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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:15 pm    Post subject:

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The stats guys on twitter are killing him.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:16 pm    Post subject:

Hope they dont have to cut Nwaba to get to 18 mil
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:17 pm    Post subject:

jonnybravo wrote:
Doberman @ the 2!


For real this time?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:19 pm    Post subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDRan-kheZA

Excellent defensive awareness, and he doesn't die on screens.. Fights even when beat off the dribble.

Here he is giving Steph and Klay trouble.
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AY2043 wrote:
Honestly can't believe we got this dude. He was on my "want, but don't think we have a chance in hell" list at the start of the offseason.

Also, I've always wanted to start an OFFICIAL thread


No kidding! Such an exciting signing!


Can anyone explain to me how in the hell a player like this is renounced?

Jesus Magic is one of the luckiest SOBs I've ever seen.

Needed a top 3 pick...check

Needed a leader...check

Needed to unload a horrendous contract...check

Needed a dope SG to replace DLo...check

This team just got worlds better than last year roster, chemistry, and talent wise in 1 offseason with ZERO wiggle room.

AND we're open for business next year?

I LOVE MAGIC!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:21 pm    Post subject:

Doc JC wrote:
Practice wrote:
The stats guys on twitter are killing him.


Please elaborate


Cranjis McBasketball twitter (@T1m_NBA ). He is killing my good vibes although the positives are he's above average on catch and shoot and PnR scoring
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:22 pm    Post subject:

Does anyone know whether he has a nickname... or do they just call him Kentavious?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:23 pm    Post subject:

bandiger wrote:
Doc JC wrote:
Practice wrote:
The stats guys on twitter are killing him.


Please elaborate


Cranjis McBasketball twitter (@T1m_NBA ). He is killing my good vibes although the positives are he's above average on catch and shoot and PnR scoring


Stat guys rarely pay attention to defense and even when they do defensive stats are extremely flawed, I'm optimistic
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:23 pm    Post subject:

Chase.button07 wrote:
lalakersfan88 wrote:
not to damper the excitement but this past March he was arrested for DUI and will handed a 2 game suspension by the NBA to be served at the beginning of this upcoming season.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19044436/detroit-pistons-guard-kentavious-caldwell-pope-arrested-suspicion-dui


u posted same thing in 2 threads?

its just 2 games, lets enjoy KCP while there was no decent FA left


Some people see a happy camp fire and can't help but micturate on it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:24 pm    Post subject:

bandiger wrote:
Doc JC wrote:
Practice wrote:
The stats guys on twitter are killing him.


Please elaborate


Cranjis McBasketball twitter (@T1m_NBA ). He is killing my good vibes although the positives are he's above average on catch and shoot and PnR scoring


He had Reggie Jackson passing him the ball in Detroit
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:25 pm    Post subject:

bandiger wrote:
Doc JC wrote:
Practice wrote:
The stats guys on twitter are killing him.


Please elaborate


Cranjis McBasketball twitter (@T1m_NBA ). He is killing my good vibes although the positives are he's above average on catch and shoot and PnR scoring

I mean honestly though, the alternatives at 2 were Hart and JC. Surely KCP is a better option than those two. And there weren't any other decent FA's of note
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:25 pm    Post subject:

chantruong wrote:
Looks like the Celtics indirectly helped us. Could bite them in May


It's times like this that LG needs a 'Like' Button.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:26 pm    Post subject:

System also makes a huge difference. From the few times I saw the pistons play, aren't they a slower paced team?

KCP seems built to run all game long.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:26 pm    Post subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDRan-kheZA
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:26 pm    Post subject:

CervantesRises wrote:
incontrol__ wrote:
AY2043 wrote:
Honestly can't believe we got this dude. He was on my "want, but don't think we have a chance in hell" list at the start of the offseason.

Also, I've always wanted to start an OFFICIAL thread


No kidding! Such an exciting signing!


Can anyone explain to me how in the hell a player like this is renounced?

Jesus Magic is one of the luckiest SOBs I've ever seen.

Needed a top 3 pick...check

Needed a leader...check

Needed to unload a horrendous contract...check

Needed a dope SG to replace DLo...check

This team just got worlds better than last year roster, chemistry, and talent wise in 1 offseason with ZERO wiggle room.

AND we're open for business next year?

I LOVE MAGIC!


I though I read Detroit was hard capped. They also probably didn't want to pay him what his agent was demanding. Either way, their loss our gain
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:28 pm    Post subject:

JohnWick wrote:
For those of you unfamiliar with KCP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGMYkEcnT-4


a young Vince Carter
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:28 pm    Post subject:

AY2043 wrote:
bandiger wrote:
Doc JC wrote:
Practice wrote:
The stats guys on twitter are killing him.


Please elaborate


Cranjis McBasketball twitter (@T1m_NBA ). He is killing my good vibes although the positives are he's above average on catch and shoot and PnR scoring

I mean honestly though, the alternatives at 2 were Hart and JC. Surely KCP is a better option than those two. And there weren't any other decent FA's of note


I don't think it's even in question. KCP's ability (supposedly) to guard the opposing teams best G and lock him down ALONE makes this a huge signing. His highlights clearly show he will have the ability to run and finish at the rim.

The big question mark is if he will be able to shoot a high enough % from 3 to really make him valuable.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:28 pm    Post subject:

Only 3 years older than DLO FYI.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:29 pm    Post subject:

dlofan wrote:
CervantesRises wrote:
incontrol__ wrote:
AY2043 wrote:
Honestly can't believe we got this dude. He was on my "want, but don't think we have a chance in hell" list at the start of the offseason.

Also, I've always wanted to start an OFFICIAL thread


No kidding! Such an exciting signing!


Can anyone explain to me how in the hell a player like this is renounced?

Jesus Magic is one of the luckiest SOBs I've ever seen.

Needed a top 3 pick...check

Needed a leader...check

Needed to unload a horrendous contract...check

Needed a dope SG to replace DLo...check

This team just got worlds better than last year roster, chemistry, and talent wise in 1 offseason with ZERO wiggle room.

AND we're open for business next year?

I LOVE MAGIC!


I though I read Detroit was hard capped. They also probably didn't want to pay him what his agent was demanding. Either way, their loss our gain


He turned down a 5 year 80 mil contract.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:29 pm    Post subject:

JohnWick wrote:
For those of you unfamiliar with KCP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGMYkEcnT-4


damn, this dude really loves those 1 handed monster dunks. That'll be fun to see
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:30 pm    Post subject:

dlofan wrote:
CervantesRises wrote:
incontrol__ wrote:
AY2043 wrote:
Honestly can't believe we got this dude. He was on my "want, but don't think we have a chance in hell" list at the start of the offseason.

Also, I've always wanted to start an OFFICIAL thread


No kidding! Such an exciting signing!


Can anyone explain to me how in the hell a player like this is renounced?

Jesus Magic is one of the luckiest SOBs I've ever seen.

Needed a top 3 pick...check

Needed a leader...check

Needed to unload a horrendous contract...check

Needed a dope SG to replace DLo...check

This team just got worlds better than last year roster, chemistry, and talent wise in 1 offseason with ZERO wiggle room.

AND we're open for business next year?

I LOVE MAGIC!


I though I read Detroit was hard capped. They also probably didn't want to pay him what his agent was demanding. Either way, their loss our gain


Avery Bradley is good player...but I'm all about paying guys I developed insane money...this kid looks lightening quick and ferocious on D...paired with Ball and in Luke's system..

He gonna be able to back up the brink's truck next June.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:31 pm    Post subject:

We've been starving for a good defender, so much so we call poor average. KCP has the potential to lock down, rotate and hit 3's eventually like Ariza or dare we say Coop level?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:32 pm    Post subject:

Pope will be licking his chops next to Lonzo.

Good pickup and a really good complimentary player.

Gotta have faith.

Thank you Magic for getting it done.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:32 pm    Post subject:

Damn, the numbers on his defense are really bad.

https://twitter.com/T1m_NBA/status/884998869779709952
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:33 pm    Post subject:

Doc JC wrote:
Practice wrote:
The stats guys on twitter are killing him.


Please elaborate


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KCP

62nd best SG in DRPM
22nd %ile ODR

20th %ile driving D
10th %ile iso D
39th %ile off screen D

I have concerns about that defense

Cranjis McBurnItDown‏ @T1m_NBA 35m35 minutes ago
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39th %ile jump shooting D
26th %ile off dribble D
7th %ile mid range D
11th %ile floater D
13th %ile post D
35th %ile spot up D

Cranjis McBurnItDown‏ @T1m_NBA 31m31 minutes ago

Positives from KCP's defense:

82nd %ile guarded catch and shoot defense

Best PnR defense on team (although just in 42nd %ile)

Cranjis McBurnItDown‏ @T1m_NBA 31m31 minutes ago

39th %ile for overall PnR offense when you incorporate passes as well. 13th %ile on those pass outs

Cranjis McBurnItDown‏ @T1m_NBA 27m27 minutes ago
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KCP was 9th worst in driving efficiency of the 210 players who had 100+ drives last season

Cranjis McBurnItDown‏ @T1m_NBA 23m23 minutes ago
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Just checked Synergy for historical KCP data and defensively he's had the same weaknesses every year since he's been in the league

Cranjis McBurnItDown‏ @T1m_NBA 22m22 minutes ago
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This isn't one fluky year of weird defensive data. He's consistently poor defending PnR, iso, off screens, drives, and off dribble shots

Cranjis McBurnItDown‏ @T1m_NBA 13m13 minutes ago
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Offensively KCP brings a couple skills:

70th %ile PnR scoring (13th %ile passing)

67th %ile catch & shoot

Those the only 2 big positives

Cranjis McBurnItDown‏ @T1m_NBA 9m9 minutes ago
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Playing w/Jackson & Drummond doesn't help (2 awful defenders), but remove those 2 & KCP is Detroit's worst defender by PPP


There's more from other people, but this is already a lot.
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