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epak
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| 32 wrote: | | I guess we don't have to stretch Deng if we only sign 1 max this summer. |
Yep.
The crazy thing would be if Deng became our starting PF next year. And he balls out hitting 45% from 3. |
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lakersfever714
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Draft players then trade them away when they're about to hit their prime for more draft picks then draft new players to develop again. Really nice rebuilding plan. It keeps us in this constant rebuilding mode. Lakers FO win rebuilders of the decade.
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| echobats wrote: | | 32 wrote: | Help me out. This is from the cap thread that Parsons put together. I am not good with this. Let's say we sign PG max could we resign JR and have enough cap space left for a max in 2019?
3. Stretch Deng, Do Not Renounce: JR ( renounce rest, cut Ennis )
$57 mill available
Deng 7.36
Zo 7.46
BI 5.76
Kuz 1.69
Hart 1.66
Zu 1.54
TB 1.38
JRHold 12.45
1stRd25 1.46
Inc3_850k 3.40 ( incomplete roster hold, 3 spots )
Total: 44.16
Cap: 101.00
Available: 56.84 |
I have done the math before but don't have it in front of me right now, but I believe the answer is YES.
The cap will go up by $7M if I remember correctly. The team could wait until next season to stretch Deng with would save another million plus. This should get close to the 35M max and certainly be enough for the 30M max. I think. |
Thanks. That is one possible option.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | I guess we don't have to stretch Deng if we only sign 1 max this summer. |
Yep.
The crazy thing would be if Deng became our starting PF next year. And he balls out hitting 45% from 3. |
Maybe that was the plan all along ... some crazy experimental German rehab for the past year  |
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epak
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| mookielala wrote: | | epak wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | I guess we don't have to stretch Deng if we only sign 1 max this summer. |
Yep.
The crazy thing would be if Deng became our starting PF next year. And he balls out hitting 45% from 3. |
Maybe that was the plan all along ... some crazy experimental German rehab for the past year |
Haha. Someone check Deng's passport for stamps!
The story I heard about Deng that really impressed me...
During games, he's in the training area doing a simulated game, with the TV onto the Lakers game. When the team is playing, he's running, doing slides, etc. When the team calls a timeout, he rests.
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chantruong
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Draft players then trade them away when they're about to hit their prime for more draft picks then draft new players to develop again. Really nice rebuilding plan. It keeps us in this constant rebuilding mode. Lakers FO win rebuilders of the decade. |
Orlando says hold my beer |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | ask DB if u want to be a mod and how to get there. he is v helpful. not saying omar is not but just giving my 2 cents |
I would not even allow me to become a moderator.....be like....
- what did you say about Josh Jackson? Take this 2 month suspension to reconsider your thoughts on JoJax. 
- so your glad JC is no longer a Laker? Cool, I am glad you are no longer an LG'er....LIFETIME BAN!
- if I got loose in the Political Thread....Ban, Ban, Suspension, Ban, Suspension |
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| chantruong wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Draft players then trade them away when they're about to hit their prime for more draft picks then draft new players to develop again. Really nice rebuilding plan. It keeps us in this constant rebuilding mode. Lakers FO win rebuilders of the decade. |
Orlando says hold my beer |
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epak
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| chantruong wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Draft players then trade them away when they're about to hit their prime for more draft picks then draft new players to develop again. Really nice rebuilding plan. It keeps us in this constant rebuilding mode. Lakers FO win rebuilders of the decade. |
Orlando says hold my beer |
You gotta know when to hold them. Know when to fold them.
Know when to walk away. Know when to run.
You never count your money when you're sitting at the table.
There'll be time enough for counting when the dealings done. |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | ask DB if u want to be a mod and how to get there. he is v helpful. not saying omar is not but just giving my 2 cents |
I would not even allow me to become a moderator.....be like....
- what did you say about Josh Jackson? Take this 2 month suspension to reconsider your thoughts on JoJax.
- so your glad JC is no longer a Laker? Cool, I am glad you are no longer an LG'er....LIFETIME BAN!
- if I got loose in the Political Thread....Ban, Ban, Suspension, Ban, Suspension |
I am on LG 24/7 but i have no interest in being a mod. |
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| epak wrote: | | chantruong wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Draft players then trade them away when they're about to hit their prime for more draft picks then draft new players to develop again. Really nice rebuilding plan. It keeps us in this constant rebuilding mode. Lakers FO win rebuilders of the decade. |
Orlando says hold my beer |
You gotta know when to hold them. Know when to fold them.
Know when to walk away. Know when to run.
You never count your money when you're sitting at the table.
There'll be time enough for counting when the dealings done. |
and the truth that we will never know is if players like Oladipo, Tobias Harris and now Elfrid would have had similar success in Orlando. |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Draft players then trade them away when they're about to hit their prime for more draft picks then draft new players to develop again. Really nice rebuilding plan. It keeps us in this constant rebuilding mode. Lakers FO win rebuilders of the decade. |
I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this. |
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chantruong
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| epak wrote: | | chantruong wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Draft players then trade them away when they're about to hit their prime for more draft picks then draft new players to develop again. Really nice rebuilding plan. It keeps us in this constant rebuilding mode. Lakers FO win rebuilders of the decade. |
Orlando says hold my beer |
You gotta know when to hold them. Know when to fold them.
Know when to walk away. Know when to run.
You never count your money when you're sitting at the table.
There'll be time enough for counting when the dealings done. |
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GT be like "you can't suspend me, I am a moderator".....and I continue to push the suspension button. (jk GT) |
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Sign PG. Let Randle walk. Consider bringing back these players (IT, Brook, KCP,). Save enough cap space for 1 max in 2019.
Lonzo/IT
PG/Hart
BI/
Kuzma/Deng
Brook/Bryant/Zu
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| 32 wrote: | Help me out. This is from the cap thread that Parsons put together. I am not good with this. Let's say we sign PG max could we resign JR and have enough cap space left for a max in 2019?
3. Stretch Deng, Do Not Renounce: JR ( renounce rest, cut Ennis )
$57 mill available
Deng 7.36
Zo 7.46
BI 5.76
Kuz 1.69
Hart 1.66
Zu 1.54
TB 1.38
JRHold 12.45
1stRd25 1.46
Inc3_850k 3.40 ( incomplete roster hold, 3 spots )
Total: 44.16
Cap: 101.00
Available: 56.84 |
The answer is, probably not.
In your scenario here is how our 2019 off-season salary looks:
Salary Cap: $108,000,000
7-10 Year Max Free Agent: $32,400,000
Paul George: $31,815,000
Lonzo Ball: $8,719,320
Luol Deng (Stretched): $7,362,000
Brandon Ingram: $7,265,485
2018 1st Round Pick (25th): $2,045,880
Kyle Kuzma: $1,974,600
Josh Hart: $1,934,160
Thomas Bryant Cap Hold: $1,803,638
Minimum Cap Hold: $888,927
Minimum Cap Hold: $888,927
Minimum Cap Hold: $888,927
Total: $97,986,864
Remainder: $10,013,136
That remainder is what Julius Randle's contract needs to fit into to have the necessary space. It's a bit of a stretch given his production but it's possible he might take a discount to stay with the team that drafted him or Pelinka could possibly structure the contract in such a way that year 2 would see a decline the same way Kupchak did with Jordan Clarkson.
I certainly see Dallas tendering Randle a bigger offer sheet than that though. There is also the issue of our own 2019 1st round pick that will come with a cap hold as well around the range of $2-$3 million pushing our space even tighter.
A good idea would be to not stretch Deng this upcoming off-season and either:
1. Negotiate a buyout this summer that would save around $3-$4 million in cap space after stretching the remaining salary due.
2. Hold onto Deng and stretch him in the 2019 off-season instead saving $1,362,000 in cap space.
3. Hold onto Deng and try to utilize our 2019 draft pick to trade him next season. |
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| Any interest in Noah Vonleh as a reclamation project? |
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PHILosophize
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Any interest in Noah Vonleh as a reclamation project? |
literally anyone than Ennis so sure 
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| ToastedMuffins wrote: | | 32 wrote: | Help me out. This is from the cap thread that Parsons put together. I am not good with this. Let's say we sign PG max could we resign JR and have enough cap space left for a max in 2019?
3. Stretch Deng, Do Not Renounce: JR ( renounce rest, cut Ennis )
$57 mill available
Deng 7.36
Zo 7.46
BI 5.76
Kuz 1.69
Hart 1.66
Zu 1.54
TB 1.38
JRHold 12.45
1stRd25 1.46
Inc3_850k 3.40 ( incomplete roster hold, 3 spots )
Total: 44.16
Cap: 101.00
Available: 56.84 |
The answer is, probably not.
In your scenario here is how our 2019 off-season salary looks:
Salary Cap: $108,000,000
7-10 Year Max Free Agent: $32,400,000
Paul George: $31,815,000
Lonzo Ball: $8,719,320
Luol Deng (Stretched): $7,362,000
Brandon Ingram: $7,265,485
2018 1st Round Pick (25th): $2,045,880
Kyle Kuzma: $1,974,600
Josh Hart: $1,934,160
Thomas Bryant Cap Hold: $1,803,638
Minimum Cap Hold: $888,927
Minimum Cap Hold: $888,927
Minimum Cap Hold: $888,927
Total: $97,986,864
Remainder: $10,013,136
That remainder is what Julius Randle's contract needs to fit into to have the necessary space. It's a bit of a stretch given his production but it's possible he might take a discount to stay with the team that drafted him or Pelinka could possibly structure the contract in such a way that year 2 would see a decline the same way Kupchak did with Jordan Clarkson.
I certainly see Dallas tendering Randle a bigger offer sheet than that though. There is also the issue of our own 2019 1st round pick that will come with a cap hold as well around the range of $2-$3 million pushing our space even tighter.
A good idea would be to not stretch Deng this upcoming off-season and either:
1. Negotiate a buyout this summer that would save around $3-$4 million in cap space after stretching the remaining salary due.
2. Hold onto Deng and stretch him in the 2019 off-season instead saving $1,362,000 in cap space.
3. Hold onto Deng and try to utilize our 2019 draft pick to trade him next season. |
Thanks.
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Any interest in Noah Vonleh as a reclamation project? |
literally anyone than Ennis so sure |
I'll take that as LG consensus! |
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If we magically get PG13 but no other max FA, IMO, that's the end of the max FA dream. Any other max level FA would be obtained via trade (i.e. Klay/Kawai).
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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If Kawai opts out he will be UFA right? Klay will an RFA.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | mookielala wrote: | | epak wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | I guess we don't have to stretch Deng if we only sign 1 max this summer. |
Yep.
The crazy thing would be if Deng became our starting PF next year. And he balls out hitting 45% from 3. |
Maybe that was the plan all along ... some crazy experimental German rehab for the past year |
Haha. Someone check Deng's passport for stamps!
The story I heard about Deng that really impressed me...
During games, he's in the training area doing a simulated game, with the TV onto the Lakers game. When the team is playing, he's running, doing slides, etc. When the team calls a timeout, he rests.
Professional. |
I can't understand why hes not on the bench with the team playing these games? If he's under contract why don't we have him play??? |
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Yinoma did you read that article by Larry Coon. He seemed to think it is almost impossible to sign PG and LBJ and our FO knows it.
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