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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | Bob Kravitz was on the morning show on espn710 this morning and went through the timeline, pretty good interview.
The 3 main parts imo:
1. Simon, Pritchard and Bird got together day after kimmel segment and basically said this is "BS." When Mintz called and informed them PG13 wouldn't be back, they put 2 and 2 together and submitted request for tampering investigation.
2. Kravitz said PG13 always gave the notion that he wanted to be back up until he wasn't named to the All-NBA. Once he wasn't eligible for super max, his tune changed. So Kravitz says you can't really blame the pacers for holding on past trade deadline despite the whispers even if in retrospect they should have traded him.
3. Kravitz believes PG13's desire is to be a laker and that he will end up with the lakers unless the tampering results in that option being taken away. Kravitz says Westbrook and OKC is not going to be enough to keep George from going to lakers. |
Not many players are walking away from that contract. |
Just like how Irving left? Or how cp3 opted in for a better situation?
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | I would imagine that before the NBA spends the resources and money to investigate an accusation, they would do their due diligence to determine if the accusations had any merit.
I doubt its as simple as "they tampered" and that's enough to get an investigation going. |
If you mean an investigation that includes hiring an outside law firm, yes, I agree. |
Yeah, I'm just saying a litmus test, so to speak, has already been applied. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | I would imagine that before the NBA spends the resources and money to investigate an accusation, they would do their due diligence to determine if the accusations had any merit.
I doubt its as simple as "they tampered" and that's enough to get an investigation going. |
If you mean an investigation that includes hiring an outside law firm, yes, I agree. |
Yeah, I'm just saying a litmus test, so to speak, has already been applied. |
I dunno about that. It's owners that literally pay Silver's salary. If the temperature of the league is that the Lakers might be up to something he has nothing to lose backing a fishing expedition. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | I would imagine that before the NBA spends the resources and money to investigate an accusation, they would do their due diligence to determine if the accusations had any merit.
I doubt its as simple as "they tampered" and that's enough to get an investigation going. |
If you mean an investigation that includes hiring an outside law firm, yes, I agree. |
Yeah, I'm just saying a litmus test, so to speak, has already been applied. |
I dunno about that. It's owners that literally pay Silver's salary. If the temperature of the league is that the Lakers might be up to something he has nothing to lose backing a fishing expedition. |
Even Laker fans were talking about tampering before any of this came to light.
And there is the factor of time and resources. As fans, we might bored right now, but Silver and co have plenty to deal with than wasting his time on something he believes to be completely baseless. |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Picture what I might be doing next time you post something like that. |
Apologies, I guess? 
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | I would imagine that before the NBA spends the resources and money to investigate an accusation, they would do their due diligence to determine if the accusations had any merit.
I doubt its as simple as "they tampered" and that's enough to get an investigation going. |
If you mean an investigation that includes hiring an outside law firm, yes, I agree. |
How about this:
(1) Jimmy Kimmel
(2) Magic's tweets (god is good, etc.)
(3) Magic being a repeat offender (previously fined over a minor tampering incident before he was team president)
(4) PG having same agent as Lakers players, raising the possibility of communication through agent
(5) Magic reportedly having met with PG's parents
(6) PG's agent taking the very unusual step of warning all teams besides Lakers not to expect him to stick around if they trade for him
On the one hand, I would think that is sufficient circumstantial evidence to hire a law firm. On the other hand, if there is nothing additional that turns up, I'd guess it is probably settled with a fine for the Jimmy Kimmel comments.
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| ringfinger wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | I would imagine that before the NBA spends the resources and money to investigate an accusation, they would do their due diligence to determine if the accusations had any merit.
I doubt its as simple as "they tampered" and that's enough to get an investigation going. |
If you mean an investigation that includes hiring an outside law firm, yes, I agree. |
Yeah, I'm just saying a litmus test, so to speak, has already been applied. |
I dunno about that. It's owners that literally pay Silver's salary. If the temperature of the league is that the Lakers might be up to something he has nothing to lose backing a fishing expedition. |
Even Laker fans were talking about tampering before any of this came to light.
And there is the factor of time and resources. As fans, we might bored right now, but Silver and co have plenty to deal with than wasting his time on something he believes to be completely baseless. |
They hired a firm to do the investigation. Their time is still free. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | I would imagine that before the NBA spends the resources and money to investigate an accusation, they would do their due diligence to determine if the accusations had any merit.
I doubt its as simple as "they tampered" and that's enough to get an investigation going. |
If you mean an investigation that includes hiring an outside law firm, yes, I agree. |
Yeah, I'm just saying a litmus test, so to speak, has already been applied. |
I dunno about that. It's owners that literally pay Silver's salary. If the temperature of the league is that the Lakers might be up to something he has nothing to lose backing a fishing expedition. |
Even Laker fans were talking about tampering before any of this came to light.
And there is the factor of time and resources. As fans, we might bored right now, but Silver and co have plenty to deal with than wasting his time on something he believes to be completely baseless. |
They hired a firm to do the investigation. Their time is still free. |
They hired a law firm. Any thoughts on whether those are expensive or cheap? Haha.
Resources still need to manage the law firm, work with them, stay involved, etc. You really think Silver is going to go throigh all that trouble and expense to pursue something he knows is a total waste of time?
Out of curiousity, anyone know where the money for the 2+ months of outside counsel fees are paid from? Do the leaguea teams, effectivey, share that expense together? |
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ARTICLE 24
AUTHORITY AND DUTIES OF THE COMMISSIONER
(a) A Commissioner shall be elected by the affirmative
vote of three-fourths (3/4) of all the Governors. The Commissioner
shall serve as the Chief Executive Officer of the League and shall be
charged with protecting the integrity of the game of professional
basketball and preserving public confidence in the League. The
Commissioner’s term of office may be terminated by a vote of three fourths
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League and shall have all such other powers as may be necessary or
appropriate to fulfill this responsibility.
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more Members of the Association.
(e) The Commissioner shall have the right to investigate
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Association or its Members.
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accorded to him by any collective bargaining agreement.
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and transact the business of the Association, including but not limited
to, the leasing of office space, the hiring of employees, and the
engaging of other assistance or services; provided, however, that the
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| What exactly does that mean? That all owners are effectively paying for this investigation, by virtue of having voted in Silver and thus, bestowing upon him the power to make that decision on their behalf? |
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| ringfinger wrote: | Resources still need to manage the law firm, work with them, stay involved, etc. You really think Silver is going to go throigh all that trouble and expense to pursue something he knows is a total waste of time?
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I think he answers to his bosses, and if they consider some, maybe fruitless, effort to halt another LA superteam money well spent then so does he. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | Resources still need to manage the law firm, work with them, stay involved, etc. You really think Silver is going to go throigh all that trouble and expense to pursue something he knows is a total waste of time?
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I think he answers to his bosses, and if they consider some, maybe fruitless, effort to halt another LA superteam money well spent then so does he. |
Why would he give the Lakers three #2 picks in a row then? Because the bosses wanted that? Cmon. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | Resources still need to manage the law firm, work with them, stay involved, etc. You really think Silver is going to go throigh all that trouble and expense to pursue something he knows is a total waste of time?
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I think he answers to his bosses, and if they consider some, maybe fruitless, effort to halt another LA superteam money well spent then so does he. |
Why would he give the Lakers three #2 picks in a row then? Because the bosses wanted that? Cmon. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | Resources still need to manage the law firm, work with them, stay involved, etc. You really think Silver is going to go throigh all that trouble and expense to pursue something he knows is a total waste of time?
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I think he answers to his bosses, and if they consider some, maybe fruitless, effort to halt another LA superteam money well spent then so does he. |
Why would he give the Lakers three #2 picks in a row then? Because the bosses wanted that? Cmon. |
Ugh, because he didn't... |
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| Lakers get fined, end of story. I seriously doubt the Lakers talked contract. With max terms basically defined, they don't have to. Did PG13s agent initiate a call? Certainly possible. I doubt anyone was recording the conversation, so it would not amount to much. Magic is fined for the Kimmel segment and everyone moves on. |
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| Quote: | | Out of curiousity, anyone know where the money for the 2+ months of outside counsel fees are paid from? Do the leaguea teams, effectivey, share that expense together? |
It really won't be THAT expensive. Maybe 50-60k at most, which is nothing for the NBA.
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| cthroatgtr wrote: | | Lakers get fined, end of story. I seriously doubt the Lakers talked contract. With max terms basically defined, they don't have to. Did PG13s agent initiate a call? Certainly possible. I doubt anyone was recording the conversation, so it would not amount to much. Magic is fined for the Kimmel segment and everyone moves on. |
What is being overlooked here is Mintz is the agent of an ex-laker snitch. So if the law firm interviews this individual, he might spill what he knows 
J/k! Please do not take this seriously  |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | Out of curiousity, anyone know where the money for the 2+ months of outside counsel fees are paid from? Do the leaguea teams, effectivey, share that expense together? |
It really won't be THAT expensive. Maybe 50-60k at most, which is nothing for the NBA. |
What? For Wachtell Lipton? They might do a simple will for $50k, but if you want to leave your Hot Wheels collection to Uncle Barney, you're looking at $100k. Add a zero to your estimates, and you'll be closer to the mark. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | Out of curiousity, anyone know where the money for the 2+ months of outside counsel fees are paid from? Do the leaguea teams, effectivey, share that expense together? |
It really won't be THAT expensive. Maybe 50-60k at most, which is nothing for the NBA. |
What? For Wachtell Lipton? They might do a simple will for $50k, but if you want to leave your Hot Wheels collection to Uncle Barney, you're looking at $100k. Add a zero to your estimates, and you'll be closer to the mark. |
Ok, you're probably right. Though Wachtell apparently has an unusual billing structure. Wonder why they would do this kind of work when other gigs pay them significantly more?
https://dealbook.nytimes.com/2015/01/09/a-peek-into-how-wachtell-bills-for-deals/
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | The Lebrons wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | LBJ joined the Cavs who were a lottery team.
I think we will be just as good or better (33-49 in 2013 b/f LBJ came) as the 2013 Cavs. In adding PG13, I think we get a better player in PG13 than Love, and I think Lonzo/Ingram are comparable to what Irving was (ceiling wise). |
Situations are much different:
1. Joining the West in 2018 vs. the East in 2014. Very different scenarios, especially given point #2
2. Warriors. They are a problem.
3. His connection to Cleveland
4. Lebron's age
5. I'd argue your Kyrie point is questionable given Lebron's window is probably 2 years realistically IMO. |
Or could the simple answer be that he wants to end his career in LA, and start making the business connections to jumpstart his post NBA career (which rumors abound he is poised to do)?
Why is LBJ's window only 2 years? Many all time greats have had long careers, and he could be one of the outliers. |
That makes sense as a reason Lebron would want to come here. To come here to win is what makes little sense. I would welcome some first/second round playoff exits compared to what we have seen the past 4 seasons. |
It makes little sense to you because you have already made up your mind that no one can beat the Warriors.
We haven't even seen the development of Ball and Ingram. We haven't even seen how well George and James, and any other players who join the team would play together.
I understand it's easy to repeat the same narrative. No one is beating the Warriors, until someone actually beat the Warriors, and people claim, they knew they were beatable all alone. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | Resources still need to manage the law firm, work with them, stay involved, etc. You really think Silver is going to go throigh all that trouble and expense to pursue something he knows is a total waste of time?
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I think he answers to his bosses, and if they consider some, maybe fruitless, effort to halt another LA superteam money well spent then so does he. |
Why would he give the Lakers three #2 picks in a row then? Because the bosses wanted that? Cmon. |
He didn't give the Lakers anything
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| LakerSD wrote: | | cthroatgtr wrote: | | Lakers get fined, end of story. I seriously doubt the Lakers talked contract. With max terms basically defined, they don't have to. Did PG13s agent initiate a call? Certainly possible. I doubt anyone was recording the conversation, so it would not amount to much. Magic is fined for the Kimmel segment and everyone moves on. |
What is being overlooked here is Mintz is the agent of an ex-laker snitch. So if the law firm interviews this individual, he might spill what he knows
J/k! Please do not take this seriously |
What if that conversation they were laughing about while sitting together at rookie workouts was about George, and he got it on his phone?  
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| Omar Little wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | cthroatgtr wrote: | | Lakers get fined, end of story. I seriously doubt the Lakers talked contract. With max terms basically defined, they don't have to. Did PG13s agent initiate a call? Certainly possible. I doubt anyone was recording the conversation, so it would not amount to much. Magic is fined for the Kimmel segment and everyone moves on. |
What is being overlooked here is Mintz is the agent of an ex-laker snitch. So if the law firm interviews this individual, he might spill what he knows
J/k! Please do not take this seriously |
What if that conversation they were laughing about while sitting together at rookie workouts was about George, and he got it on his phone? |
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| cthroatgtr wrote: | | Lakers get fined, end of story. I seriously doubt the Lakers talked contract. With max terms basically defined, they don't have to. Did PG13s agent initiate a call? Certainly possible. I doubt anyone was recording the conversation, so it would not amount to much. Magic is fined for the Kimmel segment and everyone moves on. |
I would argue he shouldn't even be fined for the Kimmel comments. He didn't clearly break any tampering rule but he did step into a gray area there. |
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| Ziggy wrote: | | cthroatgtr wrote: | | Lakers get fined, end of story. I seriously doubt the Lakers talked contract. With max terms basically defined, they don't have to. Did PG13s agent initiate a call? Certainly possible. I doubt anyone was recording the conversation, so it would not amount to much. Magic is fined for the Kimmel segment and everyone moves on. |
I would argue he shouldn't even be fined for the Kimmel comments. He didn't clearly break any tampering rule but he did step into a gray area there. |
Incorrect. He very clearly indicated, in the form of a joke, that he was not going to tell George that he wanted him to come to LA, but he would be winking the whole time, "like this", which is essentially saying right there on tv that he wants him. He can't say stuff like that, no gray area about it. That said, that alone is a minor offense and a fine.
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