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| TheeChosenLonzo wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | davidse wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | If you trade say Jules (Dallas kid) for Noel (assuming Lakers are not keeping Jules), few questions:
1. do we get his Bird rights (assuming this is different than when a team turns down a team option on rookie deal, which this was not, right?)?
2. IIRC, his cap hold is something like 8m or so? Would that interfere with the 2 max plan?
If so, and the Lakers like him, I guess if we could carve out enough cap space, you could theoretically have PG/LBJ (assuming Deng/JC out), sign Noel over the cap? |
1. yes.
2. yes - 8 mil. |
Hmm. If so, and if the Lakers are passing on Jules, I don't see why both teams swap and see if a change of scenery would help. Plus isn't Jules from Dallas so wouldn't he be ok with it? |
It definitely makes sense, but who’s the better Center next to Ball, James, and George, Ingram, and Kuzma?
I think I’d rather have Randle, even with the extra 4 million caphold.
His mix of speed, girth, strength, and quickness at Center are assets that are more valuable than the things Noel can offer.
It’s defin not a no-brainer though. Good stuff. |
randle plays good against backup C's and gets abused by starting center's.
i prefer to have Noel and his defense. |
I agree, also Noel is a Rich Paul client right? The more we associate his name with us, the more likely he can get LeBron to LA under his own interests. |
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why do people want Noel so bad?
He can't even crack the rotation in Dallas.
Boogie should be target A...
If we had a C who could give us 28/12/4/1, it'd give Kuz and BI far more room to work wit. It would give Lozno the ideal target and would help his game tremendously. |
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| 2019 wrote: | why do people want Noel so bad?
He can't even crack the rotation in Dallas.
Boogie should be target A...
If we had a C who could give us 28/12/4/1, it'd give Kuz and BI far more room to work wit. It would give Lozno the ideal target and would help his game tremendously. |
i want PG13 and Cousins both. Lebron is going to Philly. |
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Inspector Gadget
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| 2019 wrote: | why do people want Noel so bad?
He can't even crack the rotation in Dallas.
Boogie should be target A...
If we had a C who could give us 28/12/4/1, it'd give Kuz and BI far more room to work wit. It would give Lozno the ideal target and would help his game tremendously. |
If it was that easy, we would be talking about it, there is no guarantee that he’s gonna sign with us, at least Noel is a Rich Paul client, to make the LeBron dream a little realistic. |
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| 2019 wrote: | why do people want Noel so bad?
He can't even crack the rotation in Dallas.
Boogie should be target A...
If we had a C who could give us 28/12/4/1, it'd give Kuz and BI far more room to work wit. It would give Lozno the ideal target and would help his game tremendously. |
If the Lakers are moving on from Jules, why not take a flyer on Noel who offers a different look at center (and a lower cap hold than Jules).
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| The players I offer a max contract to first are DMC, PG13, LBJ and CP3 in that order |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | davidse wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | If you trade say Jules (Dallas kid) for Noel (assuming Lakers are not keeping Jules), few questions:
1. do we get his Bird rights (assuming this is different than when a team turns down a team option on rookie deal, which this was not, right?)?
2. IIRC, his cap hold is something like 8m or so? Would that interfere with the 2 max plan?
If so, and the Lakers like him, I guess if we could carve out enough cap space, you could theoretically have PG/LBJ (assuming Deng/JC out), sign Noel over the cap? |
1. yes.
2. yes - 8 mil. |
Hmm. If so, and if the Lakers are passing on Jules, I don't see why both teams swap and see if a change of scenery would help. Plus isn't Jules from Dallas so wouldn't he be ok with it? |
It definitely makes sense, but who’s the better Center next to Ball, James, and George, Ingram, and Kuzma?
I think I’d rather have Randle, even with the extra 4 million caphold.
His mix of speed, girth, strength, and quickness at Center are assets that are more valuable than the things Noel can offer.
It’s defin not a no-brainer though. Good stuff. |
The big issue, is that it seems like the lakers are ready to move on from Randle, so it’s no coincidence that Woj reported the news the same time Ramona Shelburne said the Lakers were trying to find a taker for Deng, it’s easy to say that the Lakers likely don’t mind getting rid of him in a Deng deal to open up cap space. |
How does it seem that the Lakers are ready to move on from Randle?
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I suppose Noel is the better overall defender, but by how much?
Is that difference enough to make up for Randle’s advantages in scoring, rebounding, and strength?
I mean, isn’t Noel a complete liability on offense?
I like Noel, but I think I like Randle even more.
Like I said though, it’s close. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | davidse wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | If you trade say Jules (Dallas kid) for Noel (assuming Lakers are not keeping Jules), few questions:
1. do we get his Bird rights (assuming this is different than when a team turns down a team option on rookie deal, which this was not, right?)?
2. IIRC, his cap hold is something like 8m or so? Would that interfere with the 2 max plan?
If so, and the Lakers like him, I guess if we could carve out enough cap space, you could theoretically have PG/LBJ (assuming Deng/JC out), sign Noel over the cap? |
1. yes.
2. yes - 8 mil. |
Hmm. If so, and if the Lakers are passing on Jules, I don't see why both teams swap and see if a change of scenery would help. Plus isn't Jules from Dallas so wouldn't he be ok with it? |
It definitely makes sense, but who’s the better Center next to Ball, James, and George, Ingram, and Kuzma?
I think I’d rather have Randle, even with the extra 4 million caphold.
His mix of speed, girth, strength, and quickness at Center are assets that are more valuable than the things Noel can offer.
It’s defin not a no-brainer though. Good stuff. |
The big issue, is that it seems like the lakers are ready to move on from Randle, so it’s no coincidence that Woj reported the news the same time Ramona Shelburne said the Lakers were trying to find a taker for Deng, it’s easy to say that the Lakers likely don’t mind getting rid of him in a Deng deal to open up cap space. |
How does it seem that the Lakers are ready to move on from Randle? |
https://sports.yahoo.com/adrian-wojnarowski-julius-randle-very-150001542.html
It’s obvious that Randle is a likely candidate to get moved, the Lakers also probably prefer to convince Lopez to stay as oppose to Randle, when you want the max dream to work, a quality piece needs to always go, Houston did the same thing with Lin when they wanted to sign Bosh, it’s obvious that Randle isn’t gonna be with this team moving forward even if he has all star potential. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | why do people want Noel so bad?
He can't even crack the rotation in Dallas.
Boogie should be target A...
If we had a C who could give us 28/12/4/1, it'd give Kuz and BI far more room to work wit. It would give Lozno the ideal target and would help his game tremendously. |
If the Lakers are moving on from Jules, why not take a flyer on Noel who offers a different look at center (and a lower cap hold than Jules). |
Is this work?
Trade Randle for Noel
Trade Clarkson for expiring
Extend Deng then strech him ala Pincus plan.
Sign Lebron and PG, resign Noel. |
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If we cant get LeBron next year then..
- Randle, Deng, Zubac, 1st Round pick for salary relief.
- Trade Brook and KCP for anything you can get, even a 2nd round pick.
- Max Boogie and PG.
- Keep Clarkson
- We'd have like 4-6m left in cap space plus the exception which is like 3-5m i think?
Sign Bellinelli and bring Nick Young back.
BALL / CLARKSON
GEORGE / YOUNG / HART
INGRAM / BELLINELLI
KUZMA / NANCE
BOOGIE / BOGUT / BRYANT
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| iimarshon wrote: | If we cant get LeBron next year then..
- Randle, Deng, Zubac, 1st Round pick for salary relief.
- Trade Brook and KCP for anything you can get, even a 2nd round pick.
- Max Boogie and PG.
- Keep Clarkson
- We'd have like 4-6m left in cap space plus the exception which is like 3-5m i think?
Sign Bellinelli and bring Nick Young back.
BALL / CLARKSON
GEORGE / YOUNG / HART
INGRAM / BELLINELLI
KUZMA / NANCE
BOOGIE / BOGUT / BRYANT |
Yeah, but then again they still might move Clarkson too for a piece that fits better. |
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| 2019 wrote: | why do people want Noel so bad?
He can't even crack the rotation in Dallas.
Boogie should be target A...
If we had a C who could give us 28/12/4/1, it'd give Kuz and BI far more room to work wit. It would give Lozno the ideal target and would help his game tremendously. |
Noel is the flavor of the day. Of course Cousins should be the priority.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | why do people want Noel so bad?
He can't even crack the rotation in Dallas.
Boogie should be target A...
If we had a C who could give us 28/12/4/1, it'd give Kuz and BI far more room to work wit. It would give Lozno the ideal target and would help his game tremendously. |
Noel is the flavor of the day. Of course Cousins should be the priority. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | why do people want Noel so bad?
He can't even crack the rotation in Dallas.
Boogie should be target A...
If we had a C who could give us 28/12/4/1, it'd give Kuz and BI far more room to work wit. It would give Lozno the ideal target and would help his game tremendously. |
Noel is the flavor of the day. Of course Cousins should be the priority. |
VLF, pay me.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | why do people want Noel so bad?
He can't even crack the rotation in Dallas.
Boogie should be target A...
If we had a C who could give us 28/12/4/1, it'd give Kuz and BI far more room to work wit. It would give Lozno the ideal target and would help his game tremendously. |
Noel is the flavor of the day. Of course Cousins should be the priority. |
I agree. |
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| Lakesh0wtime wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | why do people want Noel so bad?
He can't even crack the rotation in Dallas.
Boogie should be target A...
If we had a C who could give us 28/12/4/1, it'd give Kuz and BI far more room to work wit. It would give Lozno the ideal target and would help his game tremendously. |
Noel is the flavor of the day. Of course Cousins should be the priority. |
I agree. |
Noel only works b/c of his lower cap hold. If the priority is LBJ/PG13, he can actually squeeze in with a lower cap hold.
Wonder why some people get so upset just discussing possibilities.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | why do people want Noel so bad?
He can't even crack the rotation in Dallas.
Boogie should be target A...
If we had a C who could give us 28/12/4/1, it'd give Kuz and BI far more room to work wit. It would give Lozno the ideal target and would help his game tremendously. |
Noel is the flavor of the day. Of course Cousins should be the priority. |
VLF, pay me. |
You know he is first on my wish list now. I was very impressed with his offseason.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | why do people want Noel so bad?
He can't even crack the rotation in Dallas.
Boogie should be target A...
If we had a C who could give us 28/12/4/1, it'd give Kuz and BI far more room to work wit. It would give Lozno the ideal target and would help his game tremendously. |
Noel is the flavor of the day. Of course Cousins should be the priority. |
VLF, pay me. |
You know he is first on my wish list now. I was very impressed with his offseason. |
Boogie is #1 on your list?
Didn't you spend the past 2-3 years talking about how much of a cancer he was and how we needed to avoid him? 
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | why do people want Noel so bad?
He can't even crack the rotation in Dallas.
Boogie should be target A...
If we had a C who could give us 28/12/4/1, it'd give Kuz and BI far more room to work wit. It would give Lozno the ideal target and would help his game tremendously. |
Noel is the flavor of the day. Of course Cousins should be the priority. |
VLF, pay me. |
You know he is first on my wish list now. I was very impressed with his offseason. |
Boogie is #1 on your list?
Didn't you spend the past 2-3 years talking about how much of a cancer he was and how we needed to avoid him? |
We all did I mean useless he matured there's really no point to go after him. |
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Porzingis, KAT, Embiid, Anthony Davis. Young skilled bigs that can force a double team.
I'd welcome Cousins with open arms. The bigs are coming. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | why do people want Noel so bad?
He can't even crack the rotation in Dallas.
Boogie should be target A...
If we had a C who could give us 28/12/4/1, it'd give Kuz and BI far more room to work wit. It would give Lozno the ideal target and would help his game tremendously. |
Noel is the flavor of the day. Of course Cousins should be the priority. |
VLF, pay me. |
You know he is first on my wish list now. I was very impressed with his offseason. |
Boogie is #1 on your list?
Didn't you spend the past 2-3 years talking about how much of a cancer he was and how we needed to avoid him? |
thats why never take that dude seriously. nothing he says makes sense, ever |
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| TheeChosenLonzo wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | why do people want Noel so bad?
He can't even crack the rotation in Dallas.
Boogie should be target A...
If we had a C who could give us 28/12/4/1, it'd give Kuz and BI far more room to work wit. It would give Lozno the ideal target and would help his game tremendously. |
i want PG13 and Cousins both. Lebron is going to Philly. |
I would bet A G Lebron doesn't got to Philly. |
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If Lebron thinks that he has a good shot of buying the Cavs from Gilbert post retirement then I doubt he goes anywhere. He will need that goodwill with the fans.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | If Lebron thinks that he has a good shot of buying the Cavs from Gilbert post retirement then I doubt he goes anywhere. He will need that goodwill with the fans. |
That necessarily doesn’t mean he’s for sure gonna stay, Bulls probably won’t ever have as good of a player as Jordan and he didn’t buy the Bulls, the same goes for Kobe and other top tier players, just because he knows Ohio doesn’t mean he’s gonna be associated with the Cavs, in fact I would guess he rather do his business in LA then a dumpster fire place like Cleveland. |
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