How Lakers Can Sign Two Max-Contract Superstars in 2018 NBA Free Agency
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:55 am    Post subject: How Lakers Can Sign Two Max-Contract Superstars in 2018 NBA Free Agency

Hey all,

At @BleacherReport How Lakers Can Sign Two Max-Contract Superstars in 2018 NBA Free Agency - math may be favorable
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2724911-how-the-lakers-can-sign-two-max-contract-superstars-in-2018-nba-free-agency

Also, latest @hollywood_hoops Ep. 43: Commissioner Chaniel Smiley @QueenCLS of Drew League w/@JoshMartinNBA -
playoffs! https://www.almightyballer.com/hollywood-hoops-ep-43-commissioner-chaniel-smiley-on-the-success-of-the-drew-league/

After the Chaniel interview - I talk about the Lakers' pursuit of two max players.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:06 am    Post subject:

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Without Deng, Randle and Clarkson, the Lakers would have about $76.6 million to spend. Removing Deng could open the door for Los Angeles to either keep Clarkson (under contract at $12.5 million for 2018-19), Randle (who has a cap hold of $12.4 million as a restricted free agent next summer) or free agents in Lopez or Caldwell-Pope.

The Lakers could instead look to stretch out the final two seasons on Deng's salary over a five-year period (at $7.4 million per season), which would put the team at about $69.2 million in space (without Clarkson and Randle).

While Los Angeles would have Bird rights for Lopez—and the ability to pay him handsomely—unsigned, his rights take up a max slot and obstruct the team's ability to spend elsewhere.


From Emplay's article.
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-JC out for $0/Deng stretched = 57.6m in 2018 cap space
-Same as above and Jules renounced/traded for $0 = 69.9m in 2018 cap space

2 of 4 of these players will be Lakers in 2018 (LBJ/PG13/WB/Boogie)
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:07 am    Post subject:

Basically the only variable out of the Lakers' hands is JC. Deng can be stretched and Jules renounced.
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-JC out for $0/Deng stretched = 57.6m in 2018 cap space
-Same as above and Jules renounced/traded for $0 = 69.9m in 2018 cap space

2 of 4 of these players will be Lakers in 2018 (LBJ/PG13/WB/Boogie)
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:48 am    Post subject:

Missed the "H" in the thread title, mr. Pincus.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:57 am    Post subject:

but there's confidence that they can move Clarkson


thx fixed the H
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:03 pm    Post subject:

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but there's confidence that they can move Clarkson


thx fixed the H


If that's the case, why not get that handled now so the price for getting rid of JC doesn't go up as we get closer to 2018?

If I were the Lakers, would take care of as many non-controllable variables now so if push comes to shove, you do the things that are in your control (i.e. stretch Deng, renounce Jules).

I hope we don't come to a point where we need to give a positive asset along with JC just to trade him off our cap books.
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-JC out for $0/Deng stretched = 57.6m in 2018 cap space
-Same as above and Jules renounced/traded for $0 = 69.9m in 2018 cap space

2 of 4 of these players will be Lakers in 2018 (LBJ/PG13/WB/Boogie)
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:11 pm    Post subject:

can't force moves when the time isn't right
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:13 pm    Post subject:

emplay wrote:
can't force moves when the time isn't righ


With Lonzo/KCP as the starting backcourt, i don't see how JC's value increases as the season goes along sans injuries.
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-JC out for $0/Deng stretched = 57.6m in 2018 cap space
-Same as above and Jules renounced/traded for $0 = 69.9m in 2018 cap space

2 of 4 of these players will be Lakers in 2018 (LBJ/PG13/WB/Boogie)
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:23 pm    Post subject:

oh, and also, doesn't matter if the market isn't right to move Clarkson now.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:51 pm    Post subject:

What are the chances LA dumps Deng by the TD?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:09 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
What are the chances LA dumps Deng by the TD?


Less than a miracle.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:26 pm    Post subject:

rogers49 wrote:
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What are the chances LA dumps Deng by the TD?


Less than a miracle.


So were is the signing 2/3 max players coming from?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:33 pm    Post subject:

there's no "3 max players" - that's not a thing
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:06 pm    Post subject:

Someone suggested swapping Deng + 2nd round pick for Asik and Ajinca

I would totally do that trade if we can't find much luck in dumping his contract
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:11 pm    Post subject:

Not sure Pelicans can even do that given their had cap situation
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:16 pm    Post subject:

It seems like Chicago Fans are open to the idea of Deng coming back to the Bulls, I think that's a potential destination if we decide to move on from Deng but once again we are gonna need to add sweeteners just like the Raptors did when they dumped Carroll on Brooklyn. but if it's at the cost of potentially getting 2 max guys next summer then that is good enough reason.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:48 pm    Post subject:

Fans don't make the decisions and the Bulls want more than Clarkson to take Deng
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:44 pm    Post subject:

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Fans don't make the decisions and the Bulls want more than Clarkson to take Deng


Would Clarkson/Deng/2020 1st be enough? I would add Zu if we can get Lopez in the deal and it saves us money for 2018 FA.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:32 am    Post subject:

emplay wrote:
there's no "3 max players" - that's not a thing


Not next year, but we already have a budding max level player in Ingram who will almost certainly demand the max in 2020, just two seasons after next. So it appears to be George, Ingram, and James as our 3 max players in 2020, the last of which I would suspect would be on a contract year at age 36... but since we're playing this game, who else will become a FA that summer? A 30-year-old Kawhi Leonard.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:25 am    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
What are the chances LA dumps Deng by the TD?


That Pig will need a lot of lipstick. It will take probably trading Randle or Kuzma and a first rounder to get rid of Deng.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:31 am    Post subject:

oldlakerfan wrote:
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What are the chances LA dumps Deng by the TD?


That Pig will need a lot of lipstick. It will take probably trading Randle or Kuzma and a first rounder to get rid of Deng.


Jules is up for an extension. So a team trading for him will likely have to consider paying well over 30m+ to keep Deng/Jules in 2018. I don't think there's any team that will do that.
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-JC out for $0/Deng stretched = 57.6m in 2018 cap space
-Same as above and Jules renounced/traded for $0 = 69.9m in 2018 cap space

2 of 4 of these players will be Lakers in 2018 (LBJ/PG13/WB/Boogie)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:59 am    Post subject:

emplay wrote:
there's no "3 max players" - that's not a thing


Is it even possible to sign 3 max players under the current CBA?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:03 am    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
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there's no "3 max players" - that's not a thing


Is it even possible to sign 3 max players under the current CBA?


Technically yes, if all 3 players are on the first tier max which is something like 25m/year. But that never really happens.
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-JC out for $0/Deng stretched = 57.6m in 2018 cap space
-Same as above and Jules renounced/traded for $0 = 69.9m in 2018 cap space

2 of 4 of these players will be Lakers in 2018 (LBJ/PG13/WB/Boogie)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:39 am    Post subject:

Emp - Any chance LA shows interest in Tony Allen with the BA exception?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:02 am    Post subject:

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