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| 32 wrote: | | Last night Lonzo called him a 4. |
Was Lonzo saying last night in postgame that Kuzma is faster than most of the "4s" or "forwards" out there?
Faster than other "4s"? I totally see that.
But faster than the other "forwards"? If that's true, yikes. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| Chronicle wrote: | | dcastillo wrote: | | He has a chandler parsons(before injuries) type game to him. |
He's not a ball handler imo |
He's as much one as Parsons.
Anyway, we don't need him iso-ing.
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LakerEric
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Kuzma is producing better than Tatum which is kinda cool. I believe Kuzma will definitely be a rotational player and intrigued to see what his ceiling could be. I think a ton of us were high on Hart but lukewarm on Kuzma but he's been terrific and benefiting from Lonzo.
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the moment Jules becomes the ball stopper we all know him to be with some fancy dribbling, robbing lonzo of an easy assist by not "just scoring" off the nice pass zo gave him, is when we will start to see kuzma start,,,
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| eddiejonze wrote: | | the moment Jules becomes the ball stopper we all know him to be with some fancy dribbling, robbing lonzo of an easy assist by not "just scoring" off the nice pass zo gave him, is when we will start to see kuzma start,,, |
True...if Jules hasn't changed his game. LOL
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| eddiejonze wrote: | | the moment Jules becomes the ball stopper we all know him to be |
Speak for yourself
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| eddiejonze wrote: | | the moment Jules becomes the ball stopper we all know him to be with some fancy dribbling, robbing lonzo of an easy assist by not "just scoring" off the nice pass zo gave him, is when we will start to see kuzma start,,, |
Is Luke crazy enough to still encourage him to dribble the ball up with Lonzo basically dominating the game from 60-feet? We shall see.
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Jbar805
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Im gonna be quite honest. Randle is a me first player. He likes to look pretty instead of being good. He tries to SWAG too much.
1. Defense is HORRIBLE!!! ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE! And its more because of a lack of effort from what I see on the court. He wants to try to be a scorer first and foremost so he isn't engaged on defense which hangs the team out to dry.
2. He tries to drive the lane like hes a Guard and most of the time he just turns the ball over because of how sloppy and careless he is.
3. He cherry picks his rebounds. As a PF you should be in the paint doing some dirty work. He does not. Sits back and waits for the ball to come to him.
4. Soft at the rim. Whether its cuz he has short arms or he just wants to look pretty with his layups but he tries to finesse too much when you should just throw it down.
5. He is a pre Madonna. Was listening to 710 last year and they were talking about how Luke had to call Randle and kiss his ass to see if he was ok after Luke tried to coach him up and was a little hard on him. That type of negativity rubs off on young players. Cant baby these girls.
6. Last but not least, his jump shot is awful.
What I would prefer on the court is for Nance to start because he is a more well rounded player and doesn't stagger the team with his defensive play. Then have Randle off the bench and Kuzma splitting minutes. Kuzma is looking like he will be good on both sides of the ball. He has a nice spot up shot and he also plays good defense.
Just my 2 cents. |
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Don't you mean blessing in the skies?
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Kuzma likely won't be starting, but in terms of the future...
Does it really matter if he's a 'Power Forward'? The idea of positionless basketball has taken hold recently, but has been a concept for a while now.
To me, when we think about players as 1s-5s, their position on the floor is defined more in terms of defense. Since players aren't as pigeonholed and teams vary drastically, Kuzma will play more 3 or 4 depending on competition. If he faces one of the rare bruising 4s, you may want to avoid that matchup defensively...or not, since Kuzma would have a favorable matchup on the offensive end with his quickness.
Forget positions. As Muthu Alagappan outlined, players should be defined by their skills and styles. |
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| Jbar805 wrote: | Im gonna be quite honest. Randle is a me first player. He likes to look pretty instead of being good. He tries to SWAG too much.
1. Defense is HORRIBLE!!! ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE! And its more because of a lack of effort from what I see on the court. He wants to try to be a scorer first and foremost so he isn't engaged on defense which hangs the team out to dry.
2. He tries to drive the lane like hes a Guard and most of the time he just turns the ball over because of how sloppy and careless he is.
3. He cherry picks his rebounds. As a PF you should be in the paint doing some dirty work. He does not. Sits back and waits for the ball to come to him.
4. Soft at the rim. Whether its cuz he has short arms or he just wants to look pretty with his layups but he tries to finesse too much when you should just throw it down.
5. He is a Prima donna. Was listening to 710 last year and they were talking about how Luke had to call Randle and kiss his ass to see if he was ok after Luke tried to coach him up and was a little hard on him. That type of negativity rubs off on young players. Cant baby these girls.
6. Last but not least, his jump shot is awful.
What I would prefer on the court is for Nance to start because he is a more well rounded player and doesn't stagger the team with his defensive play. Then have Randle off the bench and Kuzma splitting minutes. Kuzma is looking like he will be good on both sides of the ball. He has a nice spot up shot and he also plays good defense.
Just my 2 cents. |
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| eddiejonze wrote: | | the moment Jules becomes the ball stopper we all know him to be with some fancy dribbling, robbing lonzo of an easy assist by not "just scoring" off the nice pass zo gave him, is when we will start to see kuzma start,,, |
Kuzma will start if he learns to be a playmaker, stops avoiding contact and his shooting isn't streaky. Oh, and if he can adapt to the NBA game. Since he has played 0 NBA games, this thread is ridiculous. We aren't tanking this season.
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I won't bag on Randle, he is going to want to prove he is worth a big contract this year. If he plays that well he is likely to earn the of position. If we can afford him will be something we will see next offseason.
Kuz looks sort of like Richard Jefferson of the last couple of years. Sturdy heady rotation and perimeter player. A big who can hit 3'a is going to get minutes. |
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Kuz is a decent insurance plan just in case Jules has to go for the 2 max plan.
Right now Jules is likely the starting PF. But Kuz has a chance to break into the rotation.
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| MIMLaker wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Last night Lonzo called him a 4. |
Was Lonzo saying last night in postgame that Kuzma is faster than most of the "4s" or "forwards" out there?
Faster than other "4s"? I totally see that.
But faster than the other "forwards"? If that's true, yikes. |
Faster than 4's.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | eddiejonze wrote: | | the moment Jules becomes the ball stopper we all know him to be with some fancy dribbling, robbing lonzo of an easy assist by not "just scoring" off the nice pass zo gave him, is when we will start to see kuzma start,,, |
Kuzma will start if he learns to be a playmaker, stops avoiding contact and his shooting isn't streaky. Oh, and if he can adapt to the NBA game. Since he has played 0 NBA games, this thread is ridiculous. We aren't tanking this season. |
By 'playmaking' do you mean passing? He's passed well this summer and has very high upside there , and passing has been more on the strength side for him in college.
And in 5 games on the NBA court (including the Combine Scrimmage) he's 45% from 3, lol it's awesome. This year or next he's going to be a good 3pt shooter - and possibly great in his prime . Combined w his other skills, he should be a starting caliber player |
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Passing is not playmaking. Playmaking is setting teammates up to score or lead to another score. Making an open pass is good, playmaking is more of a process.
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| I like Kuz a lot, but this is summer league lol. And he's playing with Lonzo. Pump the brakes haha |
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| 22 wrote: | | I like Kuz a lot, but this is summer league lol. And he's playing with Lonzo. Pump the brakes haha |
Too late, him, Nwaba and Caruso are going to lead us to our next title
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| LakerEric wrote: | | Jbar805 wrote: | Im gonna be quite honest. Randle is a me first player. He likes to look pretty instead of being good. He tries to SWAG too much.
1. Defense is HORRIBLE!!! ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE! And its more because of a lack of effort from what I see on the court. He wants to try to be a scorer first and foremost so he isn't engaged on defense which hangs the team out to dry.
2. He tries to drive the lane like hes a Guard and most of the time he just turns the ball over because of how sloppy and careless he is.
3. He cherry picks his rebounds. As a PF you should be in the paint doing some dirty work. He does not. Sits back and waits for the ball to come to him.
4. Soft at the rim. Whether its cuz he has short arms or he just wants to look pretty with his layups but he tries to finesse too much when you should just throw it down.
5. He is a Prima donna. Was listening to 710 last year and they were talking about how Luke had to call Randle and kiss his ass to see if he was ok after Luke tried to coach him up and was a little hard on him. That type of negativity rubs off on young players. Cant baby these girls.
6. Last but not least, his jump shot is awful.
What I would prefer on the court is for Nance to start because he is a more well rounded player and doesn't stagger the team with his defensive play. Then have Randle off the bench and Kuzma splitting minutes. Kuzma is looking like he will be good on both sides of the ball. He has a nice spot up shot and he also plays good defense.
Just my 2 cents. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Passing is not playmaking. Playmaking is setting teammates up to score or lead to another score. Making an open pass is good, playmaking is more of a process. |
Have you seen him pass the ball? He does so in a variety of ways, including showing some nice 'playmaking' upside in SL
We have Lonzo, Ingram, and hopefullly another star wing, who will handle the brunt of playmaking duties |
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Don't you mean blessing in the skies? |
To be fair, never had to type that out before.  |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | I like Kuz a lot, but this is summer league lol. And he's playing with Lonzo. Pump the brakes haha |
Too late, him, Nwaba and Caruso are going to lead us to our next title |
Nobody's saying he's going to lead us to contention. But, to downplay a prospect on our team, becuase you also like other prospects at his position, is stupid |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Passing is not playmaking. Playmaking is setting teammates up to score or lead to another score. Making an open pass is good, playmaking is more of a process. |
Have you seen him pass the ball? He does so in a variety of ways, including showing some nice 'playmaking' upside in SL
We have Lonzo, Ingram, and hopefullly another star wing, who will handle the brunt of playmaking duties |
We can have 5 guys playmaking. Lopez isn't great but he is better than most, plus Ball, KCP, Ingram and Randle can initiate. We are definitely becoming more versatile offensively, that needs to spread to defense.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| MIMLaker wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Last night Lonzo called him a 4. |
Was Lonzo saying last night in postgame that Kuzma is faster than most of the "4s" or "forwards" out there?
Faster than other "4s"? I totally see that.
But faster than the other "forwards"? If that's true, yikes. |
Look at our forwards. Nance, Randle, BI, Brewer. The only guy Kuzma is probably faster than out of those guys is Nance. I wouldn't put too much stock in that statement.
He was also likely just talking about the summer league team |
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