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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:40 pm    Post subject:

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I love Brook but there is no way he's closing out games against the Warriors. Starter? Of course.


With Lebron and PG13 I agree, but Julius Randle can't shoot or defend to be a better option, Nance is too shy to close the games, we need someone with bigger balls to take the open shot when it is there and Kuzma don't have the strenght to play small ball center.

I believe Lopez is going to close most games except those when it is clear he is struggling with his matchup.


Randle has been the one closing games, often as small ball center.


When we had Mozgov. Not Lopez. Randle would close games out at the 4 now instead of the 5.

Again, if Golden State tries to go small, Lopez is a center that can play at a fast pace but they also can't defend in the post and won't effect on closeouts as he can stretch the floor.

If Lopez continues to be a 20/7 player he WILL be closing out games.

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I love Brook but there is no way he's closing out games against the Warriors. Starter? Of course.


based upon what logic?

You think there's no way a 20/7 center with solid rim protection that can stretch the floor out to three as well as be a threat on the block/post isn't going to finish games against Golden State?

Randle finished out games at the 5 when we had Mozgov. Mozgov is not Lopez. Lopez should be finishing games, and most likely will be.

Our goal against Golden State is going to be more to force them to have to adjust to Lopez as opposed to them forcing us to have to pull our 20 ppg rim protecting center

Again, this is Lopez vs Whiteside's defensive percentiles

https://i.redd.it/28r563ovjuez.png


Lopez gives us an advantage against Golden State because he can stretch the floor and has a solid rim protecting foundation and the stats to back it up as well.

If Golden State puts Draymond on him and tries to run 'small ball' then it's our duty to put pressure on Draymond on the block and force double teams. If we force double teams in the post, there;s Ball, KCP and Ingram on the perimeter or Randle looking to cut to the basket off ball.

You don't give that up in an attempt to beat Golden State at their own game to close out the game. That's how you lose to them.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:48 pm    Post subject:

Nets didn't always close games with Brook their best offensive player.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:19 pm    Post subject:

Brook can't defend in space which is usually the case with huge people like him. But he's a good starting option and good for 26-28mpg even with 2 max players. I don't see him finishing many games though.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:22 am    Post subject:

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Brook can't defend in space which is usually the case with huge people like him. But he's a good starting option and good for 26-28mpg even with 2 max players. I don't see him finishing many games though.


The point is that we don't have a better option.

Julius is one of the worst players of the entire league defending shooters (I'm talking about stats). Lopez major concern as defender is in ISO situations, he is surprisingly a decent pick and roll defender with length to bother shooters while shooting over Julius is an easy task.

It makes no sense comparing Lopez situation to Mozgov situation, they are two completely different centers and we have other PG to feed Lopez and other SG may be able to help with guard penetration and switches.

I expect an improved Brandon Ingram and hopefully better versions of Nance and Julius too.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:46 pm    Post subject:

https://thesportspost.com/nba-top-50-brook-lopez/
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:19 pm    Post subject:

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Brook can't defend in space which is usually the case with huge people like him. But he's a good starting option and good for 26-28mpg even with 2 max players. I don't see him finishing many games though.


The point is that we don't have a better option.

Julius is one of the worst players of the entire league defending shooters (I'm talking about stats). Lopez major concern as defender is in ISO situations, he is surprisingly a decent pick and roll defender with length to bother shooters while shooting over Julius is an easy task.

It makes no sense comparing Lopez situation to Mozgov situation, they are two completely different centers and we have other PG to feed Lopez and other SG may be able to help with guard penetration and switches.

I expect an improved Brandon Ingram and hopefully better versions of Nance and Julius too.

Don't teams typically start to rely on isos a lot more towards the end of games.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:24 pm    Post subject:

SLAM Top 50: Brook Lopez, No. 48
The 7-footer heads home after a career year.


http://www.slamonline.com/nba/brook-lopez-slam-top-50-2017/#mBPooOSMIaiGCk8c.99


http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-news-brook-lopez-ranks-no-48-in-slam-magazines-top-50-players/2017/09/06/
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:52 pm    Post subject:

He's probably in the Top 5-7 centers in the NBA right now. Should be higher.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:40 pm    Post subject:

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He's probably in the Top 5-7 centers in the NBA right now. Should be higher.


That alone should highlight the sad state of bigs in the NBA.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:38 am    Post subject:

I rank him 15-20 @Center also 48 sounds about right to me.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:58 am    Post subject:

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He's probably in the Top 5-7 centers in the NBA right now. Should be higher.

He probably isn't even a top 10 center if you go through the names.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:02 am    Post subject:

Who is better than Lopez?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:32 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
He's probably in the Top 5-7 centers in the NBA right now. Should be higher.


10th PER
12th BPM
12th WS

10-12 seems to be accurate.

It may not sound good, but we have to keep the perspective that we traded away the:
26th guard
36th center

to get:
10th center
Summer League leading scorer among rookies at 21.9 PPG on .639 TS% and .48 3P%

One can say Lopez is a one year rental and we could have Kuzma at 28, but I'd say it is mainly OUR choice to keep Lopez and who knows about drafting Kuzma? This deal guaranteed us one more first round pick and one second round pick.

Lopez may not be a top 5 center in NBA, but he is the best center we have since Pau Gasol, his long range shooting can open the floor for players like Randle and Ingram and his boxing out and rim protection are also very complementary to Julius Randle skillset, I believe he is a great fit in Luke's system, better than several centers ranked above him.

The time will tell if I'm right, the stats show the increase in talent and I believe the games are going to show a huge increase in how the parts
fit together, one of my main critics about the previous front office.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:51 am    Post subject:

Brooks does have some #'s. He is the 2nd highest scoring center, made most 3 point shots by far with the 4th highest 3 pt %, 4th highest FT %, 3RD in assists, 4th in blocked shots. There really is no talent at the center position.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:00 am    Post subject:

Lay out the centers. First we'll start with who's better than Lopez

DeMarcus Cousins
Karl Anthony-Towns
Marc Gasol
Nikola Jokic
Rudy Gobert

Afterwards is the likes of..
Hassan Whiteside, Deandre Jordan, Andre Drummond, Al Horford, Myles Turner, maybe Joel Embiid, Dwight Howard, Valanciunas, Jusef Nurkic

How many of them are better than Lopez? Not by reputation, by actual play and skillset.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:16 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Lay out the centers. First we'll start with who's better than Lopez

DeMarcus Cousins
Karl Anthony-Towns
Marc Gasol
Nikola Jokic
Rudy Gobert

Afterwards is the likes of..
Hassan Whiteside, Deandre Jordan, Andre Drummond, Al Horford, Myles Turner, maybe Joel Embiid, Dwight Howard, Valanciunas, Jusef Nurkic

How many of them are better than Lopez? Not by reputation, by actual play and skillset.


When health Embiid is a monster
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:16 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Lay out the centers. First we'll start with who's better than Lopez

DeMarcus Cousins
Karl Anthony-Towns
Marc Gasol
Nikola Jokic
Rudy Gobert

Afterwards is the likes of..
Hassan Whiteside, Deandre Jordan, Andre Drummond, Al Horford, Myles Turner, maybe Joel Embiid, Dwight Howard, Valanciunas, Jusef Nurkic

How many of them are better than Lopez? Not by reputation, by actual play and skillset.


Going by rpm Lopez is the 15 best center and most of the guys you listed have higher rpms.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:23 am    Post subject:

I expect his numbers to shoot up with Lonzo at the point. I realize everyone is saying this about virtually every player on the team, but Brook's skill set is uniquely tailored to Lonzo's passing strengths.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:39 am    Post subject:

Lonzo will inflate everyone's stats similar to the Dantoni system effect. IF our team can commit to D then we'll be a legit playoff threat. Tall order
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:45 am    Post subject:

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I expect his numbers to shoot up with Lonzo at the point. I realize everyone is saying this about virtually every player on the team, but Brook's skill set is uniquely tailored to Lonzo's passing strengths.


Brook is pretty much a dream pairing for Jules. Provides spacing from 3 and midrange, and will have strong gravity for opposing bigs. They can't simply drop down and protect the rim like they did when Moz/Hibbert were here.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:51 am    Post subject:

If both him and Randle play well, both would take low $ for 1 year for a longer bigger $ next year, can we sign both after 2 max of we have to pick one of them?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:53 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
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I expect his numbers to shoot up with Lonzo at the point. I realize everyone is saying this about virtually every player on the team, but Brook's skill set is uniquely tailored to Lonzo's passing strengths.


Brook is pretty much a dream pairing for Jules. Provides spacing from 3 and midrange, and will have strong gravity for opposing bigs. They can't simply drop down and protect the rim like they did when Moz/Hibbert were here.


This is probably an outlandish statement at this point, but Lonzo's the best post entry passer I've ever seen. Particularly over fronts, he's like dropping them in a bucket from over 20 feet. The fact that we went out and got one of the few really good post players in this league for him to utilize this ability was a master stroke by management, even if it's only for a season.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:54 am    Post subject:

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If both him and Randle play well, both would take low $ for 1 year for a longer bigger $ next year, can we sign both after 2 max of we have to pick one of them?


Not understanding the question.

Theoretically possible that Jules takes the QO, and Brook takes the room exception (though not likely). Then yes, we would have full Bird rights to re-sign them in 2019 as an over-the-cap team. We'd also have the full MLE in 2019 to get a quality rotation player too. 2019 is the year i have penciled in as the year we would be contending for a title. Warriors would have to start worrying about extending Klay, and the 5 years of making the Finals may take its physical and mental toll.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:57 am    Post subject:

Oops, I misread your statement regarding Jules, Yinoma. Are they a great fit? I dunno. Brook can space the floor, but Randle can't post-up or roll.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:58 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
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If both him and Randle play well, both would take low $ for 1 year for a longer bigger $ next year, can we sign both after 2 max of we have to pick one of them?


Not understanding the question.

Theoretically possible that Jules takes the QO, and Brook takes the room exception (though not likely). Then yes, we would have full Bird rights to re-sign them in 2019 as an over-the-cap team. We'd also have the full MLE in 2019 to get a quality rotation player too. 2019 is the year i have penciled in as the year we would be contending for a title. Warriors would have to start worrying about extending Klay, and the 5 years of making the Finals may take its physical and mental toll.


that answers it. we do have the space after stretchung Deng/trading JC and signing 2 max for Jules' QO and Brook room exception
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