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nomoreshaq Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:22 pm Post subject: 2018/2019 Salary |
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Deng - 18
Clarkson - 12.5
BI - 5.7
Randle - Cap Hold
Nance - 2.2
Zubac - 1.5
Ball - ?
Kuzma - ?
Hart - ?
Bryant - ?
we'll have 1 second rounder next year but no first rounder.
do we still need to clear out space to sign PG13 outright? |
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parsons777 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Current year/Summer 2018
Julius Randle PF 23 $4,149,242 $12,500,000 (hold)
Brandon Ingram SF 20 $5,519,400 $5,757,120
Ball PG 19 $4,400,000 $5,519,400
Ivica Zubac C 20 $1,312,611 $1,544,911
Jordan Clarkson SG 25 $11,562,500 $12,500,000
Deng SF 32 $17,190,000 $18,000,000
Larry Nance Jr. PF 24 $1,471,382 $2,272,391
$59 mill, 2 $30 mill slots, assuming we waive everybody else*
*my bad, $46 M open without stretching Deng
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Batguano Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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parsons777 wrote: | Current year/Summer 2018
Julius Randle PF 23 $4,149,242 $12,500,000 (hold)
Brandon Ingram SF 20 $5,519,400 $5,757,120
Ball PG 19 $4,400,000 $5,519,400
Ivica Zubac C 20 $1,312,611 $1,544,911
Jordan Clarkson SG 25 $11,562,500 $12,500,000
Deng SF 32 $17,190,000 $18,000,000
Larry Nance Jr. PF 24 $1,471,382 $2,272,391
$59 mill, 2 $30 mill slots, assuming we waive everybody else |
What if we stretch Deng, or are able to unload him in a trade? |
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parsons777 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Batguano wrote: | parsons777 wrote: | Current year/Summer 2018
Julius Randle PF 23 $4,149,242 $12,500,000 (hold)
Brandon Ingram SF 20 $5,519,400 $5,757,120
Ball PG 19 $4,400,000 $5,519,400
Ivica Zubac C 20 $1,312,611 $1,544,911
Jordan Clarkson SG 25 $11,562,500 $12,500,000
Deng SF 32 $17,190,000 $18,000,000
Larry Nance Jr. PF 24 $1,471,382 $2,272,391
$59 mill, 2 $30 mill slots, assuming we waive everybody else |
What if we stretch Deng, or are able to unload him in a trade? |
Glad you asked. If we stretch Deng, we drop to only $47.5 M. My math was salaries minus tax, not minus cap. IF the cap is $105 we have almost $60 after we stretch Deng.
If we move JC, we drop to $35 M, with $70 M in room. |
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dont_be_a_wuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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parsons777 wrote: | Current year/Summer 2018
Julius Randle PF 23 $4,149,242 $12,500,000 (hold)
Brandon Ingram SF 20 $5,519,400 $5,757,120
Ball PG 19 $4,400,000 $5,519,400
Ivica Zubac C 20 $1,312,611 $1,544,911
Jordan Clarkson SG 25 $11,562,500 $12,500,000
Deng SF 32 $17,190,000 $18,000,000
Larry Nance Jr. PF 24 $1,471,382 $2,272,391
$59 mill, 2 $30 mill slots, assuming we waive everybody else |
I think you have the wrong year for the rookie scale. Lonzo will also get 120% of the scale as all the other guys have gotten I would expect. $7,461,960 in 2018-2019.
Batguano wrote: |
What if we stretch Deng, or are able to unload him in a trade? |
Including Lonzo, #27, #30 all getting 120% of the scale I have a total obligation of $56.45M if we keep Deng and $45.81 if we stretch him. If the cap is $103 M that is $46.554M cap space or $56.840
$18,000,000
$12,500,000
$5,757,120
$5,564,134
$7,461,960
$2,272,390
$1,544,951
$1,655,160
$1,689,840
$56,445,555 |
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nomoreshaq Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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so assuming our cap is 103, how much do we have open if we keep deng and then if stretch deng (with lonzo 120%)
and how much is LBJ and PG13 max? |
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dont_be_a_wuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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nomoreshaq wrote: | so assuming our cap is 103, how much do we have open if we keep deng and then if stretch deng (with lonzo 120%)
and how much is LBJ and PG13 max? |
We are gonna be $10 million short even if we stretch Deng. Full price for those two is $67M. If we trade for Paul George, and he agrees to pick up his option, it all works out perfectly though. That has to be the ultimate plan. |
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parsons777 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | parsons777 wrote: | Current year/Summer 2018
Julius Randle PF 23 $4,149,242 $12,500,000 (hold)
Brandon Ingram SF 20 $5,519,400 $5,757,120
Ball PG 19 $4,400,000 $5,519,400
Ivica Zubac C 20 $1,312,611 $1,544,911
Jordan Clarkson SG 25 $11,562,500 $12,500,000
Deng SF 32 $17,190,000 $18,000,000
Larry Nance Jr. PF 24 $1,471,382 $2,272,391
$59 mill, 2 $30 mill slots, assuming we waive everybody else |
I think you have the wrong year for the rookie scale. Lonzo will also get 120% of the scale as all the other guys have gotten I would expect. $7,461,960 in 2018-2019.
Batguano wrote: |
What if we stretch Deng, or are able to unload him in a trade? |
Including Lonzo, #27, #30 all getting 120% of the scale I have a total obligation of $56.45M if we keep Deng and $45.81 if we stretch him. If the cap is $103 M that is $46.554M cap space or $56.840
$18,000,000
$12,500,000
$5,757,120
$5,564,134
$7,461,960
$2,272,390
$1,544,951
$1,655,160
$1,689,840
$56,445,555 |
Thought it was more like $6 M at most for Ball in 18-19: http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale
But yes, mid-50s to mid-40s depending on stretching Deng.
Now, if we go whole hog and move JC and JR we drop to $24 M and that means 2 30s and a 20 to add to Ball, Ingram, Zub, Nance, Other Rookies.
Ball, PG13 ($35), Lebron ($35), Ingram, Zub, Super Sub ($10)
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dont_be_a_wuss Franchise Player
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parsons777 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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That is a bump! |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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parsons777 wrote: | Current year/Summer 2018
Julius Randle PF 23 $4,149,242 $12,500,000 (hold)
Brandon Ingram SF 20 $5,519,400 $5,757,120
Ball PG 19 $4,400,000 $5,519,400
Ivica Zubac C 20 $1,312,611 $1,544,911
Jordan Clarkson SG 25 $11,562,500 $12,500,000
Deng SF 32 $17,190,000 $18,000,000
Larry Nance Jr. PF 24 $1,471,382 $2,272,391
$59 mill, 2 $30 mill slots, assuming we waive everybody else*
*my bad, $46 M open without stretching Deng |
Add about $6.5 mil in roster cap holds. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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nomoreshaq Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | parsons777 wrote: | Current year/Summer 2018
Julius Randle PF 23 $4,149,242 $12,500,000 (hold)
Brandon Ingram SF 20 $5,519,400 $5,757,120
Ball PG 19 $4,400,000 $5,519,400
Ivica Zubac C 20 $1,312,611 $1,544,911
Jordan Clarkson SG 25 $11,562,500 $12,500,000
Deng SF 32 $17,190,000 $18,000,000
Larry Nance Jr. PF 24 $1,471,382 $2,272,391
$59 mill, 2 $30 mill slots, assuming we waive everybody else*
*my bad, $46 M open without stretching Deng |
Add about $6.5 mil in roster cap holds. |
so we have to dump clarkson or deng for an expiring. or at least randle. right? |
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Four Decade Bandwagon Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | nomoreshaq wrote: | so assuming our cap is 103, how much do we have open if we keep deng and then if stretch deng (with lonzo 120%)
and how much is LBJ and PG13 max? |
We are gonna be $10 million short even if we stretch Deng. Full price for those two is $67M. If we trade for Paul George, and he agrees to pick up his option, it all works out perfectly though. That has to be the ultimate plan. |
Or they both accept $30M in hopes they can keep some talent around them. |
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dont_be_a_wuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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nomoreshaq wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | parsons777 wrote: | Current year/Summer 2018
Julius Randle PF 23 $4,149,242 $12,500,000 (hold)
Brandon Ingram SF 20 $5,519,400 $5,757,120
Ball PG 19 $4,400,000 $5,519,400
Ivica Zubac C 20 $1,312,611 $1,544,911
Jordan Clarkson SG 25 $11,562,500 $12,500,000
Deng SF 32 $17,190,000 $18,000,000
Larry Nance Jr. PF 24 $1,471,382 $2,272,391
$59 mill, 2 $30 mill slots, assuming we waive everybody else*
*my bad, $46 M open without stretching Deng |
Add about $6.5 mil in roster cap holds. |
so we have to dump clarkson or deng for an expiring. or at least randle. right? |
We can let Randle walk and open up $5.56M.
Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: |
Or they both accept $30M in hopes they can keep some talent around them. |
He already did it to go to Miami. So it's probably doable. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Randle cap hold is going to be a lot more than his qualifying offer. Iirc, somewhere in the 12 range. Part if the new cba. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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dont_be_a_wuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | Randle cap hold is going to be a lot more than his qualifying offer. Iirc, somewhere in the 12 range. Part if the new cba. |
Thanks. Looking for that. I got these from sportrac. |
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GonzagaAlum Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Basically Clarkson or Randle half to go.
I wonder if the Lakers can get a slightly cheaper deal to stretch at the deadline in a swap with Deng. _________________ How can I get a copy of a Laker game played on Sunday, March 11, 2001 Sonics/Lakers? If you know PM me please
I would be willing to pay you for it. |
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nomoreshaq Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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would you guys trade clarkson/randle/deng for wade and rondo?
dump plus it makes us better next year. gotta say rondo seems like a cancer though. |
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BigBallerBrand Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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nomoreshaq wrote: | would you guys trade clarkson/randle/deng for wade and rondo?
dump plus it makes us better next year. gotta say rondo seems like a cancer though. |
i would do clarkson/randle/deng for wade and a future 2nd rounder in a heartbeat. do not want rondo _________________ Billions Billions Billions |
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dont_be_a_wuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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They also changed the rookie cap hold to 120% of the scale. Now teams won't have any reason to wait until the last moment to ink their rookies. Randle's cap hold will be 300% of $4.149. LINK
If we keep Randle, and sign him after all other deals using Bird rights:
$39.7M/ $49.96M Deng/ Stretch Deng
If we renounce Randle: $52M/$62M ($1.5-$2M less for all these due to minimum roster spot holds as well.) |
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nomoreshaq Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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BigBallerBrand wrote: | nomoreshaq wrote: | would you guys trade clarkson/randle/deng for wade and rondo?
dump plus it makes us better next year. gotta say rondo seems like a cancer though. |
i would do clarkson/randle/deng for wade and a future 2nd rounder in a heartbeat. do not want rondo |
wont work without rondo. i suppose we could buy out rondo at that point or just eat his salary. but it'd only be 1 year so who cares.
i don't even know how much salary we'd clear up with all 3 gone, but i'm guessing we'd be sitting at around 80M in cap??? |
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lakers4life78 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | They also changed the rookie cap hold to 120% of the scale. Now teams won't have any reason to wait until the last moment to ink their rookies. Randle's cap hold will be 300% of $4.149. LINK
If we keep Randle, and sign him after all other deals using Bird rights:
$39.7M/ $49.96M Deng/ Stretch Deng
If we renounce Randle: $52M/$62M ($1.5-$2M less for all these due to minimum roster spot holds as well.) |
And this is why the Lakers do not have to trade Randle and two first round prospects for Paul George. They can let these guys all play for another year, and at the end of the day, can renounce Randle and stretch Deng and still have 60 million to spend on two max guys next summer. What if Randle develops and take his game to the next level next season, then you consider keeping him and moving Clarkson or at the least getting a future pick for Randle next year at the deadline. Plus they get to keep two rookies taken at 27/30.
None of this was possible without the DLo/Mozgov deal everyone hated. That contract had to go. _________________ 17 time World Champions
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rock0100 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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BigBallerBrand wrote: | nomoreshaq wrote: | would you guys trade clarkson/randle/deng for wade and rondo?
dump plus it makes us better next year. gotta say rondo seems like a cancer though. |
i would do clarkson/randle/deng for wade and a future 2nd rounder in a heartbeat. do not want rondo |
No, I really think Randle will break out this season. |
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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
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rock0100 wrote: | BigBallerBrand wrote: | nomoreshaq wrote: | would you guys trade clarkson/randle/deng for wade and rondo?
dump plus it makes us better next year. gotta say rondo seems like a cancer though. |
i would do clarkson/randle/deng for wade and a future 2nd rounder in a heartbeat. do not want rondo |
No, I really think Randle will break out this season. |
I think we'll get to see what he's made of. DLO gone, trade rumors swirling. I heard he wants to remain in LAn, so let's see what he can do. |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:26 am Post subject: |
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Clarkson and Randle are goners |
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