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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:46 am    Post subject:

I can't wait to see this guy on defense

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:49 am    Post subject:

It's interesting that our guest kept bringing up "38 minutes".

I don't think KCP will get more than 30-32 minutes. Clarkson is gonna get a lot of minutes obviously, but luke will have to play brewer somewhere as well
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:57 am    Post subject:

Chronicle wrote:
It's interesting that our guest kept bringing up "38 minutes".

I don't think KCP will get more than 30-32 minutes. Clarkson is gonna get a lot of minutes obviously, but luke will have to play brewer somewhere as well


PG: Lonzo (29-30); backup PG (18-19mpg available)
SG: KCP (32-33); backup PG (15-16mpg available).

We have JC, Hart, Caruso.

We are looking for a backup PG apparently with the room exception.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:03 am    Post subject:

lakerican wrote:
Well to be fair, in 2016-2017 he had 20 games of 37+ minutes including

41:40 game
40:53 game
48:28 game

and after that game

he had a 39:43 game and
a 3:43 game followed by 4 DNP so we can suggested that here was when he got hurt.

After returning from injury he had

40:51
46:36

Then Detroit began to fade his minutes. If you look closely, maybe having problems & hurting because his shooting from downtown was awful @ the end of season

1-9
2-10
2-11
3-10
0-4 (3 times)

So maybe was it was a combination of injury + no legs + fed up + tired.

Just saying; I think this kid will be a defense changer for our team.


Is this guy Kobe playing for MDA?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:24 am    Post subject:

Dr. Funkbot wrote:
lakerican wrote:
Well to be fair, in 2016-2017 he had 20 games of 37+ minutes including

41:40 game
40:53 game
48:28 game

and after that game

he had a 39:43 game and
a 3:43 game followed by 4 DNP so we can suggested that here was when he got hurt.

After returning from injury he had

40:51
46:36

Then Detroit began to fade his minutes. If you look closely, maybe having problems & hurting because his shooting from downtown was awful @ the end of season

1-9
2-10
2-11
3-10
0-4 (3 times)

So maybe was it was a combination of injury + no legs + fed up + tired.

Just saying; I think this kid will be a defense changer for our team.


Is this guy Kobe playing for MDA?


Is KCP playing for SVG
and in 2015-2016 it was worse.

38 games with 37+ minutes including a 4 game 40+mins strech. ouch!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:50 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:00 am    Post subject:

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KCP is probably going to be an all star. BUT But BUT. Your coach has to tell your other players that they have to play D like KCP does too or KCP will get worn out going 38 minutes a night because he doesn't know anything but high gear. If your coach gets to where he feels like he can't give KCP a blow and keep him around 33 to 36 mpg, the way he plays, he will get worn down and then that's when he starts taking bad shots.


I don't know what to think about this. KCP averaged 33.3 mpg last year.


Unless Detroit Bad Boy is part of the KCP team... agent staff, family member... I appreciate his insights into the player. However, I also wonder why his FG% wasn't higher in college if this theory were true. His senior year was quite decent... but overall his averages are similar to his pro career... So this would contradict his theory about overwork... unless he had a similarly bad team at Georgia too.


Sure. I don't mean to be Debbie Downer. KCP might be as good as this guy suggests. However, there are any number of people from this forum who are perfectly capable of going to a Nets board (assuming that such a thing exists) and writing a piece about how Russell is going to be an all-star.

I'm trying to figure out what we really got when we signed KCP. This guy says that he is a ferocious defender who will wear himself out and take bad shots if you don't limit his minutes. I look at the stats, and I see a guy who was an above average (though not elite) defender two years ago, then had his minutes reduced last year and played poor defense. His three point percentage went up, though it was still below average. His two point percentage went down.

I'll be interested to see this guy play. I'm still not sure what we got.


I think it had more to do with the injury really. Before the injury he was lights out. After his grade-2 left rotator cuff strain

Pre-Injury (39 games) shot 42.6% including 40.4% from 3 (88-218)
Post-Injury (36 games) shot 36.8% including 29.7% from 3 (65-219)

That isn't all that dropped though...

Pre-Injury 3.49 rebounds per game, 3.03 assists per game, 1.31 steals per game
Post-Injury 3.11 rebounds per game, 2.06 assists per game, 1 steal per game

The difference in playing minutes per game only went down from 34.31 to 33.06 so the drop in numbers is pretty telling. It could have been tired legs, but I think it had more to do with his shoulder. The drop in almost a full assist per game is a sign to me that his shoulder was still affecting him and he was playing through it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:31 am    Post subject:

jamonit wrote:
I think it had more to do with the injury really. Before the injury he was lights out. After his grade-2 left rotator cuff strain

Pre-Injury (39 games) shot 42.6% including 40.4% from 3 (88-218)
Post-Injury (36 games) shot 36.8% including 29.7% from 3 (65-219)

That isn't all that dropped though...

Pre-Injury 3.49 rebounds per game, 3.03 assists per game, 1.31 steals per game
Post-Injury 3.11 rebounds per game, 2.06 assists per game, 1 steal per game

The difference in playing minutes per game only went down from 34.31 to 33.06 so the drop in numbers is pretty telling. It could have been tired legs, but I think it had more to do with his shoulder. The drop in almost a full assist per game is a sign to me that his shoulder was still affecting him and he was playing through it.


That's helpful information. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:20 pm    Post subject:

The motor on this guy seems to be unreal. That seems to be a common theme with this new team.

Lonzo
KCP
Randle

3 guys in the starting lineup that have engines that go all game long. I expect randle to be able to use that energy on the defensive end more consistently this season and by mid season our team should b In much better shape than everyone else. It's up to Luke to manage the minutes tho.

Then when the bench comes in

Clarkson
Hart
Kuzma
Nance


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:21 pm    Post subject:

You imagine the motor of KCP with his defense, Ingram's defense, and Randle's motor and him not getting tired after the off-season of work he put in, and add that with Lonzo's style and you got a team that will run so many teams out of the building on that intensity alone.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:49 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
You imagine the motor of KCP with his defense, Ingram's defense, and Randle's motor and him not getting tired after the off-season of work he put in, and add that with Lonzo's style and you got a team that will run so many teams out of the building on that intensity alone.


Yup. Hopefully Luke keeps the minutes down so our guys stay fresh. Nobody over 30mpg imo
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:02 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
You imagine the motor of KCP with his defense, Ingram's defense, and Randle's motor and him not getting tired after the off-season of work he put in, and add that with Lonzo's style and you got a team that will run so many teams out of the building on that intensity alone.


slide Randle to the 5 for a brief death line up, pretty sure Kuzma and Nance can run (ok maybe Deng too, in spurts)

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:11 pm    Post subject:

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KCP is probably going to be an all star. BUT But BUT. Your coach has to tell your other players that they have to play D like KCP does too or KCP will get worn out going 38 minutes a night because he doesn't know anything but high gear. If your coach gets to where he feels like he can't give KCP a blow and keep him around 33 to 36 mpg, the way he plays, he will get worn down and then that's when he starts taking bad shots.


I don't know what to think about this. KCP averaged 33.3 mpg last year.


You have to look at the stretches.

near the end of December through January before his injury this were the minutes he played

End of December
41
39
30
39
January
40
39
33
48
40
Injury

That's 38.7 MPG across 9 Games and then he got hurt.

January is when the shoulder injury happened, in the 5 games he'd played in January before the injury he put up

18.6 PPG
4.0 REB
3.4 AST
1.8 STL
Field Goal 48.5%
Three Point 51.6%

And was on a 14 game stretch that saw him look the best he'd looked and on the verge. That 14 game stretch he put up

15.9 PPG
3.4 REB
2.7 AST
1.4 STL
Field Goal 45.7%
Three Point 45.2%

But he played some heavy minutes at the end of December and through January till he got hurt. 38.7 MPG across the 9 games before the injury, and considering the intensity he plays with and the motor he has, that's probably what Detroit Bad Boy was talking about.


Then when he came back from the injury his next 5 games minutes

37
34
36
39
37

36.6 MPG

Which is 2 mins down but seems less terrible, till you factor in this is coming off an injury that kept him out for 5 games.

SVG finally dropped his minutes over the next 3 games.. but then right after that the next 7 games..

35
41
33
37
43
36
47

38.8 MPG Which is actually higher than he was playing the 9 game stretch before his injury...

This is also coming off injury, and he never really recovered throughout the rest of the season and you can see it in the numbers, those last 3 January games

12.3 PPG
2.7 REB
2.7 AST
2.0 STL
Field Goal 26.8%
Three Point 21.1%

And then the rest of the way through February, March and April..

February 15.5/4/2.5 40% from the field 34% from three (12 games)
March 13/3/2 38% from the field 31% from three (17 games)
April 7/3/1.5 28% from the field 18% from three (4 games)


So you can see what Detroit Bad Boy was talking about clearly.


that's why just looking at the average across the season doesn't tell the whole story, cause when you pinpoint these moments and you watch the situations surrounding them, you see precisely what he was referring to.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:49 pm    Post subject:

Pope Kentavious, first of his name. Welcome!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:43 pm    Post subject:

I'm so thrilled that we got a bonafide 3 and d guy to pair with Lonzo in the backcourt.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:12 pm    Post subject:

this is such a great signing. terrific fit both on the court and age wise. KCP is at that point in his career when he's about to truly break out.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:25 pm    Post subject:

PICKnPOP wrote:
I can't wait to see this guy on defense

https://youtu.be/NEo6S4YukUg


Wow. I had seen him play some but this guy does it night in and night out and did it against the league's best.

Really looking forward to him and Lonzo together. We just may already have our backcourt of the future.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:36 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
You have to look at the stretches.
.....
And was on a 14 game stretch that saw him look the best he'd looked and on the verge. That 14 game stretch he put up

15.9 PPG
3.4 REB
2.7 AST
1.4 STL
Field Goal 45.7%
Three Point 45.2%
. "On the verge" indeed.
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And then the rest of the way through February, March and April..

February 15.5/4/2.5 40% from the field 34% from three (12 games)
March 13/3/2 38% from the field 31% from three (17 games)
April 7/3/1.5 28% from the field 18% from three (4 games)
. Lets hope that the pre-injury KCP is the one the Lakers get in 2017-18. If the pre-injury KCP shows up, the Lakers have a marvelous match to Ball, Ingram, Randall and Lopez.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:46 pm    Post subject:

Has he been officialy introduced yet?
I would like to watch his press conference.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:49 pm    Post subject:

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Has he been officialy introduced yet?
I would like to watch his press conference.


Not yet. I think on Tuesday.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:59 pm    Post subject:

Nice, thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:55 pm    Post subject:

Hopefully he'll be good for another first rounder come the trading deadline too.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:47 am    Post subject:

KCP locking down PG13: https://youtu.be/h4HOlBE2TtE

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Annihilator wrote:
MJST wrote:
You have to look at the stretches.
.....
And was on a 14 game stretch that saw him look the best he'd looked and on the verge. That 14 game stretch he put up

15.9 PPG
3.4 REB
2.7 AST
1.4 STL
Field Goal 45.7%
Three Point 45.2%
. "On the verge" indeed.
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And then the rest of the way through February, March and April..

February 15.5/4/2.5 40% from the field 34% from three (12 games)
March 13/3/2 38% from the field 31% from three (17 games)
April 7/3/1.5 28% from the field 18% from three (4 games)
. Lets hope that the pre-injury KCP is the one the Lakers get in 2017-18. If the pre-injury KCP shows up, the Lakers have a marvelous match to Ball, Ingram, Randall and Lopez.


I hope that too and for it to last the entire season.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:48 am    Post subject:

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Is this guy Kobe playing for MDA?


Joking aside I think it was here that a Pistons fan came on and gave us a scouting report about him and said SVG was playing the dude absurd minutes because nobody else could defend on that team. I think SVG actually called his players out in the press one time saying he couldn't play Kentavious 48 minutes a night and somebody else was going to have to learn to defend.

A lightened workload could do wonders for him but personally I think the way we are playing with Lonzo at the helm is going to bring the absolute best out of this guy. If you see his highlights he's usually hitting threes with somebody draped all over his, Lonzo gets him more open we could see a good year from him because the stroke he has is very, very smooth.

Not to mention the benefits of him running the court on those outlets. I really think this is a guy we're gonna be upset we can't re-sign next year if we're swinging for the fences. I don't think we've seen his kind since Ariza and that guy was probably one of my favorite Lakers ever.
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