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Don Draper Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | So glad that bum is gone |
That bum would be the best player on this team |
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fiendishoc Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:00 am Post subject: |
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Sentient Meat wrote: | Harden, Westbrook, and Melo still haven't won any titles.
If OKC doesn't win this year... I doubt any of them ever will.
What good are spectacular stats if you don't win titles. |
Wait, so does this mean you think the Harden trade was good or not? |
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999 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:45 am Post subject: |
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Don Draper wrote: | epak wrote: | So glad that bum is gone |
That bum would be the best player on this team |
Empty stats |
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Annihilator Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:03 am Post subject: |
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LakerMindLA wrote: | RichD wrote: | Dlo scoring like crazy but still bad defense. So who knows.. |
DLO trade = Harden Trade.
Going down as one of the worst in NBA in last decade. |
We will see but right now I am hoping that Lopez + Kuzma > DLO + Mozgov. _________________ “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
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al242 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:00 am Post subject: |
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Annihilator wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | RichD wrote: | Dlo scoring like crazy but still bad defense. So who knows.. |
DLO trade = Harden Trade.
Going down as one of the worst in NBA in last decade. |
We will see but right now I am hoping that Lopez + Kuzma > DLO + Mozgov. |
This trade will haunt us.
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al242 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:01 am Post subject: |
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Annihilator wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | RichD wrote: | Dlo scoring like crazy but still bad defense. So who knows.. |
DLO trade = Harden Trade.
Going down as one of the worst in NBA in last decade. |
We will see but right now I am hoping that Lopez + Kuzma > DLO + Mozgov. |
Lopez is not a part of our core future, get that out of your mind. He is about 10 years older than Lonzo and Ingram as of today. Kuzma is also not the prospect Dlo was, with that said Ingram still looks like Wesley Johnson....without the jumpshot. He should have been the player we traded, not Dlo. |
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Sentient Meat Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:07 am Post subject: |
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fiendishoc wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Harden, Westbrook, and Melo still haven't won any titles.
If OKC doesn't win this year... I doubt any of them ever will.
What good are spectacular stats if you don't win titles. |
Wait, so does this mean you think the Harden trade was good or not? |
It means that most don't question DLO's ability to score, but at least in my case, I question his ability to be the centerpiece of a championship caliber team. The trade will be good if we are able to sign a free agent that is better quality, if we don't then it isn't. But regardless of whether we got good value, I wouldn't want any of those three or DLO to be what the Lakers build around. Sure, we'd make the playoffs, but I doubt we'd ever win a championship. |
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BynumForThree Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:14 am Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | RichD wrote: | Dlo scoring like crazy but still bad defense. So who knows.. |
DLO trade = Harden Trade.
Going down as one of the worst in NBA in last decade. |
Just checking. But were you 2 guys the ones who didn't want Lonzo drafted? |
I was one of the most vocal users here against Ball. In fact I said I'd take Smith Jr. over him and got laughed at. Those users aren't laughing any more... |
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BynumForThree Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:16 am Post subject: |
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999 wrote: | Don Draper wrote: | epak wrote: | So glad that bum is gone |
That bum would be the best player on this team |
Empty stats |
So every Laker this year is going to have empty stats since we're going to be terrible again? Ingram, Kuzma and Ball?
Protip: You can't pull the Loser Card when your own team is one of worst teams in the league lmao |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:05 am Post subject: |
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fiendishoc wrote: | Quote: | "Objection, your honor! That's a damn strawman argument!" |
Also turned out to be factually incorrect. |
I'm hedging my bets for the first 20 games. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:46 am Post subject: |
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Sentient Meat wrote: | fiendishoc wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Harden, Westbrook, and Melo still haven't won any titles.
If OKC doesn't win this year... I doubt any of them ever will.
What good are spectacular stats if you don't win titles. |
Wait, so does this mean you think the Harden trade was good or not? |
It means that most don't question DLO's ability to score, but at least in my case, I question his ability to be the centerpiece of a championship caliber team. The trade will be good if we are able to sign a free agent that is better quality, if we don't then it isn't. But regardless of whether we got good value, I wouldn't want any of those three or DLO to be what the Lakers build around. Sure, we'd make the playoffs, but I doubt we'd ever win a championship. |
We win 27 games and we are concerned about who can be a championship player? Unfortunately the FO seems to be just as clueless. Here is a real shocker, we are nowhere close to being a championship team. Let’s not act like we are. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Fortysixn2 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:48 am Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | fiendishoc wrote: | Quote: | "Objection, your honor! That's a damn strawman argument!" |
Also turned out to be factually incorrect. |
I'm hedging my bets for the first 20 games. |
He did shoot well, his 3pt % was great...although he did miss a lot around the rim when contested because he's not athletic. His assist rate was down, his rebound rate down, his defensive fouling % up and he had a DRTG of 125 against Collison and oladipo. His RBPM has -5, his team gave up 140 and he lost.
Now that Jlin isn't around, the best backcourt defender will be on him now as well.
Although I admit, his stroke was sweet...he didn't do any of the things required to help a team win a game. In the 4th, when things were tight...two big turnovers as well. An ORTG of 131 is outstanding, but giving almost all of it back on the defensive end isn't winning basketball. I'm not saying he's not talented, kid can shoot and dribble a bit...but everything else that it actually takes to be a champion - Defense/Leadership he has none of that. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:50 am Post subject: |
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Fortysixn2 wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | fiendishoc wrote: | Quote: | "Objection, your honor! That's a damn strawman argument!" |
Also turned out to be factually incorrect. |
I'm hedging my bets for the first 20 games. |
He did shoot well, his 3pt % was great...although he did miss a lot around the rim when contested because he's not athletic. His assist rate was down, his rebound rate down, his defensive fouling % up and he had a DRTG of 125 against Collison and oladipo. His RBPM has -5, his team gave up 140 and he lost.
Now that Jlin isn't around, the best backcourt defender will be on him now as well.
Although I admit, his stroke was sweet...he didn't do any of the things required to help a team win a game. In the 4th, when things were tight...two big turnovers as well. An ORTG of 131 is outstanding, but giving almost all of it back on the defensive end. I'm not saying he's not talented, kid can shoot and dribble a bit...but everything else that it actually takes to be a champion - Defense/Leadership he has none of that. |
We talking about championships? Our team is aspiring to win 30-32 games this year. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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Fortysixn2 wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | fiendishoc wrote: | Quote: | "Objection, your honor! That's a damn strawman argument!" |
Also turned out to be factually incorrect. |
I'm hedging my bets for the first 20 games. |
He did shoot well, his 3pt % was great...although he did miss a lot around the rim when contested because he's not athletic. His assist rate was down, his rebound rate down, his defensive fouling % up and he had a DRTG of 125 against Collison and oladipo. His RBPM has -5, his team gave up 140 and he lost.
Now that Jlin isn't around, the best backcourt defender will be on him now as well.
Although I admit, his stroke was sweet...he didn't do any of the things required to help a team win a game. In the 4th, when things were tight...two big turnovers as well. An ORTG of 131 is outstanding, but giving almost all of it back on the defensive end isn't winning basketball. I'm not saying he's not talented, kid can shoot and dribble a bit...but everything else that it actually takes to be a champion - Defense/Leadership he has none of that. |
Like I said, I'll wait 20 games.
lol at "a bit," tho... |
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Annihilator Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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al242 wrote: | Annihilator wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | RichD wrote: | Dlo scoring like crazy but still bad defense. So who knows.. |
DLO trade = Harden Trade.
Going down as one of the worst in NBA in last decade. |
We will see but right now I am hoping that Lopez + Kuzma > DLO + Mozgov. |
Lopez is not a part of our core future, get that out of your mind. He is about 10 years older than Lonzo and Ingram as of today. Kuzma is also not the prospect Dlo was, with that said Ingram still looks like Wesley Johnson....without the jumpshot. He should have been the player we traded, not Dlo. |
As to what belongs in or out of my mind, I will be the judge.
Actually, Kuzma could potentially be a better prospect-- we will see. Dlo's matador defense makes his value less that what it could be. _________________ “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
--Anonymous |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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Annihilator wrote: | al242 wrote: | Annihilator wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | RichD wrote: | Dlo scoring like crazy but still bad defense. So who knows.. |
DLO trade = Harden Trade.
Going down as one of the worst in NBA in last decade. |
We will see but right now I am hoping that Lopez + Kuzma > DLO + Mozgov. |
Lopez is not a part of our core future, get that out of your mind. He is about 10 years older than Lonzo and Ingram as of today. Kuzma is also not the prospect Dlo was, with that said Ingram still looks like Wesley Johnson....without the jumpshot. He should have been the player we traded, not Dlo. |
As to what belongs in or out of my mind, I will be the judge.
Actually, Kuzma could potentially be a better prospect-- we will see. Dlo's matador defense makes his value less that what it could be. |
True, but that's less of an issue for lead guards like Kyrie, Lillard, Thomas, etc. |
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Annihilator Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Annihilator wrote: | al242 wrote: | Annihilator wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | RichD wrote: | Dlo scoring like crazy but still bad defense. So who knows.. |
DLO trade = Harden Trade.
Going down as one of the worst in NBA in last decade. |
We will see but right now I am hoping that Lopez + Kuzma > DLO + Mozgov. |
Lopez is not a part of our core future, get that out of your mind. He is about 10 years older than Lonzo and Ingram as of today. Kuzma is also not the prospect Dlo was, with that said Ingram still looks like Wesley Johnson....without the jumpshot. He should have been the player we traded, not Dlo. |
As to what belongs in or out of my mind, I will be the judge.
Actually, Kuzma could potentially be a better prospect-- we will see. Dlo's matador defense makes his value less that what it could be. |
True, but that's less of an issue for lead guards like Kyrie, Lillard, Thomas, etc. | DLO has some work to do before he belongs on that list; maybe he will make it.
I am still of the opinion that championships usually revolve around good defense. _________________ “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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Annihilator wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Annihilator wrote: | al242 wrote: | Annihilator wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | RichD wrote: | Dlo scoring like crazy but still bad defense. So who knows.. |
DLO trade = Harden Trade.
Going down as one of the worst in NBA in last decade. |
We will see but right now I am hoping that Lopez + Kuzma > DLO + Mozgov. |
Lopez is not a part of our core future, get that out of your mind. He is about 10 years older than Lonzo and Ingram as of today. Kuzma is also not the prospect Dlo was, with that said Ingram still looks like Wesley Johnson....without the jumpshot. He should have been the player we traded, not Dlo. |
As to what belongs in or out of my mind, I will be the judge.
Actually, Kuzma could potentially be a better prospect-- we will see. Dlo's matador defense makes his value less that what it could be. |
True, but that's less of an issue for lead guards like Kyrie, Lillard, Thomas, etc. | DLO has some work to do before he belongs in that list; maybe he will make it.
I am still of the opinion that championships usually revolve around good defense. |
Right, but defense gets more important the closer a player is to the basket, and good team defense can be sufficient to win an NBA championship even with poor guard defenders. Russell obviously needs to continue to get better offensively, but defensively he's already better than Lillard and Thomas and on par with Kyrie at age 21. |
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Sentient Meat Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | fiendishoc wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Harden, Westbrook, and Melo still haven't won any titles.
If OKC doesn't win this year... I doubt any of them ever will.
What good are spectacular stats if you don't win titles. |
Wait, so does this mean you think the Harden trade was good or not? |
It means that most don't question DLO's ability to score, but at least in my case, I question his ability to be the centerpiece of a championship caliber team. The trade will be good if we are able to sign a free agent that is better quality, if we don't then it isn't. But regardless of whether we got good value, I wouldn't want any of those three or DLO to be what the Lakers build around. Sure, we'd make the playoffs, but I doubt we'd ever win a championship. |
We win 27 games and we are concerned about who can be a championship player? Unfortunately the FO seems to be just as clueless. Here is a real shocker, we are nowhere close to being a championship team. Let’s not act like we are. |
Didn't say we were... but our aspirations are to become the Lakers again and not simply be a Milwaukee quality team. DLO can get you to respectability but not much further imo. |
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noahp45 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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Bogut and Deng got to go they are horrible |
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LakerEric Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Lakers look like a terrible HS team tonight. Very, very disappointing _________________ Do you believe it now, Trinity? - Morpheous |
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LakerMindLA Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | RichD wrote: | Dlo scoring like crazy but still bad defense. So who knows.. |
DLO trade = Harden Trade.
Going down as one of the worst in NBA in last decade. |
Just checking. But were you 2 guys the ones who didn't want Lonzo drafted? |
I didn't want the Lakers to draft Lonzo, however, that doesn't influence my view on the Dlo trade. The DLO trade was gamble the Lakers weren't in a position to make. |
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fiendishoc Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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LakerEric wrote: | Lakers look like a terrible HS team tonight. Very, very disappointing |
At least they didn't rack up a lot of empty stats.
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kobe_4_mvp Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Inexperienced coach
Inexperienced front office
Inexperienced players
This is how to turn things around. |
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DerekFisher24 Sixth Man
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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This game made no sense. So we want to play up tempo we roll out an absolutely terrible fastbreak starting 5. We allow BI to iso every other possession even though he is a terrible iso player. We don't make any passes and our only offense is simple curls. The players were bad but Luke gets an F for this game |
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