Better backcourt: Lonzo/KCP vs. Lonzo/Russell
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Which backcourt is better?
Lonzo/Russell
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Lonzo/KCP
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:03 pm    Post subject: Better backcourt: Lonzo/KCP vs. Lonzo/Russell

As soon as we won the #2 pick in the lottery, we were all salivating at the thought of pairing two combo guards who's games seemed like a match made in heaven. Both Russell and Lonzo can shoot; they both have excellent passing skills and court vision; and both play an unselfish, high IQ game. In many ways it's a travesty that we never got the chance to see how this pairing would have worked out.

The front office had to dump Mozgov to clear the way for the 2 max FA plan, and Russell was an unfortunate casualty. Luckily, KCP fell into their laps after the Pistons traded for Avery Bradley, giving Lonzo a surprisingly solid backcourt mate on a 1 year deal.

Had we not traded Russell, KCP probably wouldn't have signed with us, since offering him a starting spot with which he can boost his market value was a crucial part in the pitch of the one year deal. So the Russell trade indirectly lead to the KCP signing. With that said, is the Lonzo/KCP pairing a better backcourt than the one we all expected immediately after winning the #2 pick?

Russell is a better passer than KCP. He's also probably a better shooter, despite their nearly identical three point percentages last year. KCP is a significantly better defender, and he's also significantly better in transition (1.12 points per play in transition for KCP which is 55th percentile or slightly above average, 21% of his offense came in transition, which is pretty high. 0.93 PPP in transition for Russell, 21st percentile, 12.3% of his offense).

Did the way the offseason shook out give us a better backcourt than we expected before the Russell trade?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:17 pm    Post subject:

KCP signing here saved our rears. Our backcourt was going to take a step back even from young Russ/Nick Young. Now I think it's conceivable we'll actually have an upgraded backcourt.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:27 pm    Post subject:

Polls like this will always favor the current Laker rather than the former Laker. Sight unseen and all. Can't be helped... but, then again, maybe the poll will eventually prove me long.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:29 pm    Post subject:

Shoulda been

Russell/Young vs Lonzo/KCP
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:31 pm    Post subject:

For this upcoming season only? Probably Lonzo/KCP because KCP is a great slasher and about as good 3pt shooter.

But for the long term. Who knows? I expect DLo to have a higher ceiling but obviously he isn't there yet. KCP could very well be a 1 yr rental.

If that's the case then it would be Lonzo/DLo.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:40 pm    Post subject:

With Kcp Offense is only slightly less but Defense is so much better. I don't even want to think Lonzo or DLo trying chase lillard or curry around screens.

Also longterm you have little chance of getting 2 max here without being able to get rid of one of mozdeng
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:53 pm    Post subject:

Well I guess Lonzo/KPC since they're on the Lakers and DLO plays for the Nets now...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:57 pm    Post subject:

If you are asking if I trade KCP for Dlo strait up right now...definitely.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:00 pm    Post subject:

A Russell/Zo tandem would get eaten alive defensively. I'd probably pick KCP/ZO.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:03 pm    Post subject:

How in the world will we ever know? Haven't seen either duo play.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:31 pm    Post subject:

Also. Wouldnt it be DLo + 12.5M cap space or KCP?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:53 pm    Post subject:

I have to see KCP play before I can answer this.

I do know I was REALLY REALLY looking forward to seeing Lonzo Ball setting up the offense and D'Angelo Russell playing off Lonzo's game. When he got hot Russell could explode on the scoreboard, and Lonzo has what it takes to get other players around him on a good hot streak. And both guards are capable of seeing the open man if the defense reacts.

Not to say KCP isn't a good choice, I have no opinion on him until I see how he plays ball and integrates his game with this squad in October. He could be spectacular alongside Ball too. I haven't seen enough yet to decide on that.

Right now I'm Ball/DLO. Subject to review in 4 months.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:03 pm    Post subject:

How about KCP, Kuzma, and Lopez, instead of Russell and Mozgov
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:09 pm    Post subject:

Russell is just a shooter without much defense. He's like a Matt Thomas. Thomas could be a better pure shooter than Russell is.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:15 pm    Post subject:

lakersfever714 wrote:
Russell is just a shooter without much defense. He's like a Matt Thomas. Thomas could be a better pure shooter than Russell is.


Above or below Devin Booker?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:16 pm    Post subject:

Russell had average defense, and he could do more than shoot.

Not that I'd pick him over Lonzo at PG anymore - Lonzo looks to be not just good but spectacular.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:17 pm    Post subject:

Quick way to arrive at the answer is

Who would you rather trot out to match up against:

Curry/Klay
Lilliard/McCollum
Harden/CP3
Westbrook/Roberson
John Wall/Brad Beal

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Watch a few minutes of this if you are having a hard time deciding
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:17 pm    Post subject:

LakerSanity wrote:
Polls like this will always favor the current Laker rather than the former Laker. Sight unseen and all. Can't be helped... but, then again, maybe the poll will eventually prove me long.


So true.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:18 pm    Post subject:

markjay wrote:
How about KCP, Kuzma, and Lopez, instead of Russell and Mozgov


more like 6 years of Russell and 3 years of mozgov vs 1 year rentals of Lopez and KCP plus Hart and Bryant on rookie deals since we could have gotten kuzma with the 28th pick.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:25 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:25 pm    Post subject:

markjay wrote:
How about KCP, Kuzma, and Lopez, instead of Russell and Mozgov


How about just Kuzma and cap space instead of Russell and mozgov because neither KCP or Lopez will be here past this upcoming season.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:26 pm    Post subject:

crazylakerfan001 wrote:
markjay wrote:
How about KCP, Kuzma, and Lopez, instead of Russell and Mozgov


more like 6 years of Russell and 3 years of mozgov vs 1 year rentals of Lopez and KCP plus Hart and Bryant on rookie deals since we could have gotten kuzma with the 28th pick.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:00 pm    Post subject:

Lonzo/KCP easily.

Russell is a terrible defender at this point in time.

KCP is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league and also a capable scorer/playmaker.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:13 pm    Post subject:

Kcp is really underrated here imo
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:18 pm    Post subject:

markjay wrote:
How about KCP, Kuzma, and Lopez, instead of Russell and Mozgov
that's too easy.
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