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A Mad Chinaman
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:53 pm Post subject:

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$500k is one of the largest tampering fines issued by the NBA - they issued it because Pelinka tampered.

$5 mil would be for an in-place agreement, etc. - more serious tampering - and Pelinka would be banned probably for a year, Lakers lose a pick and are barred from ever signing George.

That's not what they found - they found contact - which is more than your basic public statement like the Rockets, Kings, Hawks and Knicks were fined for in recent years.

To put in perspective, the Heat had negotiations illegally with Riley - it was settled at $1 mil and loss of a pick before the NBA ruled on it.

That's for active tampering - the $500k is stern message and it's a LOT more than the Lakers expected.

But they'll happy accept it and no more, real punishment

Thank You for your clarification

Being a novice and the article as the foundation of my opinion, my inaccurate assumption was based on the words that the NBA could have fined them up to $5M (for the same - assumed - actions) on the charges while not placing any restrictions on the Lakers (regarding Paul George) or giving up draft choices

There seems to be various levels of the infraction

Inactive Tampering

Active Tampering

Actual Tampering

One will never know, wondering if it were Rob or Magic's words/"hints"

Thanks for the correction

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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:57 pm Post subject:

Magic's tampering falls under public statements - his action was worth between $0-$50k IMO It's the actual tampering - reaching out - that Pelinka is guilty of but he's just fortunate that they didn't have much in evidence against him. _________________ Salary Cap Strategist and Columnist at Bleacher Report and on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/EricPincus

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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:09 pm Post subject:

emplay wrote:

Magic's tampering falls under public statements - his action was worth between $0-$50k IMO

It's the actual tampering - reaching out - that Pelinka is guilty of but he's just fortunate that they didn't have much in evidence against him.

Based on the article and assuming that Rob is very smart in these matter (key words are never used that indicates tampering) + there wasn't much evidence - is this fine (amount) just the NBA appeasing the Indiana Pacers - who are run by the influential Kevin Pritchard and GM Chris Buchanan (http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/2017/06/29/chad-buchanan-new-pacers-gm/440538001/)?

Hopefully the issue is closed and PG13 will be with the Lakers next season

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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:11 pm Post subject:

i heard pelinka wasn't as careful as you credit _________________ Salary Cap Strategist and Columnist at Bleacher Report and on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/EricPincus

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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:02 pm Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:

emplay wrote:

Until six months ago, Pelinka had never worked for an organization governed by the NBA and Magic's FO experience was very very sketchy. Past success in other endeavors doesn't mean that everything would go smoothly for them in their new careers with rules & policies that they had never operated under before.

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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:44 pm Post subject:

emplay wrote:

i heard pelinka wasn't as careful as you credit

Surprising news since Pelinka was (supposedly) one of the best at his previous profession.

What are your thoughts on Dave McMenamin's comments
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20525040/nba-fine-tampering-fact-life-nba

One Western Conference executive reached for comment Thursday night told ESPN that the league was "at least trying to get serious" about tampering, but added that the proper penalty for what the Lakers did should be $1 million or the loss of a second-round pick at the least to serve as a "true deterrent" to keep other teams from doing the same. Another Eastern Conference GM suggested some sort of suspension system be put in place.

Pelinka and Mintz no doubt engaged in countless above-board conversations about those two players. When L.A. was looking to trade Russell, it was only logical that Pelinka would talk to Mintz about all sorts of scenarios involving his client, including perhaps one that could have landed George from the Pacers.

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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:59 am Post subject:

tampering isn't punished often because it's hard to prove - and teams do not take it seriously I really expected that if they found something, they'd punish the Lakers - they did find something but the punishment, while a ton of money, wasn't significant _________________ Salary Cap Strategist and Columnist at Bleacher Report and on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/EricPincus

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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:21 pm Post subject:

Bard207 wrote:

Until six months ago, Pelinka had never worked for an organization governed by the NBA and Magic's FO experience was very very sketchy.

Real question due to ingnorance on that matter. In Magic's FO experience, how was he very very sketchy? Baseball, Basketball, or otherwise?
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:08 am Post subject:

emplay wrote:

tampering isn't punished often because it's hard to prove - and teams do not take it seriously

I really expected that if they found something, they'd punish the Lakers - they did find something but the punishment, while a ton of money, wasn't significant

Now that Indiana openly complain about tampering, is this gonna be a regular occurance by team GMs? trying to get other team in trouble?

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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:05 am Post subject:

€H£M£$TR¥ wrote:

Bard207 wrote:

Until six months ago, Pelinka had never worked for an organization governed by the NBA and Magic's FO experience was very very sketchy.

Real question due to ingnorance on that matter. In Magic's FO experience, how was he very very sketchy? Baseball, Basketball, or otherwise?

I don't follow baseball much at all, but my impression is that his role is/was more as a front man rather than being actually involved with the internal operations of the team.

In the past, Magic had the title of Vice President or similar with the Lakers. Other than filling a branding - ceremonial role, I have no idea what he actually did and what he was responsible for. So I would classify him as a rookie in the Lakers Front Office even though he had a title with the organization in the past.

Pelinka has been around the NBA for a while, but this is his first time working for a team and FO executives don't have as much freedom to do things as agents do.

So some stumbles by the duo of Magic and Pelinka should be expected because they are learning on the job as opposed to having worked their way up the career ladder as most FO executive have done.

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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:55 am Post subject:

A friggen fine....turned out to be a big nothing. We'll still end up with 2 major FA's in 2018 and Indy can continue to suck for the next 10 years.

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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:50 am Post subject:

Bard207 wrote:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:

emplay wrote:

That is true and why someone with NBA experience should have been brought in with them. They are inexperienced and it is showing.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:17 am Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:

Bard207 wrote:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:

emplay wrote:

That is true and why someone with NBA experience should have been brought in with them. They are inexperienced and it is showing.

Experience is overrated if you use it to sign Mozgov and Deng by the books.

Positive change in team culture was more important than experience.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:19 am Post subject:

^^^ very true

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:25 am Post subject:

non-player zealot wrote:

venturalakersfan wrote:

Bard207 wrote:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:

emplay wrote:

That is true and why someone with NBA experience should have been brought in with them. They are inexperienced and it is showing.

Experience is overrated if you use it to sign Mozgov and Deng by the books.

Positive change in team culture was more important than experience.

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:58 am Post subject:

€H£M£$TR¥ wrote:

Bard207 wrote:

Until six months ago, Pelinka had never worked for an organization governed by the NBA and Magic's FO experience was very very sketchy.

Real question due to ingnorance on that matter. In Magic's FO experience, how was he very very sketchy? Baseball, Basketball, or otherwise?

I don't think he has much. There is his failed coaching attempt and his tweets regarding player "scouting" I guess you could call it.

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:16 am Post subject:

non-player zealot wrote:

venturalakersfan wrote:

Bard207 wrote:

That is true and why someone with NBA experience should have been brought in with them. They are inexperienced and it is showing.

Experience is overrated if you use it to sign Mozgov and Deng by the books.

Positive change in team culture was more important than experience.

I understand the frustration - unhappiness over Mozgov and Deng, but the focus needs to shift from that to some current issues.

Glenn Carraro left in April and from what I have read, did much of the work on contracts and CBA related. Mitch also had CBA experience and from what I have seen so far, it appears that Pelinka and internal promotions are going to cover the CBA and contracts related since I don't recall any other hires from the outside beyond Pelinka.

Unless I missed it, they still haven't hired somebody from the outside to run their Analytics Department.

Over the past few months, the Clippers have:

* Brought in Jerry West

* Took Front Office powers/responsibilities away from Doc

* Brought in Michael Winger who is highly regarded for his CBA knowledge from OKC

* Brought in Trent Redden who was formerly with Cleveland

Clippers add longtime Cavs exec Trent Redden as assistant GM

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Redden worked with Winger in Cleveland, where he rose in the executive ranks as a well-regarded talent evaluator who worked under Danny Ferry, Chris Grant and Griffin. He will complement Winger, who has established a reputation as an expert strategist with a steady administrative hand and strong negotiating skills.

For years, the Clippers had among the thinnest staffs in the NBA under the thrifty ownership of Donald Sterling. Since the arrival of Steve Ballmer in 2014, the franchise has grown into a robust organization with a basketball operations department that has expanded exponentially in size. Sources say the team has plans to add another assistant general manager to its brain trust.

I understand the Warm & Fuzzy evoked by putting Magic in charge, but the rest of the league has evolved over the years and getting to the top isn't going to be as easy as some here think it will be.

I will close with this from the writeup about Glenn Carraro leaving.

More upheaval in Lakers' front office with Glenn Carraro's departure (April 6, 2017)

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“We’re evaluating everybody, of course we’ll sit down with them,” he said when asked specifically about West and Carraro. “We don’t know if we’re going to change out or not. We are happy with some of those guys, no question about it. Then we’ve got to decide. This is a big job we have. ...

“We know we have to have world- class talent working with us. We’re going to see if we have that in house and if we don’t we’ll make changes.”

The two youngest sons of late owner Jerry Buss also are prominently involved in the front office.

Joey Buss, a part owner and alternate governor to his sister Jeanie, also is the CEO of the L.A. D-Fenders, the Lakers’ Development League affiliate.

Jesse Buss, youngest of the six siblings who share an ownership stake in the Lakers, currently holds the titles of assistant general manager and director of scouting.

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:01 am Post subject:

non-player zealot wrote:

Experience is overrated if you use it to sign Mozgov and Deng by the books.

Positive change in team culture was more important than experience.

Great post, we need basketball minds, they will learn the FO nuances.

Just getting rid of thrash contracts while building a young core worth something is enough to think they are better suited to the job than the people we had running the show.

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:46 am Post subject:

Update the thread title please.

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:52 am Post subject:

governator wrote:

emplay wrote:

Now that Indiana openly complain about tampering, is this gonna be a regular occurance by team GMs? trying to get other team in trouble?

Probably if they feel tampering happened.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:54 am Post subject:

non-player zealot wrote:

venturalakersfan wrote:

Bard207 wrote:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:

emplay wrote:

That is true and why someone with NBA experience should have been brought in with them. They are inexperienced and it is showing.

Experience is overrated if you use it to sign Mozgov and Deng by the books.

Positive change in team culture was more important than experience.

Two cases of breaking the rules in 6 months is positive? What a pathetic world you live in.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:58 am Post subject:

nash wrote:

non-player zealot wrote:

Experience is overrated if you use it to sign Mozgov and Deng by the books.

Positive change in team culture was more important than experience.

Yeah, those titles the people running the show before really sucked. Mitch getting us 4 was terrible. Maybe read some Laker history.
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