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Chase.button07
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| oldlakerfan wrote: | If you are OKC and don't think you can resign PG13 and Westbrook why wouldn't you look at trade them and get some pieces for the future?
Love to acquire them without giving up Randle, BI or Ball.
KCP, Clarkson, Nance, Zubac, Hart, Kuzma, Deng and Brewer plus a couple of first rounders.
That is at least the start of a good team right there. Deng is there of to make the salaries match.
Probably a pipe dream but if the young guys show really good improvement and OKC is sure they are going to lose both of them it beats the alternative of getting nothing in return. |
why in the world would you give cheap assets in nance, Zubac, Kuzma, hart?
KCP is expirer. clarkson can be traded easily and u get rid of deng for 2 1st rounders
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: Shelburne: Speculates that Lakers are a likely Landing Spot for Westbrook |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20703289
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Don't let fat throat get your hopes up high. Russell could be keeping his option open so that okc can have room to negotiate with George first.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| oldlakerfan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | oldlakerfan wrote: | If you are OKC and don't think you can resign PG13 and Westbrook why wouldn't you look at trade them and get some pieces for the future?
Love to acquire them without giving up Randle, BI or Ball.
KCP, Clarkson, Nance, Zubac, Hart, Kuzma, Deng and Brewer plus a couple of first rounders.
That is at least the start of a good team right there. Deng is there of to make the salaries match.
Probably a pipe dream but if the young guys show really good improvement and OKC is sure they are going to lose both of them it beats the alternative of getting nothing in return. |
Big time pipe dream. Why would OKC think that they couldn't re-sign PG and RW? |
Low probability yes but if Clarkson, KCP, Nance & Kuzma all play well that his a pretty good package to build a team with.
At some point during the season OKC will need to determine if they can resign those guys or not. PG13 has already said he wants to be a Laker and Westbrook has a huge contract he has not yet signed. The will be faced with getting nothing in return and a 5 year rebuilding situation if they play their cards wrong. |
So why give up all those pieces just to have your guy for a couple extra months?
None of what you are proposing makes sense. Plus, they wouldnt get nothing. They'd have salary cap space. That is better than getting Deng, even if Deng is something. |
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | | oldlakerfan wrote: | If you are OKC and don't think you can resign PG13 and Westbrook why wouldn't you look at trade them and get some pieces for the future?
Love to acquire them without giving up Randle, BI or Ball.
KCP, Clarkson, Nance, Zubac, Hart, Kuzma, Deng and Brewer plus a couple of first rounders.
That is at least the start of a good team right there. Deng is there of to make the salaries match.
Probably a pipe dream but if the young guys show really good improvement and OKC is sure they are going to lose both of them it beats the alternative of getting nothing in return. |
why in the world would you give cheap assets in nance, Zubac, Kuzma, hart?
KCP is expirer. clarkson can be traded easily and u get rid of deng for 2 1st rounders |
You also get rid of Deng
Ball, WB, PG13, Randle, Lopez and Ingram becomes your core. That is a high level playoff team and could happen this year. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | oldlakerfan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | oldlakerfan wrote: | If you are OKC and don't think you can resign PG13 and Westbrook why wouldn't you look at trade them and get some pieces for the future?
Love to acquire them without giving up Randle, BI or Ball.
KCP, Clarkson, Nance, Zubac, Hart, Kuzma, Deng and Brewer plus a couple of first rounders.
That is at least the start of a good team right there. Deng is there of to make the salaries match.
Probably a pipe dream but if the young guys show really good improvement and OKC is sure they are going to lose both of them it beats the alternative of getting nothing in return. |
Big time pipe dream. Why would OKC think that they couldn't re-sign PG and RW? |
Low probability yes but if Clarkson, KCP, Nance & Kuzma all play well that his a pretty good package to build a team with.
At some point during the season OKC will need to determine if they can resign those guys or not. PG13 has already said he wants to be a Laker and Westbrook has a huge contract he has not yet signed. The will be faced with getting nothing in return and a 5 year rebuilding situation if they play their cards wrong. |
So why give up all those pieces just to have your guy for a couple extra months?
None of what you are proposing makes sense. Plus, they wouldnt get nothing. They'd have salary cap space. That is better than getting Deng, even if Deng is something. |
OKC having cap space with not assets on the team. Nobody good will want to sign there. Yes Deng is a boat anchor but they would have a bunch of good young cheap assets.
OKC is not stupid like Indiana and will look to get the best value. PG13 if he is set on the Lakers will not bring much in return and teams will have to question Westbrook's signability. There value will be depressed around the league.
Now Kuzma, Clarkson, Zubac, Nance and KCP all have to show well during the early part of the season and OKC needs to be convinced they will not resign PG13 & WB. If all that happens there is a chance. We would have our 2 max players and keep Randle and Lopez. |
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| oldlakerfan wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | oldlakerfan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | oldlakerfan wrote: | If you are OKC and don't think you can resign PG13 and Westbrook why wouldn't you look at trade them and get some pieces for the future?
Love to acquire them without giving up Randle, BI or Ball.
KCP, Clarkson, Nance, Zubac, Hart, Kuzma, Deng and Brewer plus a couple of first rounders.
That is at least the start of a good team right there. Deng is there of to make the salaries match.
Probably a pipe dream but if the young guys show really good improvement and OKC is sure they are going to lose both of them it beats the alternative of getting nothing in return. |
Big time pipe dream. Why would OKC think that they couldn't re-sign PG and RW? |
Low probability yes but if Clarkson, KCP, Nance & Kuzma all play well that his a pretty good package to build a team with.
At some point during the season OKC will need to determine if they can resign those guys or not. PG13 has already said he wants to be a Laker and Westbrook has a huge contract he has not yet signed. The will be faced with getting nothing in return and a 5 year rebuilding situation if they play their cards wrong. |
So why give up all those pieces just to have your guy for a couple extra months?
None of what you are proposing makes sense. Plus, they wouldnt get nothing. They'd have salary cap space. That is better than getting Deng, even if Deng is something. |
OKC having cap space with not assets on the team. Nobody good will want to sign there. Yes Deng is a boat anchor but they would have a bunch of good young cheap assets.
OKC is not stupid like Indiana and will look to get the best value. PG13 if he is set on the Lakers will not bring much in return and teams will have to question Westbrook's signability. There value will be depressed around the league.
Now Kuzma, Clarkson, Zubac, Nance and KCP all have to show well during the early part of the season and OKC needs to be convinced they will not resign PG13 & WB. If all that happens there is a chance. We would have our 2 max players and keep Randle and Lopez. |
There is no chance that would happen. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | The Lebrons wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | The Lebrons wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Why would OKC think that they couldn't re-sign PG and RW? |
Maybe because they offered Westbrook a 5year/207 million contract months ago and he hasn't signed it?
Maybe because Paul George has given no indication he plans to re-sign?
Maybe because they had another superstar who left in free agency a year ago (who they thought would never leave)? |
The oladipo deal also lets them clear the cap books if WB/pg13 don't return. |
We're not even going that far. The assertion that there's no reason to think that Westbrook or PG13 won't re-sign is very...I don't have a nice word for it. |
I'm saying that the Dipo deal was a backup plan to rebuild from scratch Just in case. |
That is what it was, with the primary plan being re-signing RW and PG. They need to show them that they can compete to convince them to stay.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: Shelburne: Speculates that Lakers are a likely Landing Spot for Westbrook |
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| Car54 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20703289
It's Litt!!! |
Don't let fat throat get your hopes up high. Russell could be keeping his option open so that okc can have room to negotiate with George first. |
Rumors are that Westbrook wants a shorter deal to take advantage of future cap raises. He can make more than the super max.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: Shelburne: Speculates that Lakers are a likely Landing Spot for Westbrook |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20703289
It's Litt!!! |
Don't let fat throat get your hopes up high. Russell could be keeping his option open so that okc can have room to negotiate with George first. |
Rumors are that Westbrook wants a shorter deal to take advantage of future cap raises. He can make more than the super max. |
That would be excellent for the Lakers because the primary advantage OKC has is the 5th year. We can give him essentially the same deal on anything shorter.
Looking at their Cap situation, maxing out Russ and George would put them very deep into the tax for 2018-19. I get that there are ways to shave salary off before that becomes an issue. But doing so while keeping the quality of the team high isn't easy, especially when the entire league knows you're looking down the barrel of a gun.
Not a lot of cap room out there next year and they won't exactly be able to move guys off for nothing after the deadline this year. At the same time moving guys off this season doesn't speak to ownership's willingness to pay for a winner.
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There will have to be some major loophole initiation for us to get WB, George, Lbj.
I do feel like if anybody can get it done it's Magic/Pelinka. I don't know why I think that? They have no track record. Love our front office though and they aura they project. |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:17 am Post subject: Re: Shelburne: Speculates that Lakers are a likely Landing Spot for Westbrook |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20703289
It's Litt!!! |
Don't let fat throat get your hopes up high. Russell could be keeping his option open so that okc can have room to negotiate with George first. |
Rumors are that Westbrook wants a shorter deal to take advantage of future cap raises. He can make more than the super max. |
That would be excellent for the Lakers because the primary advantage OKC has is the 5th year. We can give him essentially the same deal on anything shorter.
Looking at their Cap situation, maxing out Russ and George would put them very deep into the tax for 2018-19. I get that there are ways to shave salary off before that becomes an issue. But doing so while keeping the quality of the team high isn't easy, especially when the entire league knows you're looking down the barrel of a gun.
Not a lot of cap room out there next year and they won't exactly be able to move guys off for nothing after the deadline this year. At the same time moving guys off this season doesn't speak to ownership's willingness to pay for a winner. |
If Westbrook wants shorter deals how is a 5th year an advantage? If he wanted that he would sign the super max for 6 years. And no, we couldn't give him the same deal that OKC can, they can give him larger raises.
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| Tony Anapolis wrote: | There will have to be some major loophole initiation for us to get WB, George, Lbj.
I do feel like if anybody can get it done it's Magic/Pelinka. I don't know why I think that? They have no track record. Love our front office though and they aura they project. |
Those 3 take up the salary cap, everyone would have to go.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:17 am Post subject: Re: Shelburne: Speculates that Lakers are a likely Landing Spot for Westbrook |
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ventura, I dont understand the question. It's better for LA if Russ doesn't care about the 5th year. Makes an LA offer essentially the same as an OKC offer save a nominal difference in raises (relatively speaking of course). Also opens up the possibility of taking less in the first year to fit other guys without multiplying the impact over multiple years as long as non-bird rights get him to max the following year (assuming a 1+1). Let's him take 15%-20% less in the first year. That's a different thing of course and his willingness to take less and/or do a deal that short are highly debatable. But a shorter deal lowers the opportunity cost and it's not too different from what his former running mate did in GS (though he took less the second year n his case).
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| Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: Shelburne: Speculates that Lakers are a likely Landing Spot for Westbrook |
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| Car54 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20703289
It's Litt!!! |
Don't let fat throat get your hopes up high. Russell could be keeping his option open so that okc can have room to negotiate with George first. |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: Shelburne: Speculates that Lakers are a likely Landing Spot for Westbrook |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | ventura, I dont understand the question. It's better for LA if Russ doesn't care about the 5th year. Makes an LA offer essentially the same as an OKC offer save a nominal difference in raises (relatively speaking of course). Also opens up the possibility of taking less in the first year to fit other guys without multiplying the impact over multiple years as long as non-bird rights get him to max the following year (assuming a 1+1). Let's him take 15%-20% less in the first year. That's a different thing of course and his willingness to take less and/or do a deal that short are highly debatable. But a shorter deal lowers the opportunity cost and it's not too different from what his former running mate did in GS (though he took less the second year n his case). |
The point is that (apparently) he isn't interested in a 5th or 6th year, so it becomes about what he can make shorter term taking advantage of salary cap rises. He can make more in OKC if that is important to him. And I have no idea how important that is to him. If he wants to take less for 2 years here so we get Bird Rights then that is fine. But shorter contracts to take advantage of salary cap raises seems like a strategy to make as much as possible.
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There's a big difference between the increase you can get from getting 35% of a larger cap and the gap in home/non-home raises on a short term deal.
If WB did a 2+1 with LA he would have to take a 5% raise in the second year instead of an 8% raise. After the second year he could sign a new deal at the full 8% raises at the new cap figure. For the one year the difference has little implication.
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