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Where Will the Lakers Rank in Defensive Efficiency at the End of Next Season? |
Top 5 |
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5 to 10 |
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11 to 15 |
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activeverb Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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It's hard to see a reason we'd improve much.
A bunch of rookies, guys with one or two years under their belt, and veterans playing for their next contracts is not likely to gel into a tight defensive unit.
If we got up to 25th best defense, it would be amazing. |
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Dr. Laker Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Top 10.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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We're going to be near the bottom again, KCP is our only good defender. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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Fracture wrote: | We're going to be near the bottom again, KCP is our only good defender. |
Could Hart be? |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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I went 21-25 because I'm an optimist |
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Dr. Laker wrote: | Top 10.
Team defense is effort and communication. I expect monumental improvement in both areas. |
If we are top 10, that means we will probably be 4th or 5th in West. |
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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LakerSanity wrote: | I think must of the approach in this thread is off and reflects an outdated perspective. Yes, it helps a lot to have great individual defenders, but, more important than that, is the extent to which the team understands team concepts, works together and commits to those concepts, exerting the necessary amount of energy to execute them. |
I don't know about that. Team defense is important, of course, but in the modern era in particular you have got to have some individual defenders on the perimeter and in the paint. When you play someone like Harden, you need a team defensive scheme to deal with him. But if he blows by Ball on the perimeter, the scheme is going to be a wreck.
Nash and Curry had guys who could be the proverbial tip of the spear on defense. Who is that for us? I guess the hope is that it turns out to be Casey P. We shall see. |
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Wilkes52 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:00 am Post subject: |
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I may be kidding myself, but I voted for the LAL to finish ranked in terms of defensive rating in the #16-20 area, essentially saying they were better than 1/3 of the league but still grouped among the poorer half of the league. To finish there would represent significant progress towards making a return to competitiveness. Let's hope. I'm admitting to being a little optimistic.
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LakerDYnasty72 Star Player
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Aeneas Hunter wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | I think must of the approach in this thread is off and reflects an outdated perspective. Yes, it helps a lot to have great individual defenders, but, more important than that, is the extent to which the team understands team concepts, works together and commits to those concepts, exerting the necessary amount of energy to execute them. |
I don't know about that. Team defense is important, of course, but in the modern era in particular you have got to have some individual defenders on the perimeter and in the paint. When you play someone like Harden, you need a team defensive scheme to deal with him. But if he blows by Ball on the perimeter, the scheme is going to be a wreck.
Nash and Curry had guys who could be the proverbial tip of the spear on defense. Who is that for us? I guess the hope is that it turns out to be Casey P. We shall see. |
This is typical of most posts I see that have valid, different views. It's always a little of both. Don't we need both real good individual defenders, and an effective team defense as well? Hasn't that always been the case?
I'm hopeful that we'll see a more effective team defense led by our most intelligent defenders. Those hopefully will be KCP, Ingram, Nance, and Ball, and to an extent, Hart. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:27 am Post subject: |
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We've pulled in several defenders, and another year experience for some young players, I'd guess some improvement in team and individual defense but still below average. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:41 am Post subject: |
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Do we have a plus defender on this team? _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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ocho wrote: | Do we have a plus defender on this team? |
Caruso, KCP and Brewer _________________ Kobe |
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:53 am Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | Do we have a plus defender on this team? |
Didn't last year. We have guys who are capable of being one, but who knows how soon that will be. These things are hard to judge when you are relying on year-to-year growth. Never know when the switch finally flips.
I could see Lopez, Hart, KCP, Ingram, Brewer, Nance and Randle all being plus defenders next year. I could also see none of them being plus defenders next year. At this point, slightly below average would be a huge improvement, and I'd guess that is likely. I voted 21-25 range. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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ocho wrote: | Do we have a plus defender on this team? |
Nance, Randle, Zubac and Kcp had positive dbpm but defensive stats are always severely flawed at least individually. |
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Chronicle wrote: | ocho wrote: | Do we have a plus defender on this team? |
Caruso, KCP and Brewer |
Caruso isn't going to play and the numbers don't speak well of KCP on that end. I think Brewer, KCP, and Deng are the closest we have, and I don't think Deng will play that much.
We are going to be pretty bad defensively. Wins will come from offense. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:09 am Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | Chronicle wrote: | ocho wrote: | Do we have a plus defender on this team? |
Caruso, KCP and Brewer |
Caruso isn't going to play and the numbers don't speak well of KCP on that end. I think Brewer, KCP, and Deng are the closest we have, and I don't think Deng will play that much.
We are going to be pretty bad defensively. Wins will come from offense. |
Which is why people shouldn't rely on numbers to give analysis and instead actually watch the basketball games.
If you do you know KCP is already one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA.
My guess is Lakers rank 17th or so defensively. _________________ #CowboysNation
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:10 am Post subject: |
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I'd be ecstatic if we would be in the lower 20s. That would be a step in the right direction. |
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Omar Little wrote: | Low twenties to high teens |
If we're somewhere around 20, that will be a huge boost for us especially because I expect our offensive efficiency to take a huge jump as well. I'm not sure we'll improve that much defensively, but it would bode well for our playoff aspirations if we did. |
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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:23 am Post subject: |
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Lakers2015 wrote: | ocho wrote: | Chronicle wrote: | ocho wrote: | Do we have a plus defender on this team? |
Caruso, KCP and Brewer |
Caruso isn't going to play and the numbers don't speak well of KCP on that end. I think Brewer, KCP, and Deng are the closest we have, and I don't think Deng will play that much.
We are going to be pretty bad defensively. Wins will come from offense. |
Which is why people shouldn't rely on numbers to give analysis and instead actually watch the basketball games.
If you do you know KCP is already one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA.
My guess is Lakers rank 17th or so defensively. |
Sigh. Sometimes it's like stepping through a time machine.
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LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | I don't know about that. Team defense is important, of course, but in the modern era in particular you have got to have some individual defenders on the perimeter and in the paint. When you play someone like Harden, you need a team defensive scheme to deal with him. But if he blows by Ball on the perimeter, the scheme is going to be a wreck.
Nash and Curry had guys who could be the proverbial tip of the spear on defense. Who is that for us? I guess the hope is that it turns out to be Casey P. We shall see. |
This is typical of most posts I see that have valid, different views. It's always a little of both. Don't we need both real good individual defenders, and an effective team defense as well? Hasn't that always been the case?
I'm hopeful that we'll see a more effective team defense led by our most intelligent defenders. Those hopefully will be KCP, Ingram, Nance, and Ball, and to an extent, Hart. |
To have an elite defense, you need both. But that's a different question. We're just talking about moving from last place to somewhere around the mean. I don't think we need an elite perimeter defender to do that. However, we need someone who can keep opposing guards from breaking us down off the dribble. Maybe Casey P will be that guy this year, and maybe Ball or one of the others will become that guy in the future. However, in the short run, I foresee a lot of guards swooping to the rim against Lopez and Zubac. |
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^FWIW, I think we go small a lot this year. I have a suspicion that Zubac's minutes may be displaced in favor of Randle/Nance sliding down to the C spot once Lopez is off the floor. I could also see Lopez averaging under 30 minutes per game. I'm not sure if that changes your analysis, but I do anticipate that kind of dynamic. If Luke is who I think he is, I think he's going to value defensive versatility over pure length/shotblocking ability. And I think that's the right call too. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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Dr. Laker wrote: | Top 10.
Team defense is effort and communication. I expect monumental improvement in both areas. |
Finally, some optimism!!
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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LakerSanity wrote: | ^FWIW, I think we go small a lot this year. I have a suspicion that Zubac's minutes may be displaced in favor of Randle/Nance sliding down to the C spot once Lopez is off the floor. I could also see Lopez averaging under 30 minutes per game. I'm not sure if that changes your analysis, but I do anticipate that kind of dynamic. If Luke is who I think he is, I think he's going to value defensive versatility over pure length/shotblocking ability. And I think that's the right call too. |
I expect that, too, but I'm not sure how I feel about it. Given that none of the players on the court, with the possible exception of Casey P, would be a reliable defender, it could get pretty ugly. Versatility doesn't stop the opposing guard from getting to the hoop. |
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