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Sadly there was a case just like this a few years back. They fed the baby apple juice and soy milk only  |
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| How did the parents arrive at the idea that natural human breast milk wasn't the absolute best thing to drink for their baby? |
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I just wanted to point out that the child died of malnutrition, neglect and ignorant parents, not a vegan diet per se.
Carry on. |
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| Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | | death is better than being vegan tbqh |
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| rwongega wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | I just wanted to point out that the child died of malnutrition, neglect and ignorant parents, not a vegan diet per se.
Carry on. |
Malnutrition caused by an inappropriate diet aka vegan. |
C'mon. There was clearly much more at play here than veganism.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | I just wanted to point out that the child died of malnutrition, neglect and ignorant parents, not a vegan diet per se.
Carry on. |
Malnutrition caused by an inappropriate diet aka vegan. |
C'mon. There was clearly much more at play here than veganism. |
Had those parents not sought out a vegan diet, alternative medicines, etc, then that baby would still be alive.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | I just wanted to point out that the child died of malnutrition, neglect and ignorant parents, not a vegan diet per se.
Carry on. |
Malnutrition caused by an inappropriate diet aka vegan. |
C'mon. There was clearly much more at play here than veganism. |
you mean stupidity? |
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| vanexelent wrote: | | How did the parents arrive at the idea that natural human breast milk wasn't the absolute best thing to drink for their baby? |
We've only been surviving for hundreds of thousands of years that way. Totally not natural.  |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | I just wanted to point out that the child died of malnutrition, neglect and ignorant parents, not a vegan diet per se.
Carry on. |
So died of malnutrition that was not caused by the neglect of this vegan diet idea. Ok.
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| axs wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | I just wanted to point out that the child died of malnutrition, neglect and ignorant parents, not a vegan diet per se.
Carry on. |
So died of malnutrition that was not caused by the neglect of this vegan diet idea. Ok. |
Did you miss the part about the empty stomach? It's not what they were feeding him, it's that they weren't feeding him.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | axs wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | I just wanted to point out that the child died of malnutrition, neglect and ignorant parents, not a vegan diet per se.
Carry on. |
So died of malnutrition that was not caused by the neglect of this vegan diet idea. Ok. |
Did you miss the part about the empty stomach? It's not what they were feeding him, it's that they weren't feeding him. |
The empty stomach was what occurred when they drove cross country to a homeopathic doctor who then sent them back to a hospital. The child was malnourished and underweight to begin with because vegetable milk does not have almost all the necessary nutrients a 1 year old would need.
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| The parents were stupid, just like people who eat a regular diet can be stupid. There are successful ways to healthily nourish infants and children on a vegan diet. These people were too stupid/rigid/ignorant/whatever to figure it out. That's what caused their child's death. |
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| Look, I have no idea how much infants or young children need animal-derived nutrients (whether directly or through the mother's diet,) but the attitude that some have in response to stories like this as if it's some strike against veganism in general, is stupid and a non-sequitur. As an adult, you don't get out of the ethical dilemma of consuming animal products by some parents being ignorant and neglectful about how they instituted their diet ideology on their young children. |
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| Well said. You can't die from a Vegan diet. Idiot parents who deserve to go to prison for a long time. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | The parents were stupid, just like people who eat a regular diet can be stupid. There are successful ways to healthily nourish infants and children on a vegan diet. These people were too stupid/rigid/ignorant/whatever to figure it out. That's what caused their child's death. |
All of which are recommended only after the 1st year of birth unless diagnosed as an extreme case by a health professional. This child was under 1 year when they were implementing their idiotic ideas of homeopathy. This is a 7 month old that died, which means breast milk is absolutely necessary for proper nutrition. I forwarded this article to my former child nutrition professor at Columbia (I have a Masters in Nutrition) and she and almost all OB/Peds physicians agree.
http://www.firststepsnutrition.org/pdfs/Eating_well_for_veg_infants_for_web.pdf
| Quote: | Soya-based infant formula is suitable for
vegetarian infants, but should not be given to any
infants under 6 months of age, nor used as the
main milk drink for infants up to 1 year of age,
unless recommended by a health professional. |
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| rwongega wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | The parents were stupid, just like people who eat a regular diet can be stupid. There are successful ways to healthily nourish infants and children on a vegan diet. These people were too stupid/rigid/ignorant/whatever to figure it out. That's what caused their child's death. |
All of which are recommended only after the 1st year of birth unless diagnosed as an extreme case by a health professional. This child was under 1 year when they were implementing their idiotic ideas of homeopathy. This is a 7 month old that died, which means breast milk is absolutely necessary for proper nutrition. I forwarded this article to my former child nutrition professor at Columbia (I have a Masters in Nutrition) and she and almost all OB/Peds physicians agree.
http://www.firststepsnutrition.org/pdfs/Eating_well_for_veg_infants_for_web.pdf
| Quote: | Soya-based infant formula is suitable for
vegetarian infants, but should not be given to any
infants under 6 months of age, nor used as the
main milk drink for infants up to 1 year of age,
unless recommended by a health professional. |
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They could have breast fed (or obtained donated breast milk - there are such options). I don't know what your point is except you seem to have a lot of anger for the word vegan. No one here is defending the parents. They were stupid and caused their child to die. Just like other stupid people who are not vegan do stupid things that cause their children to die.
The key word here is "stupid" not "vegan."
I am not pro or anti vegan. I'm pro-information and anti-disinformation and anti-stupidity. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | The parents were stupid, just like people who eat a regular diet can be stupid. There are successful ways to healthily nourish infants and children on a vegan diet. These people were too stupid/rigid/ignorant/whatever to figure it out. That's what caused their child's death. |
All of which are recommended only after the 1st year of birth unless diagnosed as an extreme case by a health professional. This child was under 1 year when they were implementing their idiotic ideas of homeopathy. This is a 7 month old that died, which means breast milk is absolutely necessary for proper nutrition. I forwarded this article to my former child nutrition professor at Columbia (I have a Masters in Nutrition) and she and almost all OB/Peds physicians agree.
http://www.firststepsnutrition.org/pdfs/Eating_well_for_veg_infants_for_web.pdf
| Quote: | Soya-based infant formula is suitable for
vegetarian infants, but should not be given to any
infants under 6 months of age, nor used as the
main milk drink for infants up to 1 year of age,
unless recommended by a health professional. |
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They could have breast fed (or obtained donated breast milk - there are such options). I don't know what your point is except you seem to have a lot of anger for the word vegan. No one here is defending the parents. They were stupid and caused their child to die. Just like other stupid people who are not vegan do stupid things that cause their children to die.
The key word here is "stupid" not "vegan."
I am not pro or anti vegan. I'm pro-information and anti-disinformation and anti-stupidity. |
My point is that the vegan diet is the direct cause of death. Yes, it was brought on by the stupidity of the parents but nevertheless, it shows the dangers of vegan diets on infants under 1 year of age. You are the one trying to claim that the child died of malnutrition, not a vegan diet, when the two are intertwined.
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| Fan0Bynum17 wrote: | | Look, I have no idea how much infants or young children need animal-derived nutrients (whether directly or through the mother's diet,) but the attitude that some have in response to stories like this as if it's some strike against veganism in general, is stupid and a non-sequitur. As an adult, you don't get out of the ethical dilemma of consuming animal products by some parents being ignorant and neglectful about how they instituted their diet ideology on their young children. |
There is no ethical dilemma. It is an inescapable reality that most everything we do causes damage to other animals. We all consume animal products, and use animals in various products. You can't live in this society without taking advantage of animals in someform of another. Or by destroying some form of animals.
The people who think that because they partake in a certain diet can sidestep this, are (bleep) delusional.
There's nothing wrong with some form of conservation, but this high and mighty delusional religious fervor in diet is completely misplaced.
You can live and pretend that your diet doesn't cause harm to other animals, but that doesn't change the reality.
Human beings have consumed animals their entire existence and will do so until the last human remains. Other animals live of others as well, and will do so until the last one of them remains too.
You choose to make it a dilemma, but in the minds of most normal folks it is not. It is pure reality. You either accept it or delude yourself into thinking that your stance is more enlightened and educated, thus right.
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| Gwyn wrote: | | Fan0Bynum17 wrote: | | Look, I have no idea how much infants or young children need animal-derived nutrients (whether directly or through the mother's diet,) but the attitude that some have in response to stories like this as if it's some strike against veganism in general, is stupid and a non-sequitur. As an adult, you don't get out of the ethical dilemma of consuming animal products by some parents being ignorant and neglectful about how they instituted their diet ideology on their young children. |
There is no ethical dilemma. It is an inescapable reality that most everything we do causes damage to other animals. We all consume animal products, and use animals in various products. You can't live in this society without taking advantage of animals in someform of another. Or by destroying some form of animals.
The people who think that because they partake in a certain diet can sidestep this, are (bleep) delusional.
There's nothing wrong with some form of conservation, but this high and mighty delusional religious fervor in diet is completely misplaced.
You can live and pretend that your diet doesn't cause harm to other animals, but that doesn't change the reality.
Human beings have consumed animals their entire existence and will do so until the last human remains. Other animals live of others as well, and will do so until the last one of them remains too.
You choose to make it a dilemma, but in the minds of most normal folks it is not. It is pure reality. You either accept it or delude yourself into thinking that your stance is more enlightened and educated, thus right. |
Um, I know that, I'm not an idiot. You're actually creating a false dilemma when you basically split diets up into perfectly harmless and harmful, so if you can't be perfectly harmless in your diet, then might as well say (bleep) it to it all and just go nuts right? You start off with a false dilemma, then you move on to a naturalistic fallacy by saying we've done it for so long, therefore it's still just as ethical to do now in present day circumstances.) After that, you make an appeal to popularity fallacy by saying a lot of people consume a lot of animal products, so it's normal, and I guess that makes it more or less ethical.
FTR, I'm not vegan, I'm a vegetarian who tries to make vegan choices when it's relatively convenient (I freely admit I have my own ethical shortcomings.) I think a vegan diet (and lifestyle,) is probably a more ethical diet and lifestyle than what most people partake in, in regards to lessening the suffering and harm of non-human animals. Regardless, I'm not arguing to support that view as much as argue that the ethical argument that veganism makes is absolutely legitimate and should be considered, and just because it may cause some stupid dogmatic people to be neglectful of their young children, doesn't bolster any side in the debate, it's irrelevant, and yet I see so many people respond in a "haha, take that veganism!" way. |
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| rwongega wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | The parents were stupid, just like people who eat a regular diet can be stupid. There are successful ways to healthily nourish infants and children on a vegan diet. These people were too stupid/rigid/ignorant/whatever to figure it out. That's what caused their child's death. |
All of which are recommended only after the 1st year of birth unless diagnosed as an extreme case by a health professional. This child was under 1 year when they were implementing their idiotic ideas of homeopathy. This is a 7 month old that died, which means breast milk is absolutely necessary for proper nutrition. I forwarded this article to my former child nutrition professor at Columbia (I have a Masters in Nutrition) and she and almost all OB/Peds physicians agree.
http://www.firststepsnutrition.org/pdfs/Eating_well_for_veg_infants_for_web.pdf
| Quote: | Soya-based infant formula is suitable for
vegetarian infants, but should not be given to any
infants under 6 months of age, nor used as the
main milk drink for infants up to 1 year of age,
unless recommended by a health professional. |
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They could have breast fed (or obtained donated breast milk - there are such options). I don't know what your point is except you seem to have a lot of anger for the word vegan. No one here is defending the parents. They were stupid and caused their child to die. Just like other stupid people who are not vegan do stupid things that cause their children to die.
The key word here is "stupid" not "vegan."
I am not pro or anti vegan. I'm pro-information and anti-disinformation and anti-stupidity. |
My point is that the vegan diet is the direct cause of death. Yes, it was brought on by the stupidity of the parents but nevertheless, it shows the dangers of vegan diets on infants under 1 year of age. You are the one trying to claim that the child died of malnutrition, not a vegan diet, when the two are intertwined. |
Stupidity is the absolute main cause of this child's death
Why they are not serving serious time is beyond comprehension
Mentally challenged couples have children and don't do (bleep) this stupid |
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