Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:20 pm Post subject: ESPN: We are next Miami-like superteam
I think we are more likely to be Boston-like (growth through trade) or GSW like (growth through draft [BI and Zo]). I'm not sure we will be clearing all that salary for a Miami like splash.
I want a Warriors like Superteam, where our kids grow into stars and a homegrown championship contender and then sign a max free agent to add on to it and thus set us up for a 5-6 year run and Spurs-like consistency going forward. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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If Randle plays better than LeBron next season I'd keep him and go after one free agent and the same applies to every young player when it is time to judge them.
It makes no sense following GS or Miami path if we can't predict players development.
If we have players performing like superstars in the making it is nobrainer keeping them.
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:29 am Post subject:
MJST wrote:
Don't want a Miami like Superteam.
I want a Warriors like Superteam, where our kids grow into stars and a homegrown championship contender and then sign a max free agent to add on to it and thus set us up for a 5-6 year run and Spurs-like consistency going forward.
Well we don't have Warrior like young talent, we don't have a Steph or even somebody close to Klay.
With the possibility to sign one of the all time greats we still have fans preaching to just keep and develop our young core.
I don't see any problems keeping Julius Randle over signing LeBron James if Julius show he is the best player
The path to a championship is putting together the best players you can, it makes no sense to discuss it in terms of free agents, trades or development of young players, it is a matter of talent.
The Heat were insanely top heavy. I mean they had guys who don't even play anymore like Chalmers and that one center whose name I forgot but its on the tip of my tongue errr fingers.
I don't think we have anyone on this roster that is Lebron like. If we become a great team, I think we end up doing it with great depth.
The Heat were insanely top heavy. I mean they had guys who don't even play anymore like Chalmers and that one center whose name I forgot but its on the tip of my tongue errr fingers.
I don't think we have anyone on this roster that is Lebron like. If we become a great team, I think we end up doing it with great depth.
And another huge difference, assuming we keep Lonzo/ingram (we should), is that we would sort of be half competing/half building for the future. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:07 am Post subject:
Nah. Unless we have cap space for three All-NBA caliber guys at/near their primes, we cannot be a Miami-like superteam. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
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The Heat were insanely top heavy. I mean they had guys who don't even play anymore like Chalmers and that one center whose name I forgot but its on the tip of my tongue errr fingers.
I don't think we have anyone on this roster that is Lebron like. If we become a great team, I think we end up doing it with great depth.
And another huge difference, assuming we keep Lonzo/ingram (we should), is that we would sort of be half competing/half building for the future.
The "half competing/half rebuilding" is where the logic of this plan escapes me.
James for 2-3 years is an all in high risk move. I do not believe he is signing with the Lakers to mentor or be the custodian of the future. He is all about James and his legacy. He wants to win now. There is no other reason to sign him otherwise.
If James is signed it only makes sense to go full speed ahead and surround him with vets ready to compete. All trades and salary dumps are fair game, including the "untouchables".
To "win now" they need players ready to win now. Not 20-21 year olds learning to be a pro. Timeline is simply wrong for this to work IMO. Five years ago, no issue. 2018 it is misguided but plays well in the media. Hell, even M. Barnes and ESPN are saying its awesome. What could go wrong!
The rhetoric and hype remind me of Pyramid schemes and 0 down / ARM loans. Too good to be true for a reason. Dismissing the downsides and high risk and getting caught up in the positive momentum.
Yeah, that is the risk with LBJ. Unless he's ok with this half in, half out process, he will probably be asking the team to trade Ingram (IMO) to get a proven and older vet. I wouldn't be down for that. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Id rather see a core of Ball/KCP/Ingram/Randle/Nance/Kuzma/Zubac grow and win together, than mortgage our future just for a couple of competitve seasons _________________
Id rather see a core of Ball/KCP/Ingram/Randle/Nance/Kuzma/Zubac grow and win together, than mortgage our future just for a couple of competitve seasons
That's not a championship team.
The problem is we basically have a short window to spend cap space the way they set it up. IMO it's 2018 or bust in terms of spending cap space.
Personally i don't think the Lakers reject LBJ, but if he doesn't come, i'd be more than happy with a PG13 + either Boogie or split the 2nd max on reasonable deals to keep Brook/KCP/Jules. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
With the possibility to sign one of the all time greats we still have fans preaching to just keep and develop our young core.
I don't see any problems keeping Julius Randle over signing LeBron James if Julius show he is the best player
The path to a championship is putting together the best players you can, it makes no sense to discuss it in terms of free agents, trades or development of young players, it is a matter of talent.
Wow.
Just . . . wow. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:33 am Post subject:
If Randle shows he can be at least a 18/10/5 guy with solid D, solid TS% and decent 3pt shooting (>30% from 3), you keep him over signing a 33-34 year old Lebron, especially when you can likely keep Randle while also signing both George/Cousins or George/Westbrook, or even re-signing Lopez/KCP over Lebron.
It would be one thing if Lebron was young, but he isn't. So, if Randle shows all-star talent, even if he's not as good as Lebron this second, you take longevity plus a another lower tier max guy (or KCP/Lopez) over a year or two of good Lebron. That Randle will be the better player in 3 years. We should prioritize something sustainable, not quick temporary fixes (especially without any real guarantee that the temporary fix will actually be a fix at all). Now, that said, the big IF in there is whether Randle can prove he can be that guy. It's fair to be skeptical about whether he can be.
As far as the article goes, its just another stupid and lazy ESPN article that any average NBA fan who graduated high school could write in their sleep. ESPN really is pathetic. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
No question about that, but old Bron is still so much better than any young PF we have unless next season Nance (our best PF) proves himself more than a great role player and Julius our young PF with more tools to be special proves he is better than old Bron.
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