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Nash Vegas Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | there is a kid playing for Brooklyn tonight, stroking it from all over the court....but it will be a while before he is an UFA |
He and KAT are going to sign with Phoenix to play with their pal Booker. #BananaBoat2.0 _________________ |
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The Juggernaut Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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3pt shooting has been lacking on this team for a long time now. This is why I believe Kuzma will be starting at the 4 soon. He just gives so much more space for everyone else to operate. The only problem is rebounding will suffer with a front court of Kuz and Lopez |
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greenfrog Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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The Juggernaut wrote: | 3pt shooting has been lacking on this team for a long time now. This is why I believe Kuzma will be starting at the 4 soon. He just gives so much more space for everyone else to operate. The only problem is rebounding will suffer with a front court of Kuz and Lopez |
I'll take a shooting boost over a rebounding loss any day of the week. I've yet to see any conclusive evidence that rebounding correlates with winning or even good defense (e.g 2014 Miami Heat). |
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TooMuchMajicBuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:35 am Post subject: |
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greenfrog wrote: | The Juggernaut wrote: | 3pt shooting has been lacking on this team for a long time now. This is why I believe Kuzma will be starting at the 4 soon. He just gives so much more space for everyone else to operate. The only problem is rebounding will suffer with a front court of Kuz and Lopez |
I'll take a shooting boost over a rebounding loss any day of the week. I've yet to see any conclusive evidence that rebounding correlates with winning or even good defense (e.g 2014 Miami Heat). |
This is a reason that I think Lopez/Randle/Kuzma could work well. Randle does bang around for rebounds pretty well and he's shown himself willing to get the ball in Lonzo's hands quickly. For that matter, Lonzo's not a bad at rebounding as guards go. Odd as it sounds I think that's almost preferable to Kuzma b/c by the time the defense realizes Lonzo has possession Kuzma's already nearing the top of the key on the other side of the court, ready for that bullet pass. |
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Annihilator Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:42 am Post subject: |
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70sdude wrote: | I stumbled laughing on the "still" and "more" modifiers in the OP's topic question. Do the Lakers still need to add more three pointer shooting ? Sheet, man, they needed to add a first three point shooter to the roster months ago.
They didn't, so I'm OK with that. The goal on the season is clearly not to win a playoff berth; it's to develop the players already here and figure who works best with Ingram and Ball, then make moves so as to acquire three point shooters and play makers. I'm on board with all of that too. One step at a time. | _________________ “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
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Annihilator Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Nashlight wrote: | http://stats.nba.com/teams/traditional/?sort=FG3_PCT&dir=1
Lakers are ranked 29th among NBA teams in both 3-pointers made and 3-point percentage. Ranked 33rd counting the NBA international teams. | 24.6% shooting beyond the 3-pt line. Ouch. _________________ “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
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Laker's Fan Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:53 am Post subject: |
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I think it's more about better shooting skill rounding out the roster than needing one or two guys who are exceptional shooters (who generally either have serious deficiencies in other areas or are impossible to get).
Lonzo, Kuzma, Pope and Lopez will probably be average or better. Hart is TBD but we might expect hm to be slightly below league average as a rookie. Jordan is streaky and seems to have some Sasha in him.
In terms of 3pt shooting it has impressed me how little Randle's form has improved in three years. I hope to be proven wrong but in the games we've seen this preseason he's all over the place. He seems to be a hard worker but it makes me wonder about his focus and discipline. That is does he just work hard at things that he's comfortable with....Nance also hasn't made huge shooting strides that I've seen. They're actively shot doctoring Ingram's long ball but it's early to know how that is going.
It's the progress of these latter three that will likely determine if we reach league average in 3pt% as a team. _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night. |
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Annihilator Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:53 am Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | there is a kid playing for Brooklyn tonight, stroking it from all over the court....but it will be a while before he is an UFA |
That kid seems to be shooting at 35.3% in the preseason right now. This still doesn't make the OP's level of 40%--although 35.3% is higher than everybody on the Lakers except two players, one of whom came to the Lakers when the Brooklyn kid left. _________________ “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
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Rivershow Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:55 am Post subject: |
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AllorNothing wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Where would we get them? |
Summer league . Matt Thomas. |
Still can't believe we didn't sign him. He was our third best player after Lonzo and Kuzma. He was raining threes. |
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Staccatos Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:19 am Post subject: |
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Rivershow wrote: | AllorNothing wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Where would we get them? |
Summer league . Matt Thomas. |
Still can't believe we didn't sign him. He was our third best player after Lonzo and Kuzma. He was raining threes. |
Matt Thomas is now at 66.7% (8 for 12) 3pt shooting through 3 games in EuroLeague. |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Rivershow wrote: | AllorNothing wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Where would we get them? |
Summer league . Matt Thomas. |
Still can't believe we didn't sign him. He was our third best player after Lonzo and Kuzma. He was raining threes. |
I'd say 4th behind Blue as well. But they aren't even giving Blue a chance in pre-season. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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scoobs Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:35 am Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | Rivershow wrote: | AllorNothing wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Where would we get them? |
Summer league . Matt Thomas. |
Still can't believe we didn't sign him. He was our third best player after Lonzo and Kuzma. He was raining threes. |
I'd say 4th behind Blue as well. But they aren't even giving Blue a chance in pre-season. | I feel they envisioned Blue as kind of a replacement for Lou Williams/Jordan Clarkson as scorer off the bench. He gets to the line, but is still a mediocre shooter. I agree we should of signed Matt Thomas. Hes kind of small, but a shooter like that, we could of fit him in. I think the Lakers should explore a deal with Brooklyn. They have Joe Harris, who the Lakers i think took a look at a few years ago. Last season, he averaged 8ppg and 40% from three for the Nets. Brooklyn seems to have a few shooters on their roster already, like Dlo, Crabbe and LeVert. Maybe the Lakers could put together a trade with them. Im thinking something like Clarkson, Randle, Zubac and two 2nd round picks for Booker and Harris. |
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Fortysixn2 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:43 am Post subject: |
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We had some snipers last year....lou/swaggy...didn't make a difference. We just need the right people shooting 3's....Lopez/Kuzma shooting 6-8 a piece a game, clarkson/KCP/Lonzo a couple and that's it. Randle, Nance, Ennis, BI..need to not shoot them because they aren't good at it, JR especially. I don't know if I've ever seen an athlete that is so confident that they can do things they can't, it's admirable in a way...but he needs to stop. |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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Rivershow wrote: | AllorNothing wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Where would we get them? |
Summer league . Matt Thomas. |
Still can't believe we didn't sign him. He was our third best player after Lonzo and Kuzma. He was raining threes. |
Yeah. That was a BAD decision. |
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greenfrog Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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Can't believe I'm saying this, but can they play Deng more to improve the shooting? |
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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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Don't worry guys, we have Travis underWear locked up now. We can call him up for spot up 3's & white guy to white guy alley oops with Caruso. 😂😂😂 |
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Stumpy25 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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Laker's Fan wrote: | I think it's more about better shooting skill rounding out the roster than needing one or two guys who are exceptional shooters (who generally either have serious deficiencies in other areas or are impossible to get).
Lonzo, Kuzma, Pope and Lopez will probably be average or better. Hart is TBD but we might expect hm to be slightly below league average as a rookie. Jordan is streaky and seems to have some Sasha in him.
In terms of 3pt shooting it has impressed me how little Randle's form has improved in three years. I hope to be proven wrong but in the games we've seen this preseason he's all over the place. He seems to be a hard worker but it makes me wonder about his focus and discipline. That is does he just work hard at things that he's comfortable with....Nance also hasn't made huge shooting strides that I've seen. They're actively shot doctoring Ingram's long ball but it's early to know how that is going.
It's the progress of these latter three that will likely determine if we reach league average in 3pt% as a team. |
The reason Randle is not a better shooter is because he rushes everything. Even with free throws he literally shots the balls as it's being handed to him.
The man needs to slow down, there's no thinking in his game. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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Rivershow wrote: | AllorNothing wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Where would we get them? |
Summer league . Matt Thomas. |
Still can't believe we didn't sign him. He was our third best player after Lonzo and Kuzma. He was raining threes. |
He is a dead eye shooter....but he is not an NBA player from what I saw. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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Laker's Fan wrote: |
Lonzo, Kuzma, Pope and Lopez will probably be average or better. Hart is TBD but we might expect hm to be slightly below league average as a rookie. Jordan is streaky and seems to have some Sasha in him.
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Historically, Lopez and Pope have been below average 3-point shooters. I don't think that's going to change. Kuzma was good in summer league, but he wasn't much of a 3-point shooter in college and he's shot less than 30% in preseason, so I don't expect him to be a 3-point marksman when the games get real.
I don't think we'll have anyone near to 40%; might not even have anyone who breaks 36% which is about the league average.
Last year we were 22nd in the league in 3-pointing, and I think we'll be worse this year. |
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LakersRGolden Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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activeverb wrote: | Laker's Fan wrote: |
Lonzo, Kuzma, Pope and Lopez will probably be average or better. Hart is TBD but we might expect hm to be slightly below league average as a rookie. Jordan is streaky and seems to have some Sasha in him.
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Historically, Lopez and Pope have been below average 3-point shooters. I don't think that's going to change. Kuzma was good in summer league, but he wasn't much of a 3-point shooter in college and he's shot less than 30% in preseason, so I don't expect him to be a 3-point marksman when the games get real.
I don't think we'll have anyone near to 40%; might not even have anyone who breaks 36% which is about the league average.
Last year we were 22nd in the league in 3-pointing, and I think we'll be worse this year. |
What are we using for average 3-pt shooting? League average on attempts? Median percentage of players? A set %? |
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Nash Vegas wrote: | adkindo wrote: | there is a kid playing for Brooklyn tonight, stroking it from all over the court....but it will be a while before he is an UFA |
He and KAT are going to sign with Phoenix to play with their pal Booker. #BananaBoat2.0 |
Isnt KAT from jersey? Wouldnt it make sense for him to go to the Nets?
How ironic would it be, we dump DLO to attract players but DLO turns out to be an attraction lol _________________ Llluuukkkeee |
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:18 am Post subject: |
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greenfrog wrote: | Can't believe I'm saying this, but can they play Deng more to improve the shooting? |
Why not.
When you have Lonzo-KCP-Deng-Lopez on the floor you have good shooting.
Along with Ingram or Kuzma at SF that's a very respectable line up of shooters.
Not one of them is a automatic from 3 but they're all respectable. I'd say that's good if you ask me. |
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Ziggy Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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LakersNewEra wrote: | greenfrog wrote: | Can't believe I'm saying this, but can they play Deng more to improve the shooting? |
Why not.
When you have Lonzo-KCP-Deng-Lopez on the floor you have good shooting.
Along with Ingram or Kuzma at SF that's a very respectable line up of shooters.
Not one of them is a automatic from 3 but they're all respectable. I'd say that's good if you ask me. |
Sad that a guy who shoots 33% from 3 in his career is seen as one of our best shooters |
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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Rivershow wrote: | AllorNothing wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Where would we get them? |
Summer league . Matt Thomas. |
Still can't believe we didn't sign him. He was our third best player after Lonzo and Kuzma. He was raining threes. |
Yep very disappointed we couldn’t sign him. He was darn near automatic from 3 at SL |
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