Where Should KDP Rank as the Best On-Ball Defender
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:35 am    Post subject:

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I think he works hard, but the metrics don't have him anywhere near the top. Maybe around average to slightly above average, which is elite at least on the Lakers (we've had poor defenders the past 4 years).


Let's put it this way.

If Pope wasn't a Laker, and we had a thread here about the best on-ball defenders, the over under on votes he would receive would be 0.5.


Yup.

No doubt he's the best on ball defender we've had in years, but compared to the top NBA perimeter defenders, he's not in the elite class at all.

But he is a Laker!
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I think he works hard, but the metrics don't have him anywhere near the top. Maybe around average to slightly above average, which is elite at least on the Lakers (we've had poor defenders the past 4 years).


Let's put it this way.

If Pope wasn't a Laker, and we had a thread here about the best on-ball defenders, the over under on votes he would receive would be 0.5.


Yup.

No doubt he's the best on ball defender we've had in years, but compared to the top NBA perimeter defenders, he's not in the elite class at all.

But he is a Laker!


Exactly! I don't remember his initials ever being mentioned here as a FA target nor as an elite defender prior to when the news broke he was talking to us.

Not saying he will suck but temper the expectations accordingly and lets see how he does for us.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:46 am    Post subject:

What will be interesting to see is how Lakers fans treat LBJ if he joins next year. All of a sudden he's a GOAT candidate.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:52 am    Post subject:

Hopefully we can keep KDP somehow, so he can play with LDJ, PD13, ZD2, and DI. Drossing my finders!
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Hopefully we can keep KDP somehow, so he can play with LDJ, PD13, ZD2, and DI. Drossing my finders!


We will have to likely renounce/trade/stretch 3 players to get 2 max players; there is no money left for KCP who wanted 20m/year. This is a one night/season stand with KCP most likely; and mutually beneficial.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:13 am    Post subject:

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What will be interesting to see is how Lakers fans treat LBJ if he joins next year. All of a sudden he's a GOAT candidate.


All of a sudden? Already happened.
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What will be interesting to see is how Lakers fans treat LBJ if he joins next year. All of a sudden he's a GOAT candidate.


All of a sudden? Already happened.




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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:29 am    Post subject:

I live on the East coast and saw KCP a few times with the Pistons. He was not particularly impressive in any way as a defender. Dogged, sure, but he was no "stopper".
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I live on the East coast and saw KCP a few times with the Pistons. He was not particularly impressive in any way as a defender. Dogged, sure, but he was no "stopper".


He is definitely and active defender. Very active and high energy. Whether that's ultimately efficacious, the advanced stats don't support that. But we haven't had an active defender here since MWP.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:52 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
ocho wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
I think he works hard, but the metrics don't have him anywhere near the top. Maybe around average to slightly above average, which is elite at least on the Lakers (we've had poor defenders the past 4 years).


Let's put it this way.

If Pope wasn't a Laker, and we had a thread here about the best on-ball defenders, the over under on votes he would receive would be 0.5.


Yup.

No doubt he's the best on ball defender we've had in years, but compared to the top NBA perimeter defenders, he's not in the elite class at all.

But he is a Laker!

So that means he's elite, right?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:52 am    Post subject:

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I live on the East coast and saw KCP a few times with the Pistons. He was not particularly impressive in any way as a defender. Dogged, sure, but he was no "stopper".


He is definitely and active defender. Very active and high energy. Whether that's ultimately efficacious, the advanced stats don't support that. But we haven't had an active defender here since MWP.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:32 am    Post subject:

KDP is a beast!

KCP is an average NBA player and a decent defender.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:41 pm    Post subject:

Dr. Laker wrote:
KDP is a beast!

KCP is an average NBA player and a decent defender.



If he's a decent defender that would easily make him our best defensive player.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:20 pm    Post subject:

KDP = Kobe Dean Pryant
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:26 pm    Post subject:

pio2u wrote:
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KDP is a beast!

KCP is an average NBA player and a decent defender.


If he's a decent defender that would easily make him our best defensive player.

Unfortunately, this is true at the Lakers guard position. Of the 81 point guards, ranked by ESPN Real Plus Minus, defensively Russell was #74 and and Clarkson was #79. Pope was #59 of 94 shooting guards. That is pretty good improvement.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:33 pm    Post subject:

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KDP is a beast!

KCP is an average NBA player and a decent defender.


If he's a decent defender that would easily make him our best defensive player.

Unfortunately, this is true at the Lakers guard position. Of the 81 point guards, ranked by ESPN Real Plus Minus, defensively Russell was #74 and and Clarkson was #79. Pope was #59 of 94 shooting guards. That is pretty good improvement.


Exactly, since the words "decent defender" has never been used in the same sentence with D-Lo or JC
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:49 pm    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
ocho wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
I think he works hard, but the metrics don't have him anywhere near the top. Maybe around average to slightly above average, which is elite at least on the Lakers (we've had poor defenders the past 4 years).


Let's put it this way.

If Pope wasn't a Laker, and we had a thread here about the best on-ball defenders, the over under on votes he would receive would be 0.5.


Yup.

No doubt he's the best on ball defender we've had in years, but compared to the top NBA perimeter defenders, he's not in the elite class at all.

But he is a Laker!


Exactly! I don't remember his initials ever being mentioned here as a FA target nor as an elite defender prior to when the news broke he was talking to us.

Not saying he will suck but temper the expectations accordingly and lets see how he does for us.


He was not really considered a FA target because he was a RFA considered highly likely to be re-signed by the Pistons. He was speculated to be a max contract free agent until negotiations broke down.

I am more optimistic then most. Pope played over 33mpg on a top 10 defense. Nightly played the other teams best perimeter player. That he has the reputation of playing hard against the best every night is a huge upgrade IMO.

Looking forward to seeing him and Ingram together this season.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:17 pm    Post subject:

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yinoma2001 wrote:
ocho wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
I think he works hard, but the metrics don't have him anywhere near the top. Maybe around average to slightly above average, which is elite at least on the Lakers (we've had poor defenders the past 4 years).


Let's put it this way.

If Pope wasn't a Laker, and we had a thread here about the best on-ball defenders, the over under on votes he would receive would be 0.5.


Yup.

No doubt he's the best on ball defender we've had in years, but compared to the top NBA perimeter defenders, he's not in the elite class at all.

But he is a Laker!


Exactly! I don't remember his initials ever being mentioned here as a FA target nor as an elite defender prior to when the news broke he was talking to us.

Not saying he will suck but temper the expectations accordingly and lets see how he does for us.


He was not really considered a FA target because he was a RFA considered highly likely to be re-signed by the Pistons. He was speculated to be a max contract free agent until negotiations broke down.

I am more optimistic then most. Pope played over 33mpg on a top 10 defense. Nightly played the other teams best perimeter player. That he has the reputation of playing hard against the best every night is a huge upgrade IMO.

Looking forward to seeing him and Ingram together this season.


Ok, but no one even said something along the lines of we need to get an elite defender like a KCP. I mean his name is literslly nowhere to be found on LG even as a comp to the type of players we'd like to get.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:27 pm    Post subject:

I think it is amusing on how great this guy has become, simply by changing uniforms...

He was let go by one of the worst teams in the NBA and the Lakers had to HUGELY overpay to get him.

His "awesome" defense should be the least of our worries...

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:34 pm    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
Chronicle wrote:
Kenny Tuning Pianos


Kentavious Thornwell Pope


This made me

That being said, That's not Jack.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:37 pm    Post subject:

Well, now we have a KUP on the Lakers and the Rams.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:13 am    Post subject:

Remember, he is manna that fell from heaven.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:16 pm    Post subject:

I'm sad that no one LOL'd my not the best defender but the best defender overall comment from earlier in this thread
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:19 pm    Post subject:

unleasHell wrote:
I think it is amusing on how great this guy has become, simply by changing uniforms...

He was let go by one of the worst teams in the NBA and the Lakers had to HUGELY overpay to get him.

His "awesome" defense should be the least of our worries...

KWP = Kan't Throw Proper


My thoughts as well. Around here people fall hard for their newest girlfriend.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Where Should KDP Rank as the Best On-Ball Defender

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Given the Laker's dire performance on defense, KDP should be a welcome relief. How much and in what ways can KDP help others play D

Where should KDP rank is the list listed at http://www.nba.com/article/2017/08/21/top-ball-defenders-nba-kawhi-leonard-andre-roberson-avery-bradley

Somewhere below all the players listed in the article, but somewhere above Jordan Clarkson (who shall now be called "JD").
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