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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | I highly doubt this is gonna prevent us from signing George, if anything the Lakers will be facing a fine of some sort, or the league asking the Lakers and Magic to apologize and that's it. |
If the Lakers were to be found guilty of tampering they wouldn't just be let off with an apology. |
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So Pacers take a worse deal for George and try and file tampering charges?
No wonder they are 0 Lifetime NBA Titles. 
You are our farm team Indiana!
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Pacers have always tried to pull something on the Lakers, the time when Jermaine O'Neal wanted to be traded to the Lakers and Pacers decided against it.
My point is that the Pacers are a bunch of salty arrogant sack of ***.. and if anything I think this proves that the Lakers and Pacers will never ever make a big trade. |
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| pio2u wrote: | | Practice wrote: | | The Lebrons wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | | The Lebrons wrote: | | So can this actually result in us being ineligible to sign him? |
Technically yes but tampering is very hard to prove. Could be fined too. |
Of course, just wondering what the punishment would be. Well out of Jeannie, Magic, and Pelinka, Pelinka's been around too long to get caught doing something this stupid... |
We would be forbidden from signing PG and they could take away future picks. |
There would have to be some sort of a serious paper trail to support the allegations for the penalty to those levels.
| Quote: | 111. What is tampering?
Tampering is when a player or team directly or indirectly entices, induces or persuades anybody (player, general manager, etc.) who is under contract with another team in order to negotiate for their services. The NBA may impose suspensions and/or fines up to $50,000 if tampering is discovered, however the league's practice has been to wait until a team lodges a complaint before investigating (but that's not to say they don't continue to monitor the league and won't take action independently if they discover that tampering has occurred). Here are some examples:
The Miami Heat were discovered to have tampered with Pat Riley in 1995 by negotiating with Riley while he was the head coach of the New York Knicks. The Heat "settled," and avoided league-imposed penalties, by compensating the Knicks with $1 million and their first round draft pick in 1996.
The league fined three teams (Hawks, Kings and Rockets) because of team statements to the media, team emails to prospective season ticket purchasers, and articles posted on team websites related to players under contract with other teams, but who would become free agents that summer. For example, Kings coach Michael Malone stated in a press conference that "Chris Paul would look pretty good in a Sacramento Kings uniform."
You may have noticed that when general managers and other team personnel talk to the press, they are careful to avoid talking about specific players who play for other teams. They do this in order to avoid tampering. The only allowed response when talking about players under contract with other teams is to decline comment.
Player-to-player tampering is considered to be a relatively common occurrence, and while technically illegal, it is rarely addressed by the league. For instance during the 2016 playoffs, Mavericks player Chandler Parsons referred to Rockets player Dwight Howard saying, "[. . .] I think he can still be a player in this league. And I think he's going to leave Houston, so why not come here?" Former Commissioner David Stern clarified in 2012 that such player-to-player recruitment is generally "not tampering or collusion that is prohibited." |
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q111
https://basketball.realgm.com/article/246574/CBA-Encyclopedia-Tampering
*Here's an old article or two for reference on fines handed down for tampering just to give a little insight on a few cases (may or may not be relevant but here you go):
* https://www.si.com/nba/2017/06/27/warriors-thunder-nba-free-agency-kevin-durant-draymond-green-tampering
* https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2013/06/10/nba-teams-filing-tampering-charges/2409499/ |
I just posted the penalties given by the guy who wrote the article. |
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| Practice wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | I highly doubt this is gonna prevent us from signing George, if anything the Lakers will be facing a fine of some sort, or the league asking the Lakers and Magic to apologize and that's it. |
If the Lakers were to be found guilty of tampering they wouldn't just be let off with an apology. |
Or it can be the opposite and the Pacers can be found guilty of pulling crap. |
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The "wink, wink" comment and "God is good" tweet will get the Lakers fined; I am surprised that it has taken this long for us to find out about it. As it is the second time that Magic has done it, I expect the fine to be larger. Unless, the Lakers actually spoke to either the agent or PG himself, I doubt that the Lakers lose picks or the right to sign him.
| Quote: | | The [NBA] Constitution also says that potential penalties for tampering include suspension of the offending person, prohibition of the offending team from hiring the person being tampered with, forfeiture of draft picks, and individual and/or team fines of up to $5 million. |
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| Jeannie Magic and Rob aren't new to the league. I doubt they would be dumb enough to make any contact with PG. even if they did it would be almost impossible to prove unless someone on PGs side snitched which I doubt. |
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| Annihilator wrote: |
The "wink, wink" comment and "God is good" tweet will get the Lakers fined; I am surprised that it has taken this long for us to find out about it. As it is the second time that Magic has done it, I expect the fine to be larger. Unless, the Lakers actually spoke to either the agent or PG himself, I doubt that the Lakers lose picks or the right to sign him. |
Don't think God is Good is a fine at all. Unless someone signed God Shamgod, lol. It's a nothing comment, says nothing about anyone and should also be taken into context of other tweets and what he was doing at the time anyway. |
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I remember they investigated the Nets for tampering with Dwight Howard when he was still in Orlando. I don't believe anything ever came of it. There were rumors of Dwight meeting with people from the Nets.
Hopefully this is a non story pretty soon. |
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| DancingBarry wrote: | | Annihilator wrote: |
The "wink, wink" comment and "God is good" tweet will get the Lakers fined; I am surprised that it has taken this long for us to find out about it. As it is the second time that Magic has done it, I expect the fine to be larger. Unless, the Lakers actually spoke to either the agent or PG himself, I doubt that the Lakers lose picks or the right to sign him. |
Don't think God is Good is a fine at all. Unless someone signed God Shamgod, lol. It's a nothing comment, says nothing about anyone and should also be taken into context of other tweets and what he was doing at the time anyway. |
Yea I think that one is overblown. He was tweeting about spending fathers day with his children at the time of the God is good tweet. Even if he was talking abut Paul George. There is no way they can prove that. |
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| eureca wrote: | | DancingBarry wrote: | | Annihilator wrote: |
The "wink, wink" comment and "God is good" tweet will get the Lakers fined; I am surprised that it has taken this long for us to find out about it. As it is the second time that Magic has done it, I expect the fine to be larger. Unless, the Lakers actually spoke to either the agent or PG himself, I doubt that the Lakers lose picks or the right to sign him. |
Don't think God is Good is a fine at all. Unless someone signed God Shamgod, lol. It's a nothing comment, says nothing about anyone and should also be taken into context of other tweets and what he was doing at the time anyway. |
Yea I think that one is overblown. He was tweeting about spending fathers day with his children at the time of the God is good tweet. Even if he was talking abut Paul George. There is no way they can prove that. |
Hopefully, you are correct. We will see.
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The "wink, wink" comment and "God is good" tweet will get the Lakers fined; I am surprised that it has taken this long for us to find out about it. As it is the second time that Magic has done it, I expect the fine to be larger. Unless, the Lakers actually spoke to either the agent or PG himself, I doubt that the Lakers lose picks or the right to sign him.
| Quote: | | The [NBA] Constitution also says that potential penalties for tampering include suspension of the offending person, prohibition of the offending team from hiring the person being tampered with, forfeiture of draft picks, and individual and/or team fines of up to $5 million. |
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It's at least possible they'd get fined over the "wink, wink" thing, but certainly not for the "God is good" tweet. I'm still pretty shocked that people actually thought (and apparently still do) that that tweet was connected to George. Of the billion and one things in the world that a wealthy guy with his lifestyle could've been referring to, it was undoubtedly over the news that day about George?
Just by itself that's pretty laughable, but it's downright hilarious to think something like that can be sufficiently proven, even if it were true. It would have to be sufficiently proven in order for there to be a fine. It's a semi rational theory that the George story was what caused him to tweet that, but there's a world of difference between a semi rational theory and actual proof.
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| pio2u wrote: | | Practice wrote: | | The Lebrons wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | | The Lebrons wrote: | | So can this actually result in us being ineligible to sign him? |
Technically yes but tampering is very hard to prove. Could be fined too. |
Of course, just wondering what the punishment would be. Well out of Jeannie, Magic, and Pelinka, Pelinka's been around too long to get caught doing something this stupid... |
We would be forbidden from signing PG and they could take away future picks. |
There would have to be some sort of a serious paper trail to support the allegations for the penalty to those levels.
| Quote: | 111. What is tampering?
Tampering is when a player or team directly or indirectly entices, induces or persuades anybody (player, general manager, etc.) who is under contract with another team in order to negotiate for their services. The NBA may impose suspensions and/or fines up to $50,000 if tampering is discovered, however the league's practice has been to wait until a team lodges a complaint before investigating (but that's not to say they don't continue to monitor the league and won't take action independently if they discover that tampering has occurred). Here are some examples:
The Miami Heat were discovered to have tampered with Pat Riley in 1995 by negotiating with Riley while he was the head coach of the New York Knicks. The Heat "settled," and avoided league-imposed penalties, by compensating the Knicks with $1 million and their first round draft pick in 1996.
The league fined three teams (Hawks, Kings and Rockets) because of team statements to the media, team emails to prospective season ticket purchasers, and articles posted on team websites related to players under contract with other teams, but who would become free agents that summer. For example, Kings coach Michael Malone stated in a press conference that "Chris Paul would look pretty good in a Sacramento Kings uniform."
You may have noticed that when general managers and other team personnel talk to the press, they are careful to avoid talking about specific players who play for other teams. They do this in order to avoid tampering. The only allowed response when talking about players under contract with other teams is to decline comment.
Player-to-player tampering is considered to be a relatively common occurrence, and while technically illegal, it is rarely addressed by the league. For instance during the 2016 playoffs, Mavericks player Chandler Parsons referred to Rockets player Dwight Howard saying, "[. . .] I think he can still be a player in this league. And I think he's going to leave Houston, so why not come here?" Former Commissioner David Stern clarified in 2012 that such player-to-player recruitment is generally "not tampering or collusion that is prohibited." |
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q111
https://basketball.realgm.com/article/246574/CBA-Encyclopedia-Tampering
*Here's an old article or two for reference on fines handed down for tampering just to give a little insight on a few cases (may or may not be relevant but here you go):
* https://www.si.com/nba/2017/06/27/warriors-thunder-nba-free-agency-kevin-durant-draymond-green-tampering
* https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2013/06/10/nba-teams-filing-tampering-charges/2409499/ |
The only team that got the hammer was the Timberwolves with Joe Smith and it was only because those (bleep) had a wink, wink deal in writing.
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| If you're gonna cheat/tamper, you can't get caught. Hope they didnt do anything stupid. |
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| Judah wrote: | | Annihilator wrote: |
The "wink, wink" comment and "God is good" tweet will get the Lakers fined; I am surprised that it has taken this long for us to find out about it. As it is the second time that Magic has done it, I expect the fine to be larger. Unless, the Lakers actually spoke to either the agent or PG himself, I doubt that the Lakers lose picks or the right to sign him.
| Quote: | | The [NBA] Constitution also says that potential penalties for tampering include suspension of the offending person, prohibition of the offending team from hiring the person being tampered with, forfeiture of draft picks, and individual and/or team fines of up to $5 million. |
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It's at least possible they'd get fined over the "wink, wink" thing, but certainly not for the "God is good" tweet. I'm still pretty shocked that people actually thought (and apparently still do) that that tweet was connected to George. Of the billion and one things in the world that a wealthy guy with his lifestyle could've been referring to, it was undoubtedly over the news that day about George?
Just by itself that's pretty laughable, but it's downright hilarious to think something like that can be sufficiently proven, even if it were true. It would have to be sufficiently proven in order for there to be a fine. It's a semi rational theory that the George story was what caused him to tweet that, but there's a world of difference between a semi rational theory and actual proof. |
We will see. There is a difference, however, between levels of proof required for penalties for breaking rules. In a criminal court, it is "beyond a reasonable doubt." In civil court, it is the much lower "preponderance of evidence." An NBA fine seems to be at an even lower level--remember Kobe's suspension for an "unnatural basketball act" (link). It seems that the standard for being fined by the NBA is not high and very little proof is required.
This article asks the question, "Is it a rightful execution of power to fine an organization six-figures because a coach decides to take action that does not overtly violate a league rule?"
Here is another favorite: Mark Cuban was fined for sitting in the wrong seat even though there was no rule against it.
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| Just hope for the best our management didn't do something stupid and get penalized like the T'Wolves for the Joe Smith under the table deal. |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | https://twitter.com/magicjohnson/status/81808413654396928 |
Magic is right, Vescey has a way of pulling a lot of crap and was doing the same thing back when he was on NBC, he was getting off the hook for all these years. |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | https://twitter.com/magicjohnson/status/81808413654396928 |
That's pretty crazy. |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | https://twitter.com/magicjohnson/status/81808413654396928 |
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0mJrrabVs_A
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Big deal or no big deal.
Allegations are proven or not.
The bottom line is Magic needs to shut up.
He talks far too much about what the Lakers plan to do.
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| RashardA wrote: | Big deal or no big deal.
Allegations are proven or not.
The bottom line is Magic needs to shut up.
He talks far too much about what the Lakers plan to do. |
True, all of them are speaking too much. Jeanie, Magic, Pelinka need to stop talking about next summer. That is one thing I really liked with Mitch. He was always quite and deceptive. |
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