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BigEvil
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 Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:00 pm Post subject: What if Randle and KCP have breakout seasons? |
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Just for the sake of conversation...
Let's say that Randle and KCP had near all star years. Add to that Ball and Ingram having significant growth which translates to a winning season.
Come the off season do we:
- sign our two young breakout stars?
- still swing for the fences and shoot for Bron and PG?
- try to sign our two youngsters and maybe one superstar? If so, which?
- is there another palatable scenario?
There won't be enough for everyone. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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I think Yinoma calculated if we sign JR and (KCP $20M / yr) we will have approximately $37M left in cap space provided we move JC with $0 coming back and waive or trade Deng with $0 coming back.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: What if Randle and KCP have breakout seasons? |
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| BigEvil wrote: | Just for the sake of conversation...
Let's say that Randle and KCP had near all star years. Add to that Ball and Ingram having significant growth which translates to a winning season.
Come the off season do we:
- sign our two young breakout stars?
- still swing for the fences and shoot for Bron and PG?
- try to sign our two youngsters and maybe one superstar? If so, which?
- is there another palatable scenario?
There won't be enough for everyone. |
Add Paul George
Sign them both to reasonable contracts
Profit |
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CRoost
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: What if Randle and KCP have breakout seasons? |
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| BigEvil wrote: | Just for the sake of conversation...
Let's say that Randle and KCP had near all star years. Add to that Ball and Ingram having significant growth which translates to a winning season.
Come the off season do we:
- sign our two young breakout stars?
- still swing for the fences and shoot for Bron and PG?
- try to sign our two youngsters and maybe one superstar? If so, which?
- is there another palatable scenario?
There won't be enough for everyone. |
The formula of winning championship is heavy reliant on superstars. KCP and Randle will never get to that level. Lonzo and Ingram is not ready but hopefully they get there sooner than later. Meanwhile let's get our superstars and see how far can we go. This will be valuable experiences to Lonzo and Ingram whether we win it or not. By the time they enter their primes in 3-4 years, we can make another run with them and they will be more ready. |
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PRLakeShow
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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1. LeBron/PG
2. PG/Cousins
3. PG/Randle/KCP
4. Cousins/Randle/KCP
5. Randle/KCP/Lopez |
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Four Decade Bandwagon
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| PRLakeShow wrote: | 1. LeBron/PG
2. PG/Cousins
3. PG/Randle/KCP
4. Cousins/Randle/KCP
5. Randle/KCP/Lopez |
6. Randle/KCP/ Lopez/ George - because all take less then max or market to make it work. |
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Chase.button07
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Pg/cousins/kcp is ideal
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Then we consider detouring from the 2 max superstar plan and use the capspace to sign players that help fill the gaps. |
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dont_be_a_wuss
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Then we ditch them in favor of LeBron. |
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PRLakeShow
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | PRLakeShow wrote: | 1. LeBron/PG
2. PG/Cousins
3. PG/Randle/KCP
4. Cousins/Randle/KCP
5. Randle/KCP/Lopez |
6. Randle/KCP/ Lopez/ George - because all take less then max or market to make it work. |
If guys are willing to take less money then yeah other scenarios open up. If we manage to trade Deng instead of stretching him then even more scenarios open up. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Then we consider detouring from the 2 max superstar plan and use the capspace to sign players that help fill the gaps. |
Rob never said superstar. He said 2 max players.
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PRLakeShow
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Then we consider detouring from the 2 max superstar plan and use the capspace to sign players that help fill the gaps. |
Rob never said superstar. He said 2 max players. |
That's so nitpicky man especially when the term superstar is so subjective.
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Four Decade Bandwagon
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| PRLakeShow wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | PRLakeShow wrote: | 1. LeBron/PG
2. PG/Cousins
3. PG/Randle/KCP
4. Cousins/Randle/KCP
5. Randle/KCP/Lopez |
6. Randle/KCP/ Lopez/ George - because all take less then max or market to make it work. |
If guys are willing to take less money then yeah other scenarios open up. If we manage to trade Deng instead of stretching him then even more scenarios open up. |
Even if any of those combos 1-5 were to happen, I want to see some "less then max" contracts being signed. I honestly will be pissed if they need to move promising players in order to pay James $38-40m and George the $32m max. Especially for a couple year window. |
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Dr. Laker
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Randle will be gone by February.
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ringfinger
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Then we consider detouring from the 2 max superstar plan and use the capspace to sign players that help fill the gaps. |
Rob never said superstar. He said 2 max players. |
| Rob Pelinka wrote: | | "We know the goal here is to compete for championships," Pelinka said. "That's what we want to do. I think with the leading teams in the league today, we felt like, to be able to look them in the eye and challenge them, we need two superstar players to come here and join this platform and join our core group of players we now have. That's our plan, and we're going to put all of our energy and all of our hard work toward that." |
https://www.thescore.com/news/1323619/amp |
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fontana3d
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | Randle will be gone by February. |
We'll see about that because we're not going to just give him away |
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Pau Gasol's Beard
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Magic emphasized defense so I don't anticipate Randle being here for long to be honest. Magic never mentions Clatkson either so he might be on the chopping block as well. I'm fine with magic weeding out all the non two way players. |
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ringfinger
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Then we consider detouring from the 2 max superstar plan and use the capspace to sign players that help fill the gaps. |
Rob never said superstar. He said 2 max players. |
| Rob Pelinka wrote: | | "We know the goal here is to compete for championships," Pelinka said. "That's what we want to do. I think with the leading teams in the league today, we felt like, to be able to look them in the eye and challenge them, we need two superstar players to come here and join this platform and join our core group of players we now have. That's our plan, and we're going to put all of our energy and all of our hard work toward that." |
https://www.thescore.com/news/1323619/amp |
| Quote: | | “We were able to get amazing salary-cap relief and space so that in July of 2018 we have the ability to add hopefully two max-salary players to our franchise,” said Pelinka, mindful that George, LeBron James and Russell Westbrook will be among the free agents. “And that really fit in to our long-term plan.” |
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Scroll down a bit in your own link. He says exactly what I quoted. The two max players he is referring to, that he says we need, are "superstars". He literally said we need two "superstars" to come here.
So you were wrong that he never said superstars. He did. Even in your own link.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Then we consider detouring from the 2 max superstar plan and use the capspace to sign players that help fill the gaps. |
Rob never said superstar. He said 2 max players. |
| Rob Pelinka wrote: | | "We know the goal here is to compete for championships," Pelinka said. "That's what we want to do. I think with the leading teams in the league today, we felt like, to be able to look them in the eye and challenge them, we need two superstar players to come here and join this platform and join our core group of players we now have. That's our plan, and we're going to put all of our energy and all of our hard work toward that." |
https://www.thescore.com/news/1323619/amp |
| Quote: | | “We were able to get amazing salary-cap relief and space so that in July of 2018 we have the ability to add hopefully two max-salary players to our franchise,” said Pelinka, mindful that George, LeBron James and Russell Westbrook will be among the free agents. “And that really fit in to our long-term plan.” |
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Scroll down a bit in your own link. He says exactly what I quoted. The two max players he is referring to, that he says we need, are "superstars". |
Yes. I saw it. Thanks.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Good problem to have. Address it if/when it happens. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I would attribute it more to the Ball Movement, than any sudden growth in their abilities. I would be happy with their perceived increased value... leverage that to gain assets... then go ahead and sign the two best available free agents. I fully expect many average players on our team to all of a sudden look significantly better. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Best case for the Lakers if Randle blows up to a solid player might be shipping Randle with Deng to New Orleans with maybe one other piece on our end for Cousins. I doubt boogie will want to return and they won't want to lose him outright.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | Randle will be gone by February. |
It would take either a superb or lousy first half by Randle for this to not be true. A superb first half and the Lakers decide to keep and pay him (taking away from their opportunity to get two max players). A lousy first half and no one else wants him.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Annihilator wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | Randle will be gone by February. |
It would take either a superb or lousy first half by Randle for this to not be true. A superb first half and the Lakers decide to keep and pay him (taking away from their opportunity to get two max players). A lousy first half and no one else wants him. |
The Lakers can keep Randles restricted FA hold and still get to two max if they dump Clarkson and at least stretch Deng
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