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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:45 am    Post subject: College Basketball Bribery Scandal

This could get really ugly. It is unlikely that this is limited to just four universities.

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The coaches were identified in court papers as Chuck Person of Auburn University, Emanuel Richardson of the University of Arizona, Tony Bland of the University of Southern California and Lamont Evans of Oklahoma State. It was not immediately clear who would represent them at initial court appearances.

They were among 10 people charged in Manhattan federal court. Others included managers, financial advisers and representatives of a major international sportswear company. The details were to be discussed at a news conference Tuesday at noon ET.


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They said the probe has revealed numerous instances in which bribes were paid by athlete advisers, including financial advisers and associate basketball coaches, to assistant and associate basketball coaches to exert influence over student-athletes so the athletes would retain the services of those paying the bribes.



http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20824193/ncaa-basketball-coaches-10-charged-fraud-corruption
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:29 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:31 am    Post subject: Re: College Basketball Bribery Scandal

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
This could get really ugly. It is unlikely that this is limited to just four universities.

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The coaches were identified in court papers as Chuck Person of Auburn University, Emanuel Richardson of the University of Arizona, Tony Bland of the University of Southern California and Lamont Evans of Oklahoma State. It was not immediately clear who would represent them at initial court appearances.

They were among 10 people charged in Manhattan federal court. Others included managers, financial advisers and representatives of a major international sportswear company. The details were to be discussed at a news conference Tuesday at noon ET.


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They said the probe has revealed numerous instances in which bribes were paid by athlete advisers, including financial advisers and associate basketball coaches, to assistant and associate basketball coaches to exert influence over student-athletes so the athletes would retain the services of those paying the bribes.



http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20824193/ncaa-basketball-coaches-10-charged-fraud-corruption


sad part is none of what I have read so far is the least bit surprising...we have known for years that the shoe companies and amateur basketball is a corrupt cesspool.....the shoe companies, AAU, high school (@ the elite levels) and College Basketball
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:39 am    Post subject:

This has gone on for decades (see undefeated UNLV losing to Duke in the 1991 NCAA Finals game). Let's see if this actually goes anywhere.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:41 am    Post subject:

let the 'athletes' make a living then
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:47 am    Post subject:

governator wrote:
let the 'athletes' make a living then


EXACTLY. Let's do away with this obsession of NCAA Athletes being amateur
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:53 am    Post subject:

Only the NCAA can make money....everyone else no way.
Someone wants to preserve their monopoly.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:53 am    Post subject:

Updated article. This is going to be bad. Louisville and Adidas in particular are in serious trouble. When (not if) one of these guys flips, some of schools will get sucked into the maelstrom.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20824193/ncaa-basketball-coaches-10-charged-fraud-corruption

By the way, I am no fan of the NCAA or phony amateurism, but when you bribe employees of a university, it is a serious crime that goes beyond what any of us think about college athletics.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:55 am    Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
Updated article. This is going to be bad. Louisville and Adidas in particular are in serious trouble. When (not if) one of these guys flips, some of schools will get sucked into the maelstrom.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20824193/ncaa-basketball-coaches-10-charged-fraud-corruption

By the way, I am no fan of the NCAA or phony amateurism, but when you bribe employees of a university, it is a serious crime that goes beyond what any of us think about college athletics.


Who goes down, the company or the individual that did the bribe? lawyerly speaking
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:57 am    Post subject:

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Only the NCAA can make money....everyone else no way.
Someone wants to preserve their monopoly.


Yup. They created this system with their greed and want to pretend they are about the "student" part of student athlete. Sadly everyone knows it's a crap system yet nothing has changed
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:09 am    Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
Updated article. This is going to be bad. Louisville and Adidas in particular are in serious trouble. When (not if) one of these guys flips, some of schools will get sucked into the maelstrom.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20824193/ncaa-basketball-coaches-10-charged-fraud-corruption

By the way, I am no fan of the NCAA or phony amateurism, but when you bribe employees of a university, it is a serious crime that goes beyond what any of us think about college athletics.


I believe thats why the Feds are involved with this. Otherwise it would just be in the NCAA hands on how to punish the schools.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:45 am    Post subject:

lakeshow03 wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Only the NCAA can make money....everyone else no way.
Someone wants to preserve their monopoly.


Yup. They created this system with their greed and want to pretend they are about the "student" part of student athlete. Sadly everyone knows it's a crap system yet nothing has changed


over 90% of NCAA sanctioned sports on campus lose money.....crap loads of money. The NCAA is far from perfect, but still heavily scales on the positive side of things when the whole picture is considered. The actual NCAA, located in Indianapolis, Indiana views the Blue Chip basketball player in the same light as the water polo player that no one has or ever will know their name. You can claim that the PAC 12 or the SEC....or even UCLA or Alabama is all about the money.....but the NCAA is simply a governing body trying to hold everyone accountable to the same rule book.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:49 am    Post subject:

lakersken80 wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
Updated article. This is going to be bad. Louisville and Adidas in particular are in serious trouble. When (not if) one of these guys flips, some of schools will get sucked into the maelstrom.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20824193/ncaa-basketball-coaches-10-charged-fraud-corruption

By the way, I am no fan of the NCAA or phony amateurism, but when you bribe employees of a university, it is a serious crime that goes beyond what any of us think about college athletics.


I believe thats why the Feds are involved with this. Otherwise it would just be in the NCAA hands on how to punish the schools.


It's in the FBI's hands because there are charges that "federal crimes" were committed. The FBI is not going to punish any institution, place them on probation, or limit scholarships.......the NCAA will be in charge of that type of discipline....but this is far larger than NCAA violations.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:52 am    Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
Updated article. This is going to be bad. Louisville and Adidas in particular are in serious trouble. When (not if) one of these guys flips, some of schools will get sucked into the maelstrom.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20824193/ncaa-basketball-coaches-10-charged-fraud-corruption

By the way, I am no fan of the NCAA or phony amateurism, but when you bribe employees of a university, it is a serious crime that goes beyond what any of us think about college athletics.


yes, this is going to be bad.....and only feels like the beginning of a massive investigation.....with many more prosecutions, and in some manner will likely change the landscape or recruiting, show companies access, etc. in a major way.

I do take exception with the portrayal of the problem by Joon H. Kim, the acting United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York being limited to the coaches and shoe companies.....the athletes, and especially their families (and advisers) are huge parts of the problems. Families often drive the market by auctioning off their child's services to the highest bidder.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:02 pm    Post subject:

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It's in the FBI's hands because there are charges that "federal crimes" were committed. The FBI is not going to punish any institution, place them on probation, or limit scholarships.......the NCAA will be in charge of that type of discipline....but this is far larger than NCAA violations.


This is true, but it is not unthinkable that some high ranking school officials could get sucked into it. It's not likely, but it could happen. I bet Calapari is hoping that he dodged a bullet.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:06 pm    Post subject:

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adkindo wrote:
It's in the FBI's hands because there are charges that "federal crimes" were committed. The FBI is not going to punish any institution, place them on probation, or limit scholarships.......the NCAA will be in charge of that type of discipline....but this is far larger than NCAA violations.


This is true, but it is not unthinkable that some high ranking school officials could get sucked into it. It's not likely, but it could happen. I bet Calapari is hoping that he dodged a bullet.


almost feels like these could be 10 strategic arrests who may have the information to fill in the blanks for more arrests.
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I do take exception with the portrayal of the problem by Joon H. Kim, the acting United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York being limited to the coaches and shoe companies.....the athletes, and especially their families (and advisers) are huge parts of the problems. Families often drive the market by auctioning off their child's services to the highest bidder.


You're right, but there are limits to how far federal criminal law can reach. When you have bribers (shoe companies), bribees (coaches), and facilitators (the shady agent types), it makes for a coherent violation of criminal law. But what crime do the families or the athletes commit by taking the money?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:07 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
lakeshow03 wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Only the NCAA can make money....everyone else no way.
Someone wants to preserve their monopoly.


Yup. They created this system with their greed and want to pretend they are about the "student" part of student athlete. Sadly everyone knows it's a crap system yet nothing has changed


over 90% of NCAA sanctioned sports on campus lose money.....crap loads of money. The NCAA is far from perfect, but still heavily scales on the positive side of things when the whole picture is considered. The actual NCAA, located in Indianapolis, Indiana views the Blue Chip basketball player in the same light as the water polo player that no one has or ever will know their name. You can claim that the PAC 12 or the SEC....or even UCLA or Alabama is all about the money.....but the NCAA is simply a governing body trying to hold everyone accountable to the same rule book.


You just gave a reason why the NCAA needs to keep this going....the entire thing is a house of cards, they take away money from the revenue generating sports to prop up the non-revenue generating sports, plus its also a funding source for the universities. If they have to pay players, there is a lot less money to go around.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:11 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
adkindo wrote:
It's in the FBI's hands because there are charges that "federal crimes" were committed. The FBI is not going to punish any institution, place them on probation, or limit scholarships.......the NCAA will be in charge of that type of discipline....but this is far larger than NCAA violations.


This is true, but it is not unthinkable that some high ranking school officials could get sucked into it. It's not likely, but it could happen. I bet Calapari is hoping that he dodged a bullet.


almost feels like these could be 10 strategic arrests who may have the information to fill in the blanks for more arrests.


Right, and the more I think about it, the more I think that the immediate target here is Adidas. If this was an organized program within Adidas, and if the feds can get the records or get the right person to roll over, then it just becomes a simple exercise in following the money.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:13 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
but the NCAA is simply a governing body trying to hold everyone accountable to the same rule book.


Let's just say that the NCAA is many things, some of them good, some of them not.
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lakersken80 wrote:
adkindo wrote:
lakeshow03 wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Only the NCAA can make money....everyone else no way.
Someone wants to preserve their monopoly.


Yup. They created this system with their greed and want to pretend they are about the "student" part of student athlete. Sadly everyone knows it's a crap system yet nothing has changed


over 90% of NCAA sanctioned sports on campus lose money.....crap loads of money. The NCAA is far from perfect, but still heavily scales on the positive side of things when the whole picture is considered. The actual NCAA, located in Indianapolis, Indiana views the Blue Chip basketball player in the same light as the water polo player that no one has or ever will know their name. You can claim that the PAC 12 or the SEC....or even UCLA or Alabama is all about the money.....but the NCAA is simply a governing body trying to hold everyone accountable to the same rule book.


You just gave a reason why the NCAA needs to keep this going....the entire thing is a house of cards, they take away money from the revenue generating sports to prop up the non-revenue generating sports, plus its also a funding source for the universities. If they have to pay players, there is a lot less money to go around.


who is "they"?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:21 pm    Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
adkindo wrote:
but the NCAA is simply a governing body trying to hold everyone accountable to the same rule book.


Let's just say that the NCAA is many things, some of them good, some of them not.


put it this way....I think without the NCAA or some type of governing entity, the landscape of college sports would be far worse. Also, if we are going to point to the billions of dollars as a problem, that money is on the campuses, not in Indianapolis. The licensing fees, etc. are distributed to the member schools. I just feel like everyone points to the NCAA which is deflecting blame from the member schools.....in the end, the NCAA is exactly what the member schools make it to be.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:40 pm    Post subject:

>USC again

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:45 pm    Post subject: Former Lakers Asst Coach Chuck Person among 10 arrested on Federal Corruption Charges

Chuck Person is/was an assistant at Auburn University and was the Lakers Assistant Coach under Phil Jackson and Mike Brown from 2009-2013.

Please move if needed to General Basketball if no longer meeting the proper criteria for lounge.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20824193/ncaa-basketball-coaches-10-charged-fraud-corruption

From Chuck Person's wiki:

"Person was arrested by federal law enforcement on the night of September 25, 2017 in Alabama. He was arrested on six felony counts: bribery conspiracy, solicitation of bribes and gratuities, conspiracy to commit honest services fraud, honest services wire fraud, conspiracy to commit wire fraud, and travel act conspiracy after allegedly accepting kickbacks for steering student-athletes to financial managers. Person was suspended without pay by Auburn University the day after his arrest."

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-release/file/998746/download
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:57 pm    Post subject:

From the ESPN article (doesn't sound good for Adidas either):

"The FBI conducted an elaborate undercover operation, starting in 2015, and managed to keep it a secret. The NCAA wasn't made aware of the investigation until Tuesday morning. Using wiretaps, surveillance video and cooperating witnesses, the FBI was able to document coaches accepting bribes to steer their players toward certain financial advisers and/or business managers. In other cases, high-ranking Adidas employees worked with others to pay prospective student-athletes' families to ensure the player signed with an Adidas-sponsored school and then signed with Adidas once he turned pro, the complaint alleges."
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