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How Do You Rate Magic & Rob's First Offseason
A+
20%
 20%  [ 42 ]
A
29%
 29%  [ 62 ]
A-
16%
 16%  [ 35 ]
B+
14%
 14%  [ 30 ]
B
7%
 7%  [ 15 ]
B-
5%
 5%  [ 11 ]
C
3%
 3%  [ 8 ]
D
2%
 2%  [ 6 ]
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:49 am    Post subject: Grade Magic & Rob - Summary of FO Moves

February 21st - Magic Johnson Hired as President of Basketball Operations. Lou Williams traded to Houston for Corey Brewer (2 Years remaining) & 1st Round Pick (Pick would be traded again and become Josh Hart & Thomas Bryant)

March 7th - Rob Pelinka Hired.

March 21st - Lakers Sign David Nwaba to Non-Guaranteed Multiyear Contract.

May 27th - Lakers retain #2 Pick in upcoming draft and 2019 1st round pick.

June 20th - Lakers trade D'Angelo Russell & T. Mozgoz to Brooklyn for Brook Lopez (expiring) & 27th Pick (Kyle Kuzma).

June 22nd - Lakers Draft Lonzo Ball(2), Kyle Kuzma(27), Josh Hart(30), Thomas Bryant(42).

July 11th - Lakers sign Kentavious Caldwell-Pope to 1 year 17.7M contract. Still retain 4.3M exception.

July 12th - Lakers release David Nwaba. (Hope he clears waivers and can resign him to minimum)

2016 ---- 2017
DLo ---- Ball
Young ---- KCP
Deng ---- Ingram
Randal ---- Randle
Mozgov ---- Lopez

Lou ---- Clarkson
Clarkson ---- Brewer
Nance ---- Nance
Zubac ---- Zubac
Black ---- Bryant
Calderon ---- Kuzma
Robinson ---- Hart
Huertus ---- Rondo?
MWP ---- Deng

March 21st Cap Space - Max $22,856,044 Inherited Bad Contracts (Mozgov & Deng, possibly Clarkson)

Anticipated Cap Space Summer 2018 - $51,118,578

How do you Grade What This Front Office has accomplished in less than 4 months? And what could they have done to make your grade higher if possible?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:50 am    Post subject:

I gave an A-.

The DLO trade is controversial, but we can't judge it until 2018. But for NOW, we got Lopez/Kuzma and then KCP, so they collectively make up for DLO this season.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:04 pm    Post subject:

I was going to wait till after summer to make this poll, because I felt it was too early. But I gladly answered it anyway.

A.
They got rid of Moz & his contract. We got Bropez, Kuzma, & who ever capspace will bring.

They are directly overseeing Ingram's growth. Remember Ingram was struggling out there before Magic told him to seek out the contact. Now he's a baby monster.

Tampering Schmampering. We clearly know how the game works and are playing it to its full potential. How do we magically know that we need two max spots next season?

KCP. Grand Slam. Nuff Said.

If we can shed some contracts, especially Deng, and sign a decent back up point guard with our MLE, I'll give them an A++.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:08 pm    Post subject:

Pretty pleased so far. Was sad to see Russell go but that trade is a little TBD. Lopez and Young Pope are pretty terrific placeholders. We will see how they spend their money the next couple of years when they really have money to spend.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:09 pm    Post subject:

Incomplete, as we don't know whether the free agent strategy will work. If we get a couple major free agents next season, this is an A. If we don't, this is a D at best.

If I have to grade it just on the quality of the moves without giving any consideration to the underlying free agent strategy, I'd give it a C-. The Russell trade is a freaking train wreck without the cap space angle. Regardless of what you think of Russell, we did not get anything close to his market value, except for the cap space angle. Lonzo was the obvious pick at #2. Kuzma, Hart, and Bryant strike me as bench fodder at best, though I'll credit the FO for playing their cards deftly. Still, we wound up losing Nwaba, who is at the same level as those three. The FO did not play that deftly. I like the KCP rental.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:21 pm    Post subject:

I just love how every player they bring in (excluding Lopez who is sort of a salary dump) actually plays defense. That is key in my book and will help put W's on the board.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:28 pm    Post subject:

I love all the players they brought in and that they're really emphasizing defense which is incredibly important.

I was somewhat emotionally attached to DLO, was my favorite player on the team. I'm still pretty sour over the trade which I thought was a mistake so I personally give it a C.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:37 pm    Post subject:

It all depends on getting top free agents next year.
If we can't get nobody, this summer's been worth nothing.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:38 pm    Post subject:

amazing FO - A+. they changed Randal's name to Randle. That's an unprecedented FO move.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:42 pm    Post subject:

Thug24Life8 wrote:
I love all the players they brought in and that they're really emphasizing defense which is incredibly important.

I was somewhat emotionally attached to DLO, was my favorite player on the team. I'm still pretty sour over the trade which I thought was a mistake so I personally give it a C.


I feel the same and I would not be going for a free agency approach but I acknowledge in terms of what THEIR vision is, they've done very well.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:05 pm    Post subject:

A + plus for me.

Kept our Eliot Ness, got rid of expendables.

Weeded out negatives and change the cultures

Suckered Brooklyn into taking Moz.

Snatched KCP and we ain't even a major playa in this year FA.

Maintain our sacred cap space for the big picture.

If they can get rid of Deng

It will break my scale
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:08 pm    Post subject:

A+
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:15 pm    Post subject:

44TheLogo wrote:
amazing FO - A+. they changed Randal's name to Randle. That's an unprecedented FO move.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:15 pm    Post subject:

danzag wrote:
It all depends on getting top free agents next year.
If we can't get nobody, this summer's been worth nothing.


Even when looking at the drastic difference between 2016 and 2017 opening day rosters?

Respect your opinion, but I can't agree with that. DLO is a good player that can develop still, but he's not some transcendent talent we gave away. When they shopped him solo for a first round pick there were no takers in the top 15...that should say something.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:16 pm    Post subject:

AFireInside619 wrote:
44TheLogo wrote:
amazing FO - A+. they changed Randal's name to Randle. That's an unprecedented FO move.




I always misspell his name. LOL.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:16 pm    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
Pretty pleased so far. Was sad to see Russell go but that trade is a little TBD. Lopez and Young Pope are pretty terrific placeholders. We will see how they spend their money the next couple of years when they really have money to spend.
Sums it up nicely.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:17 pm    Post subject:

I give them a B for not bringing back jerry West and letting him go to the clippers
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:33 pm    Post subject:

A.

We are now outright stronger at every position compared to last year with high character, higher IQ players. Don't really know what else fans could reasonably ask for.

Will be an easy A+ if the FO can find a way to safely dump Deng.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:34 pm    Post subject:

999 wrote:
I give them a B for not bringing back jerry West and letting him go to the clippers


True- I almost forgot about that! HUUUUGE mistake.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:39 pm    Post subject:

F- for waiving Nwaba.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:40 pm    Post subject:

One interesting comparison is to look at the estimated value of the players over the next five years using fivethirtyeight's CARMELO of last seasons roster compared to now (values in millions over the five year period):

2017-----------2018
DLo (88.3) ---Ball (134.8)
Young (-0.4) ---- KCP (94.3)
Deng (13.8)--- Ingram (35.5)
Randle (41.5) ---Randle (41.5)
Mozgov (-8.9) -- Lopez (61.4)
Lou (26.6) ---Clarkson (-3.3)
Clarkson(-3.3)--- Brewer (1)
Nance (64.2)-- Nance (64.2)
Zubac (27.1) ---Zubac (27.1)
Black (11) ---Bryant (7.2)
Calderon (-2.6) ---Kuzma (4.2)
Robinson (8.8) --- Hart (13.5)
Ingram (35.5)
Huertus (-2.8)
Ennis (12.8)
Nwaba (6.2)
MWP (-2.6) ---Deng (13.8)

2017 estimated value (315.2)
2018 estimated value (495.2)

Of course, the Carmelo analysis is not perfect as the projections may have a large variance. With the caveat that these estimates may be off, it does suggest that the roster has significantly improved. In addition, to the players on the roster having greater value. The cap situation has vastly improved, allowing them to potentially add additional value to the team.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:42 pm    Post subject:

No idea what that means but I like it!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:42 pm    Post subject:

B

-We were unable to sign any major free agents other than KCP (who I really like).
-Couldn't trade for PG (which I'm ok with).
- Not happy about losing Dlo but I absolutely love Ball.
-Still have old man Deng who may end up costing us Randle or Clarkson to dump.
-Drafted really well.

All in all it's been a good summer so far but I can't justify an A.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:42 pm    Post subject:

By mid season We'll find out if were still the no defense playing laughing stock of the league or if we grew some pride and leave it all out on the court.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:24 pm    Post subject:

B+ for me. I think that DLo would've ultimately been a casualty in any MozDeng deal we would've done in a noncontract year, which helps me get over the deal slightly. Every other move I've pretty much approved of. The only thing I never will agree with is the timing of our attempt to try to sign two max FA's, which prevents me from giving Maglinka a higher grade.
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