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lakersboy
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 Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:26 pm Post subject: Do you like the Lakers small lineups? |
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When do they ever seem to have an advantage in it? What is the advantage?
They always seem to get taken advantage of on the boards and or on d. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Haha. All of our lineups currently suck. Big or small. |
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lakersboy
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| epak wrote: | | Haha. All of our lineups currently suck. Big or small. |
I'm talking about Bass, Black, Randle, or Nance. Results are predictable but they keep trying it. |
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| I don't like our options at C when we go small in addition team-wide issues like shooting. |
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| We are horrible whenever we go small at C. Consistently. Yet we keep trying it. It's preseason so it's fine. |
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Nance is clearly out matched at C. Doesn't have the muscle to compete.
Randle and Kuzma OTOH...
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| lakez34 wrote: | | We are horrible whenever we go small at C. Consistently. Yet we keep trying it. It's preseason so it's fine. |
It's cause Zubac can't defend and Lopez/Bogut aren't playing right now. Not too many options at center when your 1st and 2nd string don't play. |
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| No, its why I've been wishing for a Nerlen's type for several years now. |
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lakersboy
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | lakez34 wrote: | | We are horrible whenever we go small at C. Consistently. Yet we keep trying it. It's preseason so it's fine. |
It's cause Zubac can't defend and Lopez/Bogut aren't playing right now. Not too many options at center when your 1st and 2nd string don't play. |
With Lopez and Bogut out, Zubac needs to play. When he goes out, Bryant needs to play. There's too many bigs to play incapable guys at center. |
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| lakersboy wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | lakez34 wrote: | | We are horrible whenever we go small at C. Consistently. Yet we keep trying it. It's preseason so it's fine. |
It's cause Zubac can't defend and Lopez/Bogut aren't playing right now. Not too many options at center when your 1st and 2nd string don't play. |
With Lopez and Bogut out, Zubac needs to play. When he goes out, Bryant needs to play. There's too many bigs to play incapable guys at center. |
This. I don't want to see Nance at C unless the other team is also playing small ball. He's outmatched otherwise. |
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When your centers can’t play you have no choice
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | When your centers can’t play you have no choice |
Exactly.
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| lakez34 wrote: | | lakersboy wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | lakez34 wrote: | | We are horrible whenever we go small at C. Consistently. Yet we keep trying it. It's preseason so it's fine. |
It's cause Zubac can't defend and Lopez/Bogut aren't playing right now. Not too many options at center when your 1st and 2nd string don't play. |
With Lopez and Bogut out, Zubac needs to play. When he goes out, Bryant needs to play. There's too many bigs to play incapable guys at center. |
This. I don't want to see Nance at C unless the other team is also playing small ball. He's outmatched otherwise. |
Early game success is fools gold. Guys drop down to help defend and rebound and it looks like it can work. Soon, the ball starts swinging around the perimeter and suddenly we can't get to any shooter fast enough anymore. The 3 pt shots made as opposed to the damage of Zubac or Bryant giving up 2 inside was the difference in scoring. |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:08 am Post subject: Re: Do you like the Lakers small lineups? |
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| lakersboy wrote: | When do they ever seem to have an advantage in it? What is the advantage?
They always seem to get taken advantage of on the boards and or on d. |
No i dont like our small lineups because I hate whoever is playing center.
The person playing center in the small lineup has to take advantage of his quickness vs the other teams true Big. if that does not happen. there is no reason to go small ever. larry nance is not aggressive enough on offense to play Center in a small ball lineup. I wish luke would leave this alone. and Julius with his short arms is not there yet when it comes to scoring over size. he could get there in a year or two. but he's not that guy right now. and since he can't hit a 3 and now that we have zo. there is no reason to use Randle full time as a Draymond(facilitator from the C spot). now there are times we should allow Ju to run the show and allow zo to be off ball. thats a part of his game too. but it will never be like draymond. since draymond is probably the best passer/floor general on gstate. randle is not for the lakers. zo is that guy by far. |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:38 pm Post subject: Re: Do you like the Lakers small lineups? |
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| lakersboy wrote: | When do they ever seem to have an advantage in it? What is the advantage?
They always seem to get taken advantage of on the boards and or on d. |
Plus they can't shoot and space the floor for the guards so what's the point? You lose size and have nothing to gain from it. |
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If the Randle and Kuzma can develop some chemistry I think a combination of those two would be able to punish opposing bigs.
Having both the other teams 4/5 come out for a DHO. Either a quick open shot, a fake then drive, or a quick swing, where now there is a ton of room to attack. |
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Not at all. I don't get what we gain... they're atrocious defensively and it's not like we get any shooting since all our bigs suck at shooting regardless.
Maybe with Zo it makes more sense because having more mobile players in general will allow for a faster pace of play, though. But all of last year I hated our small ball lineups. They all were horrendous. |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | lakez34 wrote: | | We are horrible whenever we go small at C. Consistently. Yet we keep trying it. It's preseason so it's fine. |
It's cause Zubac can't defend and Lopez/Bogut aren't playing right now. Not too many options at center when your 1st and 2nd string don't play. |
Zubac can't defend? He's so far improved on PnR and walling off guards on drives already.
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Small lineups work when the skills are brought to the floor. LNJ doesn't bring 3pt range or playmaking. Perimeter defense and some interior presence when the match up fits, sure.
Kuzma and JR.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | Small lineups work when the skills are brought to the floor. LNJ doesn't bring 3pt range or playmaking. Perimeter defense and some interior presence when the match up fits, sure.
Kuzma and JR. |
Agreed. The offensive versatility from that duo would help partially offset the total lack of rim protection. |
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Back when the small ball craze first started, I thought it made sense because there seemed to be a lack of big men who played a power game. There was a surplus of wings who had guard skills and could shoot, so I thought "ok the league is adjusting to the talent pool".
However, I never really felt small ball was an option that you'd go out and intentionally seek to implement. In our case, we don't have a surplus of wings with guard skills, so I'd rather we play a more traditional lineup.
Yes, I realize Zubac and TB aren't world beaters, but neither are the smaller players in their place. I'd rather take our chances on those guys developing into difference makers at the center position. They've shown potential. I really haven't seen much potential in playing Randle/Nance at center. |
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It's not about liking them or not, it's about those lineups being tangential (a sideline) to the season's direction that's important.
The Lakers seem to have built the roster between seasons using a contra-small ball mindset. Makes me unconcerned about their having a temptation to deploy a small ball unit unless the center rotation gets terribly debilitated. Four seven foot centers and a need to build a basic defensive prowess somewhere around that rotation is the core value this year, even if it is not is the clear long term goal. |
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I like small line-ups in general, but they require having 4s who can guard at the 5 position (Draymond is the best example) and we don't have that. Randle has the strength, but is a poor help defender and doesn't anchor. Nance and Kuzma are too small physically for the 5 and don't anchor.
Eventually I'd like to see Ingram at the 4. |
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Doesn't matter. A trade will happen before the trade deadline  |
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