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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:28 am    Post subject:

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That's insane


Just trying to stir (bleep) up. Ignore.


Yes, realism isn't allowed here
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:33 am    Post subject:

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If Paul George decides that he wants to spend the rest of his career in L.A., is willing to bet on himself and sacrifice a little bit of security, and the Lakers can convince Presti to trade Paul George and all of a sudden the Lakers could have a ton more money in 2018 than most people expected.



A package around Ball or Ingram might get it done

That's insane


I agree. I read that three times because I couldn't believe what I was reading.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:34 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
AY2043 wrote:
That's insane


Just trying to stir (bleep) up. Ignore.


Yes, realism isn't allowed here


Nothing realistic about that scenario. There is no precedent for that kind of package (See trades of Boogie, Paul, Butler, etc, etc)
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:37 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
AY2043 wrote:
That's insane


Just trying to stir (bleep) up. Ignore.


Yes, realism isn't allowed here


Clearly idiocy like your post is however.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:40 am    Post subject:

Don't see why OkC would do this unless they want to lose Westbrook too
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:50 am    Post subject:

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Don't see why OkC would do this unless they want to lose Westbrook too

If George tells them he's leaving.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:55 am    Post subject:

I doubt George tells OKC he's leaving. At this point that would be very bad for his reputation.

If Paul George tries to pull stuff like that now he could be seen as a team and locker room cancer. That wouldn't be a very "high character" thing to do, especially if the team is being successful.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:12 pm    Post subject:

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So an article based on LA radio stations. Why?


Basically they're saying PG13 can do was CP3 did. Tell OKC he's leaving to go to LA, and then opt-in to his deal to preserve his bird rights and get traded to LA.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:13 pm    Post subject:

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I doubt George tells OKC he's leaving. At this point that would be very bad for his reputation.

If Paul George tries to pull stuff like that now he could be seen as a team and locker room cancer. That wouldn't be a very "high character" thing to do, especially if the team is being successful.

If you're a GM, would you rather a guy say "hey, heads up I'm leaving after this year, so trade me now if you want to get something for me, up to you". Or the guy that wont say anything and ends up leaving. Personally, I don't think that's a bad indicator of character. I certainly wish Dwight had done that

This of course assumes PG has his mind made up by the trade deadline.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:14 pm    Post subject:

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I doubt George tells OKC he's leaving. At this point that would be very bad for his reputation.

If Paul George tries to pull stuff like that now he could be seen as a team and locker room cancer. That wouldn't be a very "high character" thing to do, especially if the team is being successful.


Really? In essence he's helping OKC gets pieces back rather than losing him for nothing.

The way he left Indiana is way worse for his reputation than leaving OKC. A lot of people already think he's as good as gone.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:18 pm    Post subject:

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I doubt George tells OKC he's leaving. At this point that would be very bad for his reputation.

If Paul George tries to pull stuff like that now he could be seen as a team and locker room cancer. That wouldn't be a very "high character" thing to do, especially if the team is being successful.

If you're a GM, would you rather a guy say "hey, heads up I'm leaving after this year, so trade me now if you want to get something for me, up to you". Or the guy that wont say anything and ends up leaving. Personally, I don't think that's a bad indicator of character. I certainly wish Dwight had done that

This of course assumes PG has his mind made up by the trade deadline.


It's a bad indicator of character because you're on a winning team with the MVP that averaged a triple double, on pace to win a 50+ game season and you're going to the GM talking about you want to go to a 30 win team instead and that situation isn't good enough for you?

Considering what that does to team chemistry, takes attention away from the season, and ultimately throws off whatever else was planned? If you're a GM you'd hate that player and if you were his teammates at his last two stops you'd strongly dislike him too.

You only see it as a positive because he would come to the Lakers.

But imagine if we traded pieces for DeMarcus Cousins, and our entire season was turning around and doing well but in the middle of it he came to you and went "honestly I'd like to go back to the Kings. Yeah this just isn't good enough for me." and then when you tried to trade him to the Kings they don't offer anything because they have the leverage, and no other team in the league will take him because then he's seen as a problem.

What would you think of him then?

that's essentially what Paul George would be doing to the Thunder, and DURING a successful season. There's nothing high character or good about doing that to your team and if anything it would show how much of a leader he isn't.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:21 pm    Post subject:

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Clarkson and Randle are worse than Oladipo and Sabonis. I dont see why they do that. I guess Iwould include Zubac, but do they really need another center?

Oladipo is better than JC, but his contract is god awful. And I take Randle over Sabonis all day.
Yeah, that is true about Oladipos contract. But, I like Sabonis better. Hopefully OKC would accept an offer of Randle, Clarkson, Zubac, Hart, 2018 2nd, 2019 2nd and 2020 1st for PG13.
Forget the deadline, lets do this right now. Maybe OKC would just prefer that package over the players that they traded for PG13. Maybe that was their motivation the whole time? Maybe they have buyers remourse? Maybe PG13s people are in his ear telling them to trade him?


I doubt that OKC wants to make the playoffs this season, and wants to keep Westbrook too thus why they will hold on to George.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:25 pm    Post subject:

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I doubt George tells OKC he's leaving. At this point that would be very bad for his reputation.

If Paul George tries to pull stuff like that now he could be seen as a team and locker room cancer. That wouldn't be a very "high character" thing to do, especially if the team is being successful.

If you're a GM, would you rather a guy say "hey, heads up I'm leaving after this year, so trade me now if you want to get something for me, up to you". Or the guy that wont say anything and ends up leaving. Personally, I don't think that's a bad indicator of character. I certainly wish Dwight had done that

This of course assumes PG has his mind made up by the trade deadline.


It's a bad indicator of character because you're on a winning team with the MVP that averaged a triple double, on pace to win a 50+ game season and you're going to the GM talking about you want to go to a 30 win team instead and that situation isn't good enough for you?

Considering what that does to team chemistry, takes attention away from the season, and ultimately throws off whatever else was planned? If you're a GM you'd hate that player and if you were his teammates at his last two stops you'd strongly dislike him too.

You only see it as a positive because he would come to the Lakers.

But imagine if we traded pieces for DeMarcus Cousins, and our entire season was turning around and doing well but in the middle of it he came to you and went "honestly I'd like to go back to the Kings. Yeah this just isn't good enough for me." and then when you tried to trade him to the Kings they don't offer anything because they have the leverage, and no other team in the league will take him because then he's seen as a problem.

What would you think of him then?

that's essentially what Paul George would be doing to the Thunder, and DURING a successful season. There's nothing high character or good about doing that to your team and if anything it would show how much of a leader he isn't.

Yeah, but they knew damn well when they traded for him that he wants to go to the Lakers. And they got him for next to nothing.

I'm sure they'd hate him, but they'd also hate him if he left in free agency.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:26 pm    Post subject:

fontana3d wrote:
scoobs wrote:
scoobs wrote:
AY2043 wrote:
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Clarkson and Randle are worse than Oladipo and Sabonis. I dont see why they do that. I guess Iwould include Zubac, but do they really need another center?

Oladipo is better than JC, but his contract is god awful. And I take Randle over Sabonis all day.
Yeah, that is true about Oladipos contract. But, I like Sabonis better. Hopefully OKC would accept an offer of Randle, Clarkson, Zubac, Hart, 2018 2nd, 2019 2nd and 2020 1st for PG13.
Forget the deadline, lets do this right now. Maybe OKC would just prefer that package over the players that they traded for PG13. Maybe that was their motivation the whole time? Maybe they have buyers remourse? Maybe PG13s people are in his ear telling them to trade him?


I doubt that OKC wants to make the playoffs this season, and wants to keep Westbrook too thus why they will hold on to George.


Yes, push for a top 4 seed in the West and hope that Westbrook can convince George to stay.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:41 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
scoobs wrote:
scoobs wrote:
AY2043 wrote:
scoobs wrote:
Clarkson and Randle are worse than Oladipo and Sabonis. I dont see why they do that. I guess Iwould include Zubac, but do they really need another center?

Oladipo is better than JC, but his contract is god awful. And I take Randle over Sabonis all day.
Yeah, that is true about Oladipos contract. But, I like Sabonis better. Hopefully OKC would accept an offer of Randle, Clarkson, Zubac, Hart, 2018 2nd, 2019 2nd and 2020 1st for PG13.
Forget the deadline, lets do this right now. Maybe OKC would just prefer that package over the players that they traded for PG13. Maybe that was their motivation the whole time? Maybe they have buyers remourse? Maybe PG13s people are in his ear telling them to trade him?


I doubt that OKC wants to make the playoffs this season, and wants to keep Westbrook too thus why they will hold on to George.


Yes, push for a top 4 seed in the West and hope that Westbrook can convince George to stay.


Then get slapped by the Warriors in the 2nd round.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:22 pm    Post subject:

kobe_luver wrote:
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If Paul George decides that he wants to spend the rest of his career in L.A., is willing to bet on himself and sacrifice a little bit of security, and the Lakers can convince Presti to trade Paul George and all of a sudden the Lakers could have a ton more money in 2018 than most people expected.



A package around Ball or Ingram might get it done

That's insane


I agree. I read that three times because I couldn't believe what I was reading.


I think OP is talking about CP3 type post verbal agreement trade that instead of outright signing UFA PG, we try to open up cap space by unloading some contract to OKC (giving them assets)... doesn't mean it has to be Ball or Ingram, more likely JC, Zubac, Picks, current rookies or even Randle
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