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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Passing is not playmaking. Playmaking is setting teammates up to score or lead to another score. Making an open pass is good, playmaking is more of a process. |
Have you seen him pass the ball? He does so in a variety of ways, including showing some nice 'playmaking' upside in SL
We have Lonzo, Ingram, and hopefullly another star wing, who will handle the brunt of playmaking duties |
We can have 5 guys playmaking. Lopez isn't great but he is better than most, plus Ball, KCP, Ingram and Randle can initiate. We are definitely becoming more versatile offensively, that needs to spread to defense. |
Shooting from a player is better at spreading the defense than playmaking |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | I like Kuz a lot, but this is summer league lol. And he's playing with Lonzo. Pump the brakes haha |
Too late, him, Nwaba and Caruso are going to lead us to our next title |
Nobody's saying he's going to lead us to contention. But, to downplay a prospect on our team, becuase you also like other prospects at his position, is stupid |
The point is it's Summer League, let's wait until we see these guys against NBA players. The players I mentioned are all overrated by fans, and it is our right to do so.
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| LakerEric wrote: | | Jbar805 wrote: | Im gonna be quite honest. Randle is a me first player. He likes to look pretty instead of being good. He tries to SWAG too much.
1. Defense is HORRIBLE!!! ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE! And its more because of a lack of effort from what I see on the court. He wants to try to be a scorer first and foremost so he isn't engaged on defense which hangs the team out to dry.
2. He tries to drive the lane like hes a Guard and most of the time he just turns the ball over because of how sloppy and careless he is.
3. He cherry picks his rebounds. As a PF you should be in the paint doing some dirty work. He does not. Sits back and waits for the ball to come to him.
4. Soft at the rim. Whether its cuz he has short arms or he just wants to look pretty with his layups but he tries to finesse too much when you should just throw it down.
5. He is a Prima donna. Was listening to 710 last year and they were talking about how Luke had to call Randle and kiss his ass to see if he was ok after Luke tried to coach him up and was a little hard on him. That type of negativity rubs off on young players. Cant baby these girls.
6. Last but not least, his jump shot is awful.
What I would prefer on the court is for Nance to start because he is a more well rounded player and doesn't stagger the team with his defensive play. Then have Randle off the bench and Kuzma splitting minutes. Kuzma is looking like he will be good on both sides of the ball. He has a nice spot up shot and he also plays good defense.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | I like Kuz a lot, but this is summer league lol. And he's playing with Lonzo. Pump the brakes haha |
Too late, him, Nwaba and Caruso are going to lead us to our next title |
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| LakerEric wrote: | | Jbar805 wrote: | Im gonna be quite honest. Randle is a me first player. He likes to look pretty instead of being good. He tries to SWAG too much.
1. Defense is HORRIBLE!!! ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE! And its more because of a lack of effort from what I see on the court. He wants to try to be a scorer first and foremost so he isn't engaged on defense which hangs the team out to dry.
2. He tries to drive the lane like hes a Guard and most of the time he just turns the ball over because of how sloppy and careless he is.
3. He cherry picks his rebounds. As a PF you should be in the paint doing some dirty work. He does not. Sits back and waits for the ball to come to him.
4. Soft at the rim. Whether its cuz he has short arms or he just wants to look pretty with his layups but he tries to finesse too much when you should just throw it down.
5. He is a Prima donna. Was listening to 710 last year and they were talking about how Luke had to call Randle and kiss his ass to see if he was ok after Luke tried to coach him up and was a little hard on him. That type of negativity rubs off on young players. Cant baby these girls.
6. Last but not least, his jump shot is awful.
What I would prefer on the court is for Nance to start because he is a more well rounded player and doesn't stagger the team with his defensive play. Then have Randle off the bench and Kuzma splitting minutes. Kuzma is looking like he will be good on both sides of the ball. He has a nice spot up shot and he also plays good defense.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | I like Kuz a lot, but this is summer league lol. And he's playing with Lonzo. Pump the brakes haha |
Too late, him, Nwaba and Caruso are going to lead us to our next title |
Nobody's saying he's going to lead us to contention. But, to downplay a prospect on our team, becuase you also like other prospects at his position, is stupid |
The point is it's Summer League, let's wait until we see these guys against NBA players. The players I mentioned are all overrated by fans, and it is our right to do so. |
Lumping Kuzma in that category isn't warranted - the Lakers drafted Kuzma 27th in a really deep draft.. and he's playing even above their expectations, in multiple facets. Kid deserves zero push-back, for being the best PF in summer league, and doing so in the most modern-NBA way |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Passing is not playmaking. Playmaking is setting teammates up to score or lead to another score. Making an open pass is good, playmaking is more of a process. |
Have you seen him pass the ball? He does so in a variety of ways, including showing some nice 'playmaking' upside in SL
We have Lonzo, Ingram, and hopefullly another star wing, who will handle the brunt of playmaking duties |
We can have 5 guys playmaking. Lopez isn't great but he is better than most, plus Ball, KCP, Ingram and Randle can initiate. We are definitely becoming more versatile offensively, that needs to spread to defense. |
Shooting from a player is better at spreading the defense than playmaking |
Strongly disagree, without playmaking you either don't get the shot or you play street ball. Our offense isn't designed around street ball.
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| 22 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | I like Kuz a lot, but this is summer league lol. And he's playing with Lonzo. Pump the brakes haha |
Too late, him, Nwaba and Caruso are going to lead us to our next title |
so true |
Can't we just have fun with SL? I have enjoyed watching the games and also the "Caruso is God" threads. Nothing wrong with overrating our players now, the NBA season and its harsh realities will come soon enough.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | I like Kuz a lot, but this is summer league lol. And he's playing with Lonzo. Pump the brakes haha |
Too late, him, Nwaba and Caruso are going to lead us to our next title |
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Can't we just have fun with SL? I have enjoyed watching the games and also the "Caruso is God" threads. Nothing wrong with overrating our players now, the NBA season and its harsh realities will come soon enough. |
don't like it? ignore it
its offseason and we are fans/homers whatever u want to call it.
fans overrate their players all the time. no need to rain on their parade
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Passing is not playmaking. Playmaking is setting teammates up to score or lead to another score. Making an open pass is good, playmaking is more of a process. |
Have you seen him pass the ball? He does so in a variety of ways, including showing some nice 'playmaking' upside in SL
We have Lonzo, Ingram, and hopefullly another star wing, who will handle the brunt of playmaking duties |
We can have 5 guys playmaking. Lopez isn't great but he is better than most, plus Ball, KCP, Ingram and Randle can initiate. We are definitely becoming more versatile offensively, that needs to spread to defense. |
Shooting from a player is better at spreading the defense than playmaking |
Strongly disagree, without playmaking you either don't get the shot or you play street ball. Our offense isn't designed around street ball. |
The point is to put the ball in the hoop, do you want a PF who's going to pass up the most open shot in the possession, in the flow, to go playmake for a less optimal shot?
The playmaking necessary from a PF, Kuzma has that and more (Julius could be elite at it). But shooting is obviously king in this league - especially from a non playmaking position (where Kuzma still gives you enough playmaking).. it's better to have a well-rounded player, when shooting's in that mix , and so is above avg playmaking at the position. Randle is currently inept at too important of a facet.
If Randle is an avg shooter, Kuzma needs to be abv average to trump his impact - yes. |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Passing is not playmaking. Playmaking is setting teammates up to score or lead to another score. Making an open pass is good, playmaking is more of a process. |
Have you seen him pass the ball? He does so in a variety of ways, including showing some nice 'playmaking' upside in SL
We have Lonzo, Ingram, and hopefullly another star wing, who will handle the brunt of playmaking duties |
We can have 5 guys playmaking. Lopez isn't great but he is better than most, plus Ball, KCP, Ingram and Randle can initiate. We are definitely becoming more versatile offensively, that needs to spread to defense. |
Shooting from a player is better at spreading the defense than playmaking |
Strongly disagree, without playmaking you either don't get the shot or you play street ball. Our offense isn't designed around street ball. |
The point is to put the ball in the hoop, do you want a PF who's going to pass up the most open shot in the possession, in the flow, to go playmake for a less optimal shot?
The playmaking necessary from a PF, Kuzma has that and more (Julius could be elite at it). But shooting is obviously king in this league - especially from a non playmaking position (where Kuzma still gives you enough playmaking).. it's better to have a well-rounded player, with shooting in that mix , and so is above avg playmaking at the position. Randle is currently inept at too important of a facet.
If Randle is an avg shooter, Kuzma needs to be abv average to trump his impact - yes. |
I agree with this. Randle will have to take the shot when Ball passes it to him. The last thing anyone wants to see is Zo passes him the ball when he is open and he decided to dance around with it. He will either need to move the ball or shoot it. We had way too many players last year where the ball stuck with instead of moving it. Those guys last year played together the whole season. We have guys in the summer league who played less than 10 games together and yet here they are actually moving the ball playing like the Warriors. |
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| That would be total nightmare if Lonzo passes to Randle or even Clarkson and they continue to pound the ball until they get a contested shot. |
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| 70sdude wrote: | | lakerdynasty5.0 wrote: | | splashmtn wrote: | | lakerdynasty5.0 wrote: | | imho, he'd do fine against stretch 4s, but would have a real hard time with the more traditional "power" forwards! |
and name those traditional PF's that matter?
old man Zbo?
Who else?
Old man Lemarcus..nope. stretch big.
who? |
C'mon man! Watch some hoops. Millsap and Favors, to name just a couple, would eat alive anyone not strong enough to bang hard inside! We've already got lopez that isn't that great a rebounder.. |
Well, there's essentially no one in the league prepared to bang with Millsap and Favors inside - and win the match-up at a decent clip. Perhaps Green at times. AD, Gobert and Embiid would get their share of encounter wins but those are centers, and Favors and Millsap would draw them outside. |
True (unfortunately so). We definitely need some inside toughness and rebounding from our bigs.. but.... i'm not expecting much from Lopez.
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| What was this incredible "playmaking" Julius did in the halfcourt last season, anyway? The kickback? |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Could Kuzma Start At PF? |
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| MJST wrote: | | Lakers2015 wrote: | I really don't know what's to stop Kuzma from starting at PF.
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Julius Randle. |
Then we'll see Lonzo run a pick and roll with Randle. Lonzo feeds Randle but instead of shooting he hesitates, dribbles through traffic and either loses the ball or commits an offensive foul. I tell you man, Nance and Randle better be in the gym working on their outside shots. Otherwise we'll see Kuzma take their spot in the rotation.
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| AllorNothing wrote: | | That would be total nightmare if Lonzo passes to Randle or even Clarkson and they continue to pound the ball until they get a contested shot. |
1 or possibly both are gone to make room for 2 maxes in 2018.
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Passing is not playmaking. Playmaking is setting teammates up to score or lead to another score. Making an open pass is good, playmaking is more of a process. |
Have you seen him pass the ball? He does so in a variety of ways, including showing some nice 'playmaking' upside in SL
We have Lonzo, Ingram, and hopefullly another star wing, who will handle the brunt of playmaking duties |
We can have 5 guys playmaking. Lopez isn't great but he is better than most, plus Ball, KCP, Ingram and Randle can initiate. We are definitely becoming more versatile offensively, that needs to spread to defense. |
Shooting from a player is better at spreading the defense than playmaking |
Strongly disagree, without playmaking you either don't get the shot or you play street ball. Our offense isn't designed around street ball. |
The point is to put the ball in the hoop, do you want a PF who's going to pass up the most open shot in the possession, in the flow, to go playmake for a less optimal shot?
The playmaking necessary from a PF, Kuzma has that and more (Julius could be elite at it). But shooting is obviously king in this league - especially from a non playmaking position (where Kuzma still gives you enough playmaking).. it's better to have a well-rounded player, when shooting's in that mix , and so is above avg playmaking at the position. Randle is currently inept at too important of a facet.
If Randle is an avg shooter, Kuzma needs to be abv average to trump his impact - yes. |
And where do those shots come from? Someone making plays. And it doesn't matter what position it comes from, the more the better.
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Perhaps eventually. Certainly not now.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | AllorNothing wrote: | | That would be total nightmare if Lonzo passes to Randle or even Clarkson and they continue to pound the ball until they get a contested shot. |
1 or possibly both are gone to make room for 2 maxes in 2018. |
Gotta get that into every thread
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Quietly the Lakers found some possible low-cost replacements for JC/Jules with Hart/Kuzma. I think Jules has a fighting chance to stay on the team, but Kuzma is certainly flashing that stretch forward game that Luke has been craving.
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I actually think Lonzo is going to do wonders for Randle. Jules 0-60 speed is near the top of the league and he can finish really well with a head of steam. Gonna fill the lane really well on the break and pass-aheads.
In the half court you've also seen that Lonzo gives the ball to guys who have an immediate read/react option which isn't Randle's strength but put in the right position like that can be coached (much different just getting the ball at the top of the arc with the whole defense in front of you).
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quietly the Lakers found some possible low-cost replacements for JC/Jules with Hart/Kuzma. I think Jules has a fighting chance to stay on the team, but Kuzma is certainly flashing that stretch forward game that Luke has been craving. |
The shooting ability has been great for sure. The part that has me even more bullish on Kuz is his passing. He's a VERY talented passer.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Passing is not playmaking. Playmaking is setting teammates up to score or lead to another score. Making an open pass is good, playmaking is more of a process. |
Have you seen him pass the ball? He does so in a variety of ways, including showing some nice 'playmaking' upside in SL
We have Lonzo, Ingram, and hopefullly another star wing, who will handle the brunt of playmaking duties |
We can have 5 guys playmaking. Lopez isn't great but he is better than most, plus Ball, KCP, Ingram and Randle can initiate. We are definitely becoming more versatile offensively, that needs to spread to defense. |
Shooting from a player is better at spreading the defense than playmaking |
Strongly disagree, without playmaking you either don't get the shot or you play street ball. Our offense isn't designed around street ball. |
The point is to put the ball in the hoop, do you want a PF who's going to pass up the most open shot in the possession, in the flow, to go playmake for a less optimal shot?
The playmaking necessary from a PF, Kuzma has that and more (Julius could be elite at it). But shooting is obviously king in this league - especially from a non playmaking position (where Kuzma still gives you enough playmaking).. it's better to have a well-rounded player, when shooting's in that mix , and so is above avg playmaking at the position. Randle is currently inept at too important of a facet.
If Randle is an avg shooter, Kuzma needs to be abv average to trump his impact - yes. |
And where do those shots come from? Someone making plays. And it doesn't matter what position it comes from, the more the better. |
The most important scenerio is the one I outlined at the top of my last post..
The playmaker you're championing passes up the most open,best shot in the possession, to go 'make' the vaunted 'play' you covet .. that's not good basketball. Overrating passing to underrate putting the ball in the hoop, is futile |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quietly the Lakers found some possible low-cost replacements for JC/Jules with Hart/Kuzma. I think Jules has a fighting chance to stay on the team, but Kuzma is certainly flashing that stretch forward game that Luke has been craving. |
The shooting ability has been great for sure. The part that has me even more bullish on Kuz is his passing. He's a VERY talented passer. |
He's decisive. It's a shot or he moves the ball.
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Randle better have improved his jumper or Luke is going to have his ass on the bench a whole lot this season.
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