Does Julius Randle Improve His Main Weaknesses This Season?
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Will Randle Adequately Improve His Overall Defense and 3pt Shooting Next Season to No Longer Call Those Two Areas Significant Weaknesses?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:20 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
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Nah, Randle isn't worth the max. If another team wants to pay him that much, then work out a sign and trade and get picks in return.

I'm a firm believer that only All Star level player types earn max contracts. We saw what happened with Deng and Mozzy and that wasn't even max money.

Randle is only 2/3 year older than Kuzma.


Randle and Kuzma are the same age.



I believe he meant 8 months older.


So basically the same age. And how do you get 8 months from 2-3 years? That's some wacky math.


Mike meant two thirds not two or 3 years.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:21 am    Post subject:

Got it, my misunderstanding
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:41 am    Post subject:

He's putting so much work in the gym...what if that's his main weakness now?

Luke: "You missed warmups, tipoff is in 5 min"
Randle: "Can't skip leg day coach"
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:54 am    Post subject:

fansincemagic wrote:
He's putting so much work in the gym...what if that's his main weakness now?

Luke: "You missed warmups, tipoff is in 5 min"
Randle: "Can't skip leg day coach"
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:06 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
^The whole point to adding skills is becoming a totally different player. He's already been working on the skills he knows he needs.

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But as you said he's not an above the rim player and for me personally, that's just not what I want in an ideal 4.


Really? Kuzma only dunks in space like Randle, not really in traffic or in the halfcourt. Don't like him either?


Randle's shown he's capable of dunking in traffic/pressure and the half court though







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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:15 pm    Post subject:

I voted yes knowing he has 100 million reasons to put it together. But if he does not, time to say bye and nice knowing you Jules.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:17 pm    Post subject:

PFs/Cs Who Shot Worse Than Randle at the Rim (W/in 3 Ft or Less) Last Season (>63.4%) :

Joel Embiid
Enes Kanter
Jonas Valanciunas
James Johnson
Draymond Green
Jimmy Butler
Tarik Black
Zack Randolph
Greg Monroe
Paul Millsap
DeMarcus Cousins
Marquese Chriss
Markieff Morris
Marcus Morris
Nikola Vucevic
Dario Saric
Zaza Pachulia
Derick Favors
Ivica Zubac
Pau Gasol
Ed Davis
Jusuf Nurkic
Willy Hernangomez
Juan Hernangomez
Marvin Williams
Thon Maker
Jakob Poeltl
David West
Frank Kaminsky
Patrick Patterson
Kevin Love
Carmelo Anthony
Ryan Anderson
Noah Vonleh
Miles Plumlee
Domantas Sabonis
Robin Lopez
Joakim Noah

Guards/Wings Who Shot Worse Than Randle (>63%) at the Rim Last Season:

Kyrie Irving
John Wall
Chris Paul
Jrue Holiday
Isaiah Thomas
Nicolas Batum
Russell Westbrook
Damian Lillard
Jimmy Butler
Paul George
Luol Deng
Eric Bledsoe
Ketavious Caldwell-Pope
Jordan Clarkson
Goran Dragic
Jonathon Simmons
C.J. McCollum
Derick Rose

There are obviously hundreds more than just these players who I could add to the lists, but just picked out the ones who stood out the most.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:00 pm    Post subject:

LakerSanity wrote:
PFs/Cs Who Shot Worse Than Randle at the Rim (W/in 3 Ft or Less) Last Season (>63.4%) :

Joel Embiid
Enes Kanter
Jonas Valanciunas
James Johnson
Draymond Green
Jimmy Butler
Tarik Black
Zack Randolph
Greg Monroe
Paul Millsap
DeMarcus Cousins
Marquese Chriss
Markieff Morris
Marcus Morris
Nikola Vucevic
Dario Saric
Zaza Pachulia
Derick Favors
Ivica Zubac
Pau Gasol
Ed Davis
Jusuf Nurkic
Willy Hernangomez
Juan Hernangomez
Marvin Williams
Thon Maker
Jakob Poeltl
David West
Frank Kaminsky
Patrick Patterson
Kevin Love
Carmelo Anthony
Ryan Anderson
Noah Vonleh
Miles Plumlee
Domantas Sabonis
Robin Lopez
Joakim Noah

Guards/Wings Who Shot Worse Than Randle (>63%) at the Rim Last Season:

Kyrie Irving
John Wall
Chris Paul
Jrue Holiday
Isaiah Thomas
Nicolas Batum
Russell Westbrook
Damian Lillard
Jimmy Butler
Paul George
Luol Deng
Eric Bledsoe
Ketavious Caldwell-Pope
Jordan Clarkson
Goran Dragic
Jonathon Simmons
C.J. McCollum
Derick Rose

There are obviously hundreds more than just these players who I could add to the lists, but just picked out the ones who stood out the most.


eye opening to the people that said Randle couldn't finish, or needed to work on his finishing
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:24 pm    Post subject:

I voted no.

I think the 3pt improvement will take longer than one season. Brook made a major leap in one season but he said he was already showing his range in practice for awhile before he finally got the green light under Atkinson. Julius is just starting the process. My measurement for success will be whether he can make teams respect his perimeter shooting enough for them to close out on him.

As far as his defense, I think that's as much of a team problem as it is an individual one. I just wanna see him get out of his one-man zone and do a better job of rotating and to see less of this when players look at each other wondering who was supposed to rotate. We had way too much of that last season.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:54 pm    Post subject:

I think he's got to be a bit humbled and that should fuel him. Also contract year. So yes.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:09 pm    Post subject:

LakerSanity wrote:
PFs/Cs Who Shot Worse Than Randle at the Rim (W/in 3 Ft or Less) Last Season (>63.4%) :

Joel Embiid
Enes Kanter
Jonas Valanciunas
James Johnson
Draymond Green
Jimmy Butler
Tarik Black
Zack Randolph
Greg Monroe
Paul Millsap
DeMarcus Cousins
Marquese Chriss
Markieff Morris
Marcus Morris
Nikola Vucevic
Dario Saric
Zaza Pachulia
Derick Favors
Ivica Zubac
Pau Gasol
Ed Davis
Jusuf Nurkic
Willy Hernangomez
Juan Hernangomez
Marvin Williams
Thon Maker
Jakob Poeltl
David West
Frank Kaminsky
Patrick Patterson
Kevin Love
Carmelo Anthony
Ryan Anderson
Noah Vonleh
Miles Plumlee
Domantas Sabonis
Robin Lopez
Joakim Noah

Guards/Wings Who Shot Worse Than Randle (>63%) at the Rim Last Season:

Kyrie Irving
John Wall
Chris Paul
Jrue Holiday
Isaiah Thomas
Nicolas Batum
Russell Westbrook
Damian Lillard
Jimmy Butler
Paul George
Luol Deng
Eric Bledsoe
Ketavious Caldwell-Pope
Jordan Clarkson
Goran Dragic
Jonathon Simmons
C.J. McCollum
Derick Rose

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There are obviously hundreds more than just these players who I could add to the lists, but just picked out the ones who stood out the most.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:15 pm    Post subject:

I'm ready for the season to see how it all plays out. The side picking has lead to some really irrational arguments.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:32 pm    Post subject:

I hope he improves enough to at least be worth a 1st round pick in a trade. His trade value right now is about Nerlens Noel level when he left Philly, or maybe even less. I don't like his ball dominant ways and want him off the team ASAP. Nothing personal, seems like a good kid, just hate watching him play. I had to vote no because "fool me once...."
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:20 pm    Post subject:

Ziggy wrote:
I hope he improves enough to at least be worth a 1st round pick in a trade. His trade value right now is about Nerlens Noel level when he left Philly, or maybe even less. I don't like his ball dominant ways and want him off the team ASAP. Nothing personal, seems like a good kid, just hate watching him play. I had to vote no because "fool me once...."


Right, 22 yo players are what they ever will be and can never grow and develop.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:56 am    Post subject:

He should be a better defender with his speed and strength, so it all comes down to effort. Will he suddenly start caring about the other side of the ball? I doubt it. I don't want a player like him taking cap space that could be used on a 2 way player or a legitimate#1 or #2 scoring option
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:11 am    Post subject:

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He should be a better defender with his speed and strength, so it all comes down to effort. Will he suddenly start caring about the other side of the ball? I doubt it. I don't want a player like him taking cap space that could be used on a 2 way player or a legitimate#1 or #2 scoring option


Way to miss everything to do about conditioning and how he's improving it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:31 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
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He should be a better defender with his speed and strength, so it all comes down to effort. Will he suddenly start caring about the other side of the ball? I doubt it. I don't want a player like him taking cap space that could be used on a 2 way player or a legitimate#1 or #2 scoring option


Way to miss everything to do about conditioning and how he's improving it.


No need to take that tone. It's fair to question is focus. We can't automatically assume that his defensive lapses were only about conditioning. We hope that's what has been holding him back and what explains the mental lapses, but it could also be that, like Clarkson, he just isn't thinking defense out there.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:36 am    Post subject:

I voted yes.

I think the 3 point shot (and open jumpers) is probably the easiest thing to fix, and I believe he will get many more easy opportunities in the new system. Also I think the pressure of the new kid in town, Kuzma knocking down 3's gives Randle some healthy competition. He not only has to prove he is worth a big contract, but he needs to prove to the Lakers that he, not Kuzma is a better investment going forward.

Defense I think takes longer, his improved exercise regimen should help the stamina. He rebounds well, it is that on his man defense that needs the work. If he is going to shift more and more into a small ball center, the defense may be easier, since most of the elite big-men are PF's not centers.

Max contract is where I have the issue 14 ppg and 9 rebounds is not my definition of a max player - maybe you get there with an elite defense guy like Green, but Randle isn't there, and is probably not that player. Assuming he is not traded as part of some strategy for the 2 max player plan, I think he gets that qualifying offer $12 million or so. Now if someone wants to pay him $20 million a year, I think we are just going to let him go at that price.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:32 am    Post subject:

nevermind 3pt shooting he needs to first atleast get a decent jumpshot going
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:31 pm    Post subject:

lakerjoshua wrote:
I expect him to be quicker which may help his defense however, I don't think he'll ever be a pure shooter to LG standards. His shot and defense will improve but it will take more than one off season.
he's been supposedly working on the jumper since day 1 of the nba.

i wont say he will never be able to shoot. because i've seen bigs come in without a jumper and leave as vets with at least a knock down 15 footer. what i do see Ju doing a lot in practice year after year and trying during games but failing at it. is step back jumpers. which is funny because i'm thinking. bruh... get a stand still jumper tight first. but you know Ju, he wants to be a giant sized guard.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:32 pm    Post subject:

waterman40 wrote:
I voted yes.

I think the 3 point shot (and open jumpers) is probably the easiest thing to fix, and I believe he will get many more easy opportunities in the new system. Also I think the pressure of the new kid in town, Kuzma knocking down 3's gives Randle some healthy competition. He not only has to prove he is worth a big contract, but he needs to prove to the Lakers that he, not Kuzma is a better investment going forward.

Defense I think takes longer, his improved exercise regimen should help the stamina. He rebounds well, it is that on his man defense that needs the work. If he is going to shift more and more into a small ball center, the defense may be easier, since most of the elite big-men are PF's not centers.

Max contract is where I have the issue 14 ppg and 9 rebounds is not my definition of a max player - maybe you get there with an elite defense guy like Green, but Randle isn't there, and is probably not that player. Assuming he is not traded as part of some strategy for the 2 max player plan, I think he gets that qualifying offer $12 million or so. Now if someone wants to pay him $20 million a year, I think we are just going to let him go at that price.
Now if Kuz can keep it going in the real nba. Ju better step up. I never saw Ju as a lazy guy or a guy that doesnt like competition. I will assume Ju would rise to the challenge.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:37 pm    Post subject:

being a threat from 3pt range would be really nice, but being able to hit open jumpers just a little short of that will open the floor up for his drives, his drive and kicks, and spacing for the rest of the team
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:39 pm    Post subject:

Raijin wrote:
He should be a better defender with his speed and strength, so it all comes down to effort. Will he suddenly start caring about the other side of the ball? I doubt it. I don't want a player like him taking cap space that could be used on a 2 way player or a legitimate#1 or #2 scoring option


Please please, pretty please. for the last time. Can we stop saying "it all comes down to effort" when it comes to defense. That is not a true statement. You have heard people say this and they are wrong. I dont care if a coach says it or a player says it. It's not true.

You need more than just blind/dumb effort. blind/dumb effort will have you in foul trouble, and out of position to help the helper (if you dont know what that is in basketball terms, google it.)

To play solid defense, especially in todays game...you need to be smart and have a good team defensive IQ and a solid 1 v 1 defensive IQ.

Team Defense: Ball, you, man.. what scheme are we running as a team?
Should I hedge and force him towards the baseline, towards the middle, are we trapping the pick and roll...ICE ICE ICE!!!... What kind of roller are we playing tonight? is this guy a hard roller who will roll 70% of the time? should i just cut his roll off and kill his entire game tonight? can we live with the guard taking deep shots if i do so? should i play the lanes because this pg's accuracy isnt Cp3-ish on that lob play?


Ju has very good man defense on quicker players but suspect defense on bigger guys with skill. his team defense is lacking a lot.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:41 pm    Post subject:

romeo wrote:
being a threat from 3pt range would be really nice, but being able to hit open jumpers just a little short of that will open the floor up for his drives, his drive and kicks, and spacing for the rest of the team
it will also keep him from being so gassed at times.

think about it. this guy is a naturally heavy guy, running super fast up and down the court running point forward after snagging the board and pushing it.
in the half court, doing moves to bulldoze his way into the paint to score. that takes a lot out of you.

if you can shoot TOO. you can save energy just standing pat and pulling up. every play can't be a tough shot.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:37 pm    Post subject:

How about the Clubber Lang grunts?
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