you using the 1 game by Hart? Or other games as well? |
I've watched Hart enough at the collegiate level in championship games to know that he's a gamer. He has the talent, the athletic ability, the heart, and the mindset.
Caruso is the lowest form of a roster spot in the NBA- I don't think he even belongs in this convo.
Ennis did look good last year in meaningless games but I think he's a third string guy. |
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Laker's Fan Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:30 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | danzag wrote: | Josh Hart is clearly ahead of Ennis and Caruso. |
but they play different positions? |
Could see Jordan start to spend more time at backup PG with Hart filling a larger reserve SG role. Having an attack guard lead the 2nd unit worked pretty well last year. If you put Jordan in the Lou role and Hart in the Jordan role, you get better defense overall while Hart is an elite finisher himself (even though he needs the offense to produce the opportunity a bit more than Lou or Jordan do).
Man we had a good draft. I'm almost expecting Bryant to become a starting quality Center by the end of the season. _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night. |
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Dr. Funkbot Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:33 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | danzag wrote: | Josh Hart is clearly ahead of Ennis and Caruso. |
but they play different positions? |
JC backs up PG and Hart SG. _________________ R.I.P. Doc Buss |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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2019 wrote: | epak wrote: | 2019 wrote: | epak wrote: | danzag wrote: | Josh Hart is clearly ahead of Ennis and Caruso. |
In what?
I'd give handles and passing to guys that arent Hart. |
yet neither seem to make winning plays the way Hart can/did last night.
Hart is ready to play now and unlike Caruso and Ennis who are both borderline talent, Hart looks like a guy who can have a 10+ year career as a really good role playing SG.
If I'm Luke, I'm moving Kuzma to the starting 5 and then running a second unit of Randle/Nance/Brewer/Hart/JC
That unit is gritty, though, athletic, can defend, and will push the hell out of the ball. Kuz in that starting 5 gives us a unit that can actually have more than one shooting threat and provides the spacing for Lonzo to operate and lanes for Ingram to take advantage of. |
OK. So you're criteria is winning plays? Fair.
Which games can we use for that?
Ennis made winning plays last year down the stretch.
Alex made winning plays in summer league.
Are you using the 1 game by Hart? Or other games as well? |
I've watched Hart enough at the collegiate level in championship games to know that he's a gamer. He has the talent, the athletic ability, the heart, and the mindset.
Caruso is the lowest form of a roster spot in the NBA- I don't think he even belongs in this convo.
Ennis did look good last year in meaningless games but I think he's a third string guy. |
I'm not saying Hart won't become better than Ennis and Alex.
I just wanted to know your criteria. As well as the OP's criteria for saying he's better.
So you're using Hart's college days. Aren't there examples of guys who made winning plays in college who ended up being an unmentionable in the nba? So Ennis' games last year were meaningless. Alex's games in SL were meaningless I suppose as well. But Hart's college games were meaningful.
So anything tangible we can use to say which is better? |
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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Ennis needs to be cut. Let Hart be the backup SG and JC backup PG. I've been impressed so far with Hart's play on both ends. Seems like he plays within himself and brings good effort on defense. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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If we're comparing Hart to Ennis/Caruso, he's better off-ball, defending, rebounding, and finishing in transition than both of them. It's apparent in watching the film as well as the stats (albeit in the most extreme of small sample sizes). Having a second unit backcourt of Clarkson/Hart is definitely worth a look. Adding in Brewer, Randle, and Kuzma or Nance makes that a formidable transition unit. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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AC Green's V-Card wrote: | If we're comparing Hart to Ennis/Caruso, he's better off-ball, defending, rebounding, and finishing in transition than both of them. It's apparent in watching the film as well as the stats (albeit in the most extreme of small sample sizes). Having a second unit backcourt of Clarkson/Hart is definitely worth a look. Adding in Brewer, Randle, and Kuzma or Nance makes that a formidable transition unit. |
Thanks for providing some skills we can observe
I'll keep an eye out for it. From what you've seen, was that in college? Or are you talking about preseason?
It's a shame he got hurt in SL. And he was inactive in game 1.
Played only 2:20 in game 2.
I'm all for giving him a chance. If JC does play more PG going forward, I believe Hart will get plenty of opportunities. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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Ennis and Caruso should get no mins if Heart is healthy. Zero. |
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Fracture wrote: | Ennis and Caruso should get no mins if Heart is healthy. Zero. |
So you're all in on JC being the backup pg right? |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Dr. Funkbot wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | danzag wrote: | Josh Hart is clearly ahead of Ennis and Caruso. |
but they play different positions? |
JC backs up PG and Hart SG. |
This is it. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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Hart needs more time because hes a better DEFENDER.
If anyone has noticed, it's our D that's the problem, has been the problem, and will be the problem in the foreseeable future.
We are giving up 70 a half and it's sickening. I get that the way we are playing lends itself to easy buckets when we miss, but at some point something's got to change. Hart has always been known as a defensive guy. From what iv'e seen, hes poised and doesn't make too many mistakes. |
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