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lakez34
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| 2019 wrote: | It's be awesome to make him the only Laker (or any great) to have 2 jerseys by the same team retired.
It'd be a special distinction that he deserves. |
Disagree. Retire with the jersey you last wore. You can still prevent players from wearing 8, but you always wore one jersey, actively chose to change your jersey number, did so, and now you should get one jersey on the rafters. If they manage to put two numbers on that jersey, or something like that, now that'd be cool, but no need for two jerseys up there. |
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ocho
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| lakez34 wrote: | | Seems really soon to be doing this after his retirement. Surprised to see it so soon, but should be an awesome moment! Hoping they retire just a single jersey and keep our wall of fame classy. Agree with the other poster... retire 24 and put the Kobe statue with 8 from the 81 pt game. |
Could be a nice touch to put 24 on the front of his statue and 8 on the back.
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governator
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| ocho wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | epak wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Shouldn't they wait to see if he makes the Hall of Fame? |
I hope it's both 8 and 24 |
Putting up both numbers wouldn't look right. Besides, he ditched #8. They should hang #24 but not let anyone wear #8. |
Seems rather silly to not retire 8 while not allowing anyone to wear it. If you're not gonna let anyone wear it, just retire it. |
Sillier than putting two jerseys in the rafters of the same player? |
why would it be silly at all? player(s) had multiple of their jerseys retired before |
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ocho
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| governator wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | epak wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Shouldn't they wait to see if he makes the Hall of Fame? |
I hope it's both 8 and 24 |
Putting up both numbers wouldn't look right. Besides, he ditched #8. They should hang #24 but not let anyone wear #8. |
Seems rather silly to not retire 8 while not allowing anyone to wear it. If you're not gonna let anyone wear it, just retire it. |
Sillier than putting two jerseys in the rafters of the same player? |
why would it be silly at all? player(s) had multiple of their jerseys retired before |
What team has retired multiple jerseys of a single player?
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venturalakersfan
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| ocho wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | epak wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Shouldn't they wait to see if he makes the Hall of Fame? |
I hope it's both 8 and 24 |
Putting up both numbers wouldn't look right. Besides, he ditched #8. They should hang #24 but not let anyone wear #8. |
Seems rather silly to not retire 8 while not allowing anyone to wear it. If you're not gonna let anyone wear it, just retire it. |
Sillier than putting two jerseys in the rafters of the same player? |
Both are gimmicks, let's hope we haven't sunk to that level
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governator
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| ocho wrote: | | governator wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | epak wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Shouldn't they wait to see if he makes the Hall of Fame? |
I hope it's both 8 and 24 |
Putting up both numbers wouldn't look right. Besides, he ditched #8. They should hang #24 but not let anyone wear #8. |
Seems rather silly to not retire 8 while not allowing anyone to wear it. If you're not gonna let anyone wear it, just retire it. |
Sillier than putting two jerseys in the rafters of the same player? |
why would it be silly at all? player(s) had multiple of their jerseys retired before |
What team has retired multiple jerseys of a single player? |
different teams for same players. We never have a situation like Kobe before. I'm just wondering what so silly about retiring both numbers |
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Judah
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| ocho wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | epak wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Shouldn't they wait to see if he makes the Hall of Fame? |
I hope it's both 8 and 24 |
Putting up both numbers wouldn't look right. Besides, he ditched #8. They should hang #24 but not let anyone wear #8. |
Seems rather silly to not retire 8 while not allowing anyone to wear it. If you're not gonna let anyone wear it, just retire it. |
Sillier than putting two jerseys in the rafters of the same player? |
No, I don't find it silly at all. I find it silly to function as if a number has been retired when it hasn't been.
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pmacla
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| Retire 8 with Bryant on the back AND retire 24 with Black Mamba on the back |
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ocho
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| governator wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | governator wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | epak wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Shouldn't they wait to see if he makes the Hall of Fame? |
I hope it's both 8 and 24 |
Putting up both numbers wouldn't look right. Besides, he ditched #8. They should hang #24 but not let anyone wear #8. |
Seems rather silly to not retire 8 while not allowing anyone to wear it. If you're not gonna let anyone wear it, just retire it. |
Sillier than putting two jerseys in the rafters of the same player? |
why would it be silly at all? player(s) had multiple of their jerseys retired before |
What team has retired multiple jerseys of a single player? |
different teams for same players. We never have a situation like Kobe before. I'm just wondering what so silly about retiring both numbers |
Well yeah that's an entirely different situation. No team has multiple jerseys of the same guy hanging in the rafters. Retiring a jersey is about honoring a player, not honoring every alteration he made to his uniform.
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lakez34
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| ocho wrote: | | governator wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | governator wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | epak wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Shouldn't they wait to see if he makes the Hall of Fame? |
I hope it's both 8 and 24 |
Putting up both numbers wouldn't look right. Besides, he ditched #8. They should hang #24 but not let anyone wear #8. |
Seems rather silly to not retire 8 while not allowing anyone to wear it. If you're not gonna let anyone wear it, just retire it. |
Sillier than putting two jerseys in the rafters of the same player? |
why would it be silly at all? player(s) had multiple of their jerseys retired before |
What team has retired multiple jerseys of a single player? |
different teams for same players. We never have a situation like Kobe before. I'm just wondering what so silly about retiring both numbers |
Well yeah that's an entirely different situation. No team has multiple jerseys of the same guy hanging in the rafters. Retiring a jersey is about honoring a player, not honoring every alteration he made to his uniform. |
Well put. Totally agreed. |
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mad55557777
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| This could be the last one in a while |
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governator
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| lakez34 wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | governator wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | governator wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | epak wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Shouldn't they wait to see if he makes the Hall of Fame? |
I hope it's both 8 and 24 |
Putting up both numbers wouldn't look right. Besides, he ditched #8. They should hang #24 but not let anyone wear #8. |
Seems rather silly to not retire 8 while not allowing anyone to wear it. If you're not gonna let anyone wear it, just retire it. |
Sillier than putting two jerseys in the rafters of the same player? |
why would it be silly at all? player(s) had multiple of their jerseys retired before |
What team has retired multiple jerseys of a single player? |
different teams for same players. We never have a situation like Kobe before. I'm just wondering what so silly about retiring both numbers |
Well yeah that's an entirely different situation. No team has multiple jerseys of the same guy hanging in the rafters. Retiring a jersey is about honoring a player, not honoring every alteration he made to his uniform. |
Well put. Totally agreed. |
Guess we'll have to disagree. I see it as a special circumstances, nothing to compare to. The league never had a player with 2 jerseys where each are HOF worthy by itself. If MJ had won 2 titles with the #45, I'm pretty sure the Bulls would hang up that jersey too. |
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pmacla
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | This could be the last one in a while |
They will retire Gasol's jersey when he makes the Hall of Fame |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:54 am Post subject: |
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What if Curry changes his jersey every year, do they retire 4-5 jerseys? One player, one jersey. Let's not turn this into a sideshow.
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governator
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | What if Curry changes his jersey every year, do they retire 4-5 jerseys? One player, one jersey. Let's not turn this into a sideshow. |
does each jersey's career worthy of HOF? the answer is no
Kobe's a special circumstances that has never occured |
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Judah
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| ocho wrote: | | governator wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | governator wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | epak wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Shouldn't they wait to see if he makes the Hall of Fame? |
I hope it's both 8 and 24 |
Putting up both numbers wouldn't look right. Besides, he ditched #8. They should hang #24 but not let anyone wear #8. |
Seems rather silly to not retire 8 while not allowing anyone to wear it. If you're not gonna let anyone wear it, just retire it. |
Sillier than putting two jerseys in the rafters of the same player? |
why would it be silly at all? player(s) had multiple of their jerseys retired before |
What team has retired multiple jerseys of a single player? |
different teams for same players. We never have a situation like Kobe before. I'm just wondering what so silly about retiring both numbers |
Well yeah that's an entirely different situation. No team has multiple jerseys of the same guy hanging in the rafters. Retiring a jersey is about honoring a player, not honoring every alteration he made to his uniform. |
If not retiring both numbers is about "not honoring every alteration a player makes to his uniform" then why not allow a player to wear 8? By doing so would you be honoring Kobe or dishonoring him?
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Just looked on Stubhub, tickets are already $550 for the cheap seats 
Was hoping I might be able to sneak some tickets before they made an official announcement, but I don't think that's gonna happen |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| governator wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | What if Curry changes his jersey every year, do they retire 4-5 jerseys? One player, one jersey. Let's not turn this into a sideshow. |
does each jersey's career worthy of HOF? the answer is no
Kobe's a special circumstances that has never occured |
Only because he was the only one who changed jersey numbers. He was no more special than other players whose jerseys were retired. Retire one for Kobe the player and call it good. No need to cheapen the process.
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Judah
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | What if Curry changes his jersey every year, do they retire 4-5 jerseys? One player, one jersey. Let's not turn this into a sideshow. |
Horrible example. At least try to come up with something realistic.
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venturalakersfan
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| Judah wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | governator wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | governator wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | epak wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Shouldn't they wait to see if he makes the Hall of Fame? |
I hope it's both 8 and 24 |
Putting up both numbers wouldn't look right. Besides, he ditched #8. They should hang #24 but not let anyone wear #8. |
Seems rather silly to not retire 8 while not allowing anyone to wear it. If you're not gonna let anyone wear it, just retire it. |
Sillier than putting two jerseys in the rafters of the same player? |
why would it be silly at all? player(s) had multiple of their jerseys retired before |
What team has retired multiple jerseys of a single player? |
different teams for same players. We never have a situation like Kobe before. I'm just wondering what so silly about retiring both numbers |
Well yeah that's an entirely different situation. No team has multiple jerseys of the same guy hanging in the rafters. Retiring a jersey is about honoring a player, not honoring every alteration he made to his uniform. |
If not retiring both numbers is about "not honoring every alteration a player makes to his uniform" then why not allow a player to wear 8? By doing so would you be honoring Kobe or dishonoring him? |
Neither, you would be allowing a player to wear a jersey number he wants. It would have nothing to do with Kobe.
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governator
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | governator wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | What if Curry changes his jersey every year, do they retire 4-5 jerseys? One player, one jersey. Let's not turn this into a sideshow. |
does each jersey's career worthy of HOF? the answer is no
Kobe's a special circumstances that has never occured |
Only because he was the only one who changed jersey numbers. He was no more special than other players whose jerseys were retired. Retire one for Kobe the player and call it good. No need to cheapen the process. |
Guess it cheapens it for some and historical for others. It'll be a great night regardless |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| Judah wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | What if Curry changes his jersey every year, do they retire 4-5 jerseys? One player, one jersey. Let's not turn this into a sideshow. |
Horrible example. At least try to come up with something realistic. |
What is realistic is that they will be honoring a player, not a piece of material.
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Judah
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | governator wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | governator wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | epak wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Shouldn't they wait to see if he makes the Hall of Fame? |
I hope it's both 8 and 24 |
Putting up both numbers wouldn't look right. Besides, he ditched #8. They should hang #24 but not let anyone wear #8. |
Seems rather silly to not retire 8 while not allowing anyone to wear it. If you're not gonna let anyone wear it, just retire it. |
Sillier than putting two jerseys in the rafters of the same player? |
why would it be silly at all? player(s) had multiple of their jerseys retired before |
What team has retired multiple jerseys of a single player? |
different teams for same players. We never have a situation like Kobe before. I'm just wondering what so silly about retiring both numbers |
Well yeah that's an entirely different situation. No team has multiple jerseys of the same guy hanging in the rafters. Retiring a jersey is about honoring a player, not honoring every alteration he made to his uniform. |
If not retiring both numbers is about "not honoring every alteration a player makes to his uniform" then why not allow a player to wear 8? By doing so would you be honoring Kobe or dishonoring him? |
Neither, you would be allowing a player to wear a jersey number he wants. It would have nothing to do with Kobe. |
What? The guy suggested not allowing anyone to wear 8 instead of retiring it. My point, clearly, was that even doing that would be honoring Kobe.
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Judah
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | What if Curry changes his jersey every year, do they retire 4-5 jerseys? One player, one jersey. Let's not turn this into a sideshow. |
Horrible example. At least try to come up with something realistic. |
What is realistic is that they will be honoring a player, not a piece of material. |
So retiring one number is honoring a player, but retiring both would be honoring a piece of material? You've just failed at logic in epic fashion. Again.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | Why pick a game you have little chance of winning? Lol |
At least it says they're doing it before the game, not halftime when they might be down by 30.
I'm hoping they'll find a good way to represent both 8 and 24 on one jersey. If not, should just be 24. |
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