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King Randle
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From Bill Onram.
One Bogut wrinkle: Some concern within org that Brook Lopez could miss some of preseason with back issues. Insurance?
This is a little more concerning to me. |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| AY2043 wrote: | | They only have about 65 mil in salary right now, so they're far enough under the cap that they could absorb the extra 8 mil or so. |
You're right. I ran it through the trade machine how you proposed it and it didn't work, but all it needed was one small salary added coming to the Lakers.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb7sk67w |
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Do understand why Bogut was gotten.
Zubac has time to develop. Bigs usually take longer anyway, he's only 20 and he has time. Playing against Lopez and Bogut and having them both mentor him and having them to go up against in practice is good for both Zubac AND Thomas Bryant.
Zubac had a LOT of other personal things going on during summer league that disengaged him, things bigger than basketball.
But the people that gave up on him cause of a poor summer league probably after spending a summer bigging him up. Please do us all a favor, and don't jump back on if and when he starts to play well again.
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kevin61
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| MJST wrote: | Do understand why Bogut was gotten.
Zubac has time to develop. Bigs usually take longer anyway, he's only 20 and he has time. Playing against Lopez and Bogut and having them both mentor him and having them to go up against in practice is good for both Zubac AND Thomas Bryant.
Zubac had a LOT of other personal things going on during summer league that disengaged him, things bigger than basketball.
But the people that gave up on him cause of a poor summer league probably after spending a summer bigging him up. Please do us all a favor, and don't jump back on if and when he starts to play well again. |
Agreed. Those that got off the Zubby bandwagon are not wanted and shall not return. |
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| unleasHell wrote: | | defense wrote: | | krisobe wrote: | DEATH LINEUP OF....
BALL
KCP
INGRAM
KUZMA
BOGUT
4 players that can shoot the 3, and one player for defense n rebounds. |
KCP- mediocre shooter
Ingram- terrible shooter
Ball/Kuzma- has not played a single NBA game
I like your optimism |
funny, but I gotta agree...! |
I think Pope is being underrated here. Before his shoulder injury last season Pope shot 40% on 5.5 3's per game over 39 games. After his injury he shot 30% on 6 per.
He had a 8 for 11 game, but he also had a 2 for 12 game so he was very up and down with his shooting. Hopefully it was more of a shot selection thing and he gets a bunch of open looks playing with Lonzo this season. Stays consistent
Also I'd like to point out that Paul George and Brandon Ingram both shot 30% on 2.5 attempts per game in their rookie seasons. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | AY2043 wrote: | | They only have about 65 mil in salary right now, so they're far enough under the cap that they could absorb the extra 8 mil or so. |
You're right. I ran it through the trade machine how you proposed it and it didn't work, but all it needed was one small salary added coming to the Lakers.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb7sk67w |
Trading future for past. Bad trade all around.
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King Randle
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| Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | Do understand why Bogut was gotten.
Zubac has time to develop. Bigs usually take longer anyway, he's only 20 and he has time. Playing against Lopez and Bogut and having them both mentor him and having them to go up against in practice is good for both Zubac AND Thomas Bryant.
Zubac had a LOT of other personal things going on during summer league that disengaged him, things bigger than basketball.
But the people that gave up on him cause of a poor summer league probably after spending a summer bigging him up. Please do us all a favor, and don't jump back on if and when he starts to play well again. |
It also has to do with Lopez having back issues and he's an insurance policy in case he misses time. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: |
Zubac had a LOT of other personal things going on during summer league that disengaged him, things bigger than basketball.
But the people that gave up on him cause of a poor summer league probably after spending a summer bigging him up. Please do us all a favor, and don't jump back on if and when he starts to play well again. |
Part of being a professional is being able to do your job despite what is going on outside.
No one has given up on Zubac, you don't need to get hysterical, but it is smart to not be counting on him as a rotation player this season because it is clear he isn't ready.
We will jump on or off the bandwagon as we wish also Dad.....
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Bogut in a limited mpg role on the minimum is an absolute steal!
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dcarter4kobe
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1 year too late.
On another note, Bogut, if he proves to be healthy, wouldn't be a bad "starting" C for 15MPG. next year if we get 2 max guys.
Will be curious to see if Bogut even makes the team and if so would he play? We already have one slow footed C starting. We probably go with speed on the 2nd unit at the 5 (Nance, Randle). That could leave Bogut, Zu, T.Bryant all on the outside looking in.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Bogut in a limited mpg role on the minimum is an absolute steal! |
This.
I hate Bogut, but the signing is a no-brainer.
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Nash Vegas
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I'm just shocked that kobe_luver still hasn't made an Official Andrew Bogut thread 
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| Shaber wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | AY2043 wrote: | | They only have about 65 mil in salary right now, so they're far enough under the cap that they could absorb the extra 8 mil or so. |
You're right. I ran it through the trade machine how you proposed it and it didn't work, but all it needed was one small salary added coming to the Lakers.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb7sk67w |
Trading future for past. Bad trade all around. |
Again, any Wade trade would be a salary dump; no one actually cares about getting Wade the player. It's 100% about getting rid of Deng.
I'd just as soon trade those 4 for a bag of chips, as long as the bag of chips had an expiring contract. |
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20-25 minutes for Bogut is ideal.
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| AY2043 wrote: | | Shaber wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | AY2043 wrote: | | They only have about 65 mil in salary right now, so they're far enough under the cap that they could absorb the extra 8 mil or so. |
You're right. I ran it through the trade machine how you proposed it and it didn't work, but all it needed was one small salary added coming to the Lakers.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb7sk67w |
Trading future for past. Bad trade all around. |
Again, any Wade trade would be a salary dump; no one actually cares about getting Wade the player. It's 100% about getting rid of Deng.
I'd just as soon trade those 4 for a bag of chips, as long as the bag of chips had an expiring contract. |
It's a steal for the Lakers when you consider how much it cost to jettison Mozgov. I just don't think Chicago does it, even with a future first attached. |
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| LakerLanny wrote: | | MJST wrote: |
Zubac had a LOT of other personal things going on during summer league that disengaged him, things bigger than basketball.
But the people that gave up on him cause of a poor summer league probably after spending a summer bigging him up. Please do us all a favor, and don't jump back on if and when he starts to play well again. |
Part of being a professional is being able to do your job despite what is going on outside.
No one has given up on Zubac, you don't need to get hysterical, but it is smart to not be counting on him as a rotation player this season because it is clear he isn't ready.
We will jump on or off the bandwagon as we wish also Dad..... |
He's ready, don't be a prisoner of the moment because he didn't play welll in 5 SL games.
Sincerity,
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| Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| AY2043 wrote: | | Shaber wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | AY2043 wrote: | | They only have about 65 mil in salary right now, so they're far enough under the cap that they could absorb the extra 8 mil or so. |
You're right. I ran it through the trade machine how you proposed it and it didn't work, but all it needed was one small salary added coming to the Lakers.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb7sk67w |
Trading future for past. Bad trade all around. |
Again, any Wade trade would be a salary dump; no one actually cares about getting Wade the player. It's 100% about getting rid of Deng.
I'd just as soon trade those 4 for a bag of chips, as long as the bag of chips had an expiring contract. |
Man it would suck to lose Nance he's one of my fav players in the NBA.
If they would take Randle instead that would be better but the NBA is a business. If thats the price  I guess I would pull the trigger |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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so we traded a stiff (Mozgov) for a guy with a stiff back (Lopez)?  |
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| LakerLanny wrote: | | MJST wrote: |
Zubac had a LOT of other personal things going on during summer league that disengaged him, things bigger than basketball.
But the people that gave up on him cause of a poor summer league probably after spending a summer bigging him up. Please do us all a favor, and don't jump back on if and when he starts to play well again. |
Part of being a professional is being able to do your job despite what is going on outside.
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Michael Jordan retired because his father was murdered.
Zubac can be disengaged from Summer league because he lost his grandfather and his own country was bashing him for not playing for his National Team.
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Pacific Notes: Bogut, Walton, Ball, Ingram
| Quote: | | The one-year, $2.3MM contract Andrew Bogut signed with the Lakers is only guaranteed for $50K, tweets Bobby Marks of ESPN. Bogut and his agent spent the summer trying to convince teams there would be no lingering effects from the broken left tibia he suffered in March while with the Cavaliers. Other organizations expressed interest, but Bogut opted for the Lakers, even though the guarantee is extremely low for a veteran of his caliber. |
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/09/pacific-notes-bogut-walton-ball-ingram.html |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | | so we traded a stiff (Mozgov) for a guy with a stiff back (Lopez)? |
And Kuzma..
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| Hopefully his career with the Lakers lasts longer than the one he had with the Cavs... |
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| pio2u wrote: | Pacific Notes: Bogut, Walton, Ball, Ingram
| Quote: | | The one-year, $2.3MM contract Andrew Bogut signed with the Lakers is only guaranteed for $50K, tweets Bobby Marks of ESPN. Bogut and his agent spent the summer trying to convince teams there would be no lingering effects from the broken left tibia he suffered in March while with the Cavaliers. Other organizations expressed interest, but Bogut opted for the Lakers, even though the guarantee is extremely low for a veteran of his caliber. |
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/09/pacific-notes-bogut-walton-ball-ingram.html |
If he really is healthy It wouldnt suprise me to see him get 20m a game. Between his needed defense, Lopez's own health issues and Luke he has a good chance to make an impact.
The more I learn about this guy the more I like the signing, assuming his game hasnt aged 10 years from his last injury. |
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