OFFICIAL 2018 FREE AGENCY THREAD (7/24 Update: LAL Has Full 15 Man Roster; p.1 - Remaining FAs, Notable Expiring Contracts & Lakers' 2019 Cap)
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 1290, 1291, 1292 ... 2678, 2679, 2680  Next
 
This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics.    LakersGround.net Forum Index -> Topic HOF This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Sentient Meat
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 04 Jul 2014
Posts: 12978

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:23 am    Post subject:

Wino wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
Wino wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
If you are playing better than both guards on your team, I think it is natural to want to start. I'm pretty sure most of his career, IT has played behind guards who were worse than him, but because he's short he's had to take a back seat.

Season 1
Tyreke and John Salmons (began as bench and played himself to starter)

Anyone argue that John Salmons is better than IT?

Season 2
Tyreke and IT

Season 3

Got benched behind Greivis Vasquez and Ben McLemore

What's better about Greivis Vasquez? Nothing, except he's tall.

Any wonder why he'd want to leave Sacramento? I'd be pretty bitter if I were IT too.

Season 4 (Phoenix)

Had to play behind Dragic and Bledsoe. At least these are both decent players... but none have had the season IT had in Boston.

Season 5 (Boston)
Had to play behind Avery Bradley and Marcus Smart
Eventually worked his way into position as a starter.

Season 6 (Boston)

Has all star/MVP quality season averaging 29 points a game.

Season 7 (Cleveland)

Due to hip injury aggravated by playing through pain in the playoffs... he is unable to play. Plays poorly during 15 game spell... traded to Lakers

Season 7 (Lakers)

Agrees to play behind KCP and Josh Hart (rookie)

Finally starts when Hart and Kuzma are injured and KCP is moved to small forward.

The poor man has been pushed behind John Salmons, Greivis Vasquez, and Marcus Smart... also Bledsoe who you can at least understand but I still think IT is better than him. And some of you call him a cancer because he wants to start?

Every place he's ever played at except a bad Sacramento team... he's had to start from scratch... play on the bench behind inferior players... patiently outplay the starter and regain his position.

And for no other reason than because he's short.

If we don't resign him and sign the journeyman trash I see listed above, we deserve the karma we get for letting prejudice get in the way.

Every other GM has done it so far... why should some of you be any different?


Look man, say what you want but in the end, if you can't play defense, you aren't starting for a a championship team. As good as he is, and he does have skills, he also has deficiencies.


I've suggested him in a three man platoon with Lonzo and Hart where you'd play him when you needed offense and you'd play Lonzo and Hart when you were protecting a lead down the stretch.

This is also my plan B if and only if we don't sign LBJ and PG13

Lonzo isn't quite ready yet either physically or mentally to deal with a serious playoff challenge, so IT would provide a good backup in case he got hurt or went into a bad slump.

IT may not want to accept anything less than guaranteed starter... if so, we part ways... he might not accept anything less than a long term contract... if so, we also part ways. But if he's willing to accept a more modest role to play for a future contender... then we should sign him.

But only if the PG/LBJ dream falls through.


Well, I agree that he could be a valuable part of this team if he can accept coming off the bench. He is capable of providing a spark on offense. And signing him and even Lopez to expensive one year deals, should we be unable to land two FA's this off season, would be fine. Apparently we have to spend that money anyhow. It might entice them enough to stick around one more year. Although I suspect if we do sign Lebron, that he might not want IT around and he will be let go.


If we sign LeBron, we no longer need IT... so that question becomes moot.

Although I have a feeling the bad blood is overblown, and if it was in LBJ's best interest he would still happily play with IT if he felt it would help him win.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
ahaider
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 21 Feb 2012
Posts: 3501

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:32 am    Post subject:

I don't see Lebron or PG-13 resolving the issues that we lose with IT.

IT is a great shooter, he can run the pick and roll. He's an elite backup PG and we will certainly need a PG who can run the pick and roll and shoot (mid & 3) as a backup.

It cannot be Caruso or Ennis
_________________
Author of James Harden and the Strip Club


"The key to good decision making is not knowledge. It is understanding. We are swimming in the former. We are desperately lacking in the latter." - Malcom Gladwell
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
venturalakersfan
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 14 Apr 2001
Posts: 144432
Location: The Gold Coast

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:33 am    Post subject:

ahaider wrote:
I don't see Lebron or PG-13 resolving the issues that we lose with IT.

IT is a great shooter, he can run the pick and roll. He's an elite backup PG and we will certainly need a PG who can run the pick and roll and shoot (mid & 3) as a backup.

It cannot be Caruso or Ennis


Those aren’t our only options, just the options that the FO chose.
_________________
RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
yinoma2001
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 119487

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:34 am    Post subject:

ahaider wrote:
I don't see Lebron or PG-13 resolving the issues that we lose with IT.

IT is a great shooter, he can run the pick and roll. He's an elite backup PG and we will certainly need a PG who can run the pick and roll and shoot (mid & 3) as a backup.

It cannot be Caruso or Ennis


It's not a zero sum issue. You lose that with IT, but you gain fricking LBJ/PG13! So many positives from getting two stars with versatile and elite traits.
_________________
From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
32
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 04 Nov 2009
Posts: 73040

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:34 am    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
32 wrote:
So how was Jim fired?


I can't give you the exact mechanism, but i do know fairly certainly that a majority of the siblings approved.


Thanks Omar.
_________________
Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
watchME
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 06 May 2011
Posts: 3384

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:37 am    Post subject:

if we have lbj and pg13 would u trade randle + ball for davis?


G.Hart
SG.PG13
SF.Ingram
PF.Lebron
C.Davis

GSW would have nothing on that team.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
yinoma2001
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 119487

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:38 am    Post subject:

watchME wrote:
if we have lbj and pg13 would u trade randle + ball for davis?


G.Hart
SG.PG13
SF.Ingram
PF.Lebron
C.Davis

GSW would have nothing on that team.


Jules/Lonzo aren't getting you Davis.
_________________
From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
venturalakersfan
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 14 Apr 2001
Posts: 144432
Location: The Gold Coast

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:53 am    Post subject:

watchME wrote:
if we have lbj and pg13 would u trade randle + ball for davis?


G.Hart
SG.PG13
SF.Ingram
PF.Lebron
C.Davis

GSW would have nothing on that team.


NO isn’t doing that.

And since Jim brought it up a couple of days ago, the Pelicans are now the second NBA franchise with a female majority owner.
_________________
RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.


Last edited by venturalakersfan on Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:55 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Inspector Gadget
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 18 Apr 2016
Posts: 46492

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:54 am    Post subject:

watchME wrote:
if we have lbj and pg13 would u trade randle + ball for davis?


G.Hart
SG.PG13
SF.Ingram
PF.Lebron
C.Davis

GSW would have nothing on that team.


If we wanted a 3rd star the likely target would be Kwahi Leonard
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Inspector Gadget
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 18 Apr 2016
Posts: 46492

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:05 am    Post subject:

Don’t be surprised if the Clippers pursue IT in FA.. Clippers might be crazy enough to pay IT good money if Jerry can’t get Paul George or LeBron... DJ is done as a Clipper after this year, so there gonna want some sort of star on there team.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Sentient Meat
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 04 Jul 2014
Posts: 12978

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:23 am    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Don’t be surprised if the Clippers pursue IT in FA.. Clippers might be crazy enough to pay IT good money if Jerry can’t get Paul George or LeBron... DJ is done as a Clipper after this year, so there gonna want some sort of star on there team.


It's not crazy if you don't sign PG or LeBron... Don't come crying to me if IT, Lou and Tobias Harris are dropping bombs on us next season. That's some potent firepower.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
yinoma2001
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 119487

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:26 am    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Don’t be surprised if the Clippers pursue IT in FA.. Clippers might be crazy enough to pay IT good money if Jerry can’t get Paul George or LeBron... DJ is done as a Clipper after this year, so there gonna want some sort of star on there team.


It's not crazy if you don't sign PG or LeBron... Don't come crying to me if IT, Lou and Tobias Harris are dropping bombs on us next season. That's some potent firepower.


Yes. With 0 defense.
_________________
From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
ToastedMuffins
Starting Rotation
Starting Rotation


Joined: 14 Apr 2016
Posts: 589

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:37 am    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Don’t be surprised if the Clippers pursue IT in FA.. Clippers might be crazy enough to pay IT good money if Jerry can’t get Paul George or LeBron... DJ is done as a Clipper after this year, so there gonna want some sort of star on there team.


Where's DJ going to go? Is he going to try a mulligan with the Mavs?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Sentient Meat
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 04 Jul 2014
Posts: 12978

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:39 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Don’t be surprised if the Clippers pursue IT in FA.. Clippers might be crazy enough to pay IT good money if Jerry can’t get Paul George or LeBron... DJ is done as a Clipper after this year, so there gonna want some sort of star on there team.


It's not crazy if you don't sign PG or LeBron... Don't come crying to me if IT, Lou and Tobias Harris are dropping bombs on us next season. That's some potent firepower.


Yes. With 0 defense.


If we sign both the FAs... we will be fine. If we don't and we treat IT like an after thought we may suffer at least into 2019.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
yinoma2001
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 119487

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:42 am    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Don’t be surprised if the Clippers pursue IT in FA.. Clippers might be crazy enough to pay IT good money if Jerry can’t get Paul George or LeBron... DJ is done as a Clipper after this year, so there gonna want some sort of star on there team.


It's not crazy if you don't sign PG or LeBron... Don't come crying to me if IT, Lou and Tobias Harris are dropping bombs on us next season. That's some potent firepower.


Yes. With 0 defense.


If we sign both the FAs... we will be fine. If we don't and we treat IT like an after thought we may suffer at least into 2019.


Eh. Pelinka has earned my trust that he would (assuming no max FAs): 1) field a competitive team for 2018-19 that would compete for the playoffs; 2) still maintain cap flexibility going forward.
_________________
From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Roon
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 29 Sep 2012
Posts: 1816

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:42 am    Post subject:

ahaider wrote:
I don't see Lebron or PG-13 resolving the issues that we lose with IT.

IT is a great shooter, he can run the pick and roll. He's an elite backup PG and we will certainly need a PG who can run the pick and roll and shoot (mid & 3) as a backup.

It cannot be Caruso or Ennis


Lebron is 90th percetile as the ball hanlder in PNR. Shooting 38% from 3, and 44% from midrange. I don't know what a solid midrange number is.

I think we'd be okay if he replaced IT.

I'd like to see a Lebron/Randle PNR. I think that would be fun.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Roon
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 29 Sep 2012
Posts: 1816

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:45 am    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Don’t be surprised if the Clippers pursue IT in FA.. Clippers might be crazy enough to pay IT good money if Jerry can’t get Paul George or LeBron... DJ is done as a Clipper after this year, so there gonna want some sort of star on there team.


It's not crazy if you don't sign PG or LeBron... Don't come crying to me if IT, Lou and Tobias Harris are dropping bombs on us next season. That's some potent firepower.


Yes. With 0 defense.


If we sign both the FAs... we will be fine. If we don't and we treat IT like an after thought we may suffer at least into 2019.


Regardless of who we sign in the offseason, we're set to have an above average defense next season. Ball/Hart/Ingram/Randle/Lopez are a good defense this year, and will be better next year. George/James(when he's trying) will only help.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Sentient Meat
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 04 Jul 2014
Posts: 12978

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:49 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Don’t be surprised if the Clippers pursue IT in FA.. Clippers might be crazy enough to pay IT good money if Jerry can’t get Paul George or LeBron... DJ is done as a Clipper after this year, so there gonna want some sort of star on there team.


It's not crazy if you don't sign PG or LeBron... Don't come crying to me if IT, Lou and Tobias Harris are dropping bombs on us next season. That's some potent firepower.


Yes. With 0 defense.


If we sign both the FAs... we will be fine. If we don't and we treat IT like an after thought we may suffer at least into 2019.


Eh. Pelinka has earned my trust that he would (assuming no max FAs): 1) field a competitive team for 2018-19 that would compete for the playoffs; 2) still maintain cap flexibility going forward.


Competitive in the current league requires good 3 point shooting and solid contributions from the point guard position. I'm not saying it can't be found elsewhere but we already have a lot of long bodies who can play defense... what we don't have is reliable cover for Zo if he gets either injured nor great 3 point shooters that have proven themselves over a long period of time.

I will be very disappointed if we don't sign the two elites and we let IT go to the Clippers of all people.


Last edited by Sentient Meat on Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:57 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
yinoma2001
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 119487

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:51 am    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Don’t be surprised if the Clippers pursue IT in FA.. Clippers might be crazy enough to pay IT good money if Jerry can’t get Paul George or LeBron... DJ is done as a Clipper after this year, so there gonna want some sort of star on there team.


It's not crazy if you don't sign PG or LeBron... Don't come crying to me if IT, Lou and Tobias Harris are dropping bombs on us next season. That's some potent firepower.


Yes. With 0 defense.


If we sign both the FAs... we will be fine. If we don't and we treat IT like an after thought we may suffer at least into 2019.


Eh. Pelinka has earned my trust that he would (assuming no max FAs): 1) field a competitive team for 2018-19 that would compete for the playoffs; 2) still maintain cap flexibility going forward.


Competitive in the current league requires good 3 point shooting and solid contributions from the point guard position. I'm not saying it can't be found elsewhere but we already have a lot of long bodies who can play defense... what we don't have is reliable cover for Zo if he gets either injured or in a shooting nor great 3 point shooters that have proven themselves over a long period of time.

I will be very disappointed if we don't sign the two elites and we let IT go to the Clippers of all people.


Honestly doesn't bother me at all, b/c he's already shown by his "not a 6th man" comment that he's unlikely to return here anyways. I'm actually glad he came out and said that so at least folks are transparent about intentions and such. However, not sure it was wise to do so publicly but at least for the fanbase, now we know (if you haven't already).
_________________
From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Inspector Gadget
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 18 Apr 2016
Posts: 46492

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:54 am    Post subject:

So I read a interesting scenario on another forum...

What if LeBron commits to the Lakers but Paul George decides to stay in OKC what are some possible options after that?

Trade for Leonard?
Trade for Walker?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Sentient Meat
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 04 Jul 2014
Posts: 12978

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:55 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Don’t be surprised if the Clippers pursue IT in FA.. Clippers might be crazy enough to pay IT good money if Jerry can’t get Paul George or LeBron... DJ is done as a Clipper after this year, so there gonna want some sort of star on there team.


It's not crazy if you don't sign PG or LeBron... Don't come crying to me if IT, Lou and Tobias Harris are dropping bombs on us next season. That's some potent firepower.


Yes. With 0 defense.


If we sign both the FAs... we will be fine. If we don't and we treat IT like an after thought we may suffer at least into 2019.


Eh. Pelinka has earned my trust that he would (assuming no max FAs): 1) field a competitive team for 2018-19 that would compete for the playoffs; 2) still maintain cap flexibility going forward.


Competitive in the current league requires good 3 point shooting and solid contributions from the point guard position. I'm not saying it can't be found elsewhere but we already have a lot of long bodies who can play defense... what we don't have is reliable cover for Zo if he gets either injured or in a shooting nor great 3 point shooters that have proven themselves over a long period of time.

I will be very disappointed if we don't sign the two elites and we let IT go to the Clippers of all people.


Honestly doesn't bother me at all, b/c he's already shown by his "not a 6th man" comment that he's unlikely to return here anyways. I'm actually glad he came out and said that so at least folks are transparent about intentions and such. However, not sure it was wise to do so publicly but at least for the fanbase, now we know (if you haven't already).


I already said in an earlier post that IT is only keeping it real and saying what all competitors think in their minds publicly. Do you really want floating players with Sacre's mentality who are just happy to be on the bench?

Any player worth their salt wants to start. Julius was pissed when he was benched... he just looked annoyed and didn't say it out loud.

I have no problem with IT wanting to start as long as he doesn't actively sabotage the team, which so far it seems like he hasn't
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Inspector Gadget
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 18 Apr 2016
Posts: 46492

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:57 am    Post subject:

ToastedMuffins wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Don’t be surprised if the Clippers pursue IT in FA.. Clippers might be crazy enough to pay IT good money if Jerry can’t get Paul George or LeBron... DJ is done as a Clipper after this year, so there gonna want some sort of star on there team.


Where's DJ going to go? Is he going to try a mulligan with the Mavs?


Sacramento should try getting DJ
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
yinoma2001
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 119487

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:58 am    Post subject:

Quote:
I already said in an earlier post that IT is only keeping it real and saying what all competitors think in their minds publicly. Do you really want floating players with Sacre's mentality who are just happy to be on the bench?

Any player worth their salt wants to start. Julius was pissed when he was benched... he just looked annoyed and didn't say it out loud.

I have no problem with IT wanting to start as long as he doesn't actively sabotage the team, which so far it seems like he hasn't


It's pretty self-defeating to say that you're preemptively not happy about the only role that would be available for you on the Lakers. It reveals a lot about the kind of expectations he has and would have on the team.

This is less than 10 games in that he's already signaled that he's not going to be a 6th man.
_________________
From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
yinoma2001
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 119487

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:03 pm    Post subject:

"Hi, I'm applying for the job of Assistant Store Manager. But I want to tell you beforehand there's no way in hell I'm going to be an "ASSISTANT" Store Manager. I'm a CEO. Did I get the job?"
_________________
From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Sentient Meat
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 04 Jul 2014
Posts: 12978

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:03 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Quote:
I already said in an earlier post that IT is only keeping it real and saying what all competitors think in their minds publicly. Do you really want floating players with Sacre's mentality who are just happy to be on the bench?

Any player worth their salt wants to start. Julius was pissed when he was benched... he just looked annoyed and didn't say it out loud.

I have no problem with IT wanting to start as long as he doesn't actively sabotage the team, which so far it seems like he hasn't


It's pretty self-defeating to say that you're preemptively not happy about the only role that would be available for you on the Lakers. It reveals a lot about the kind of expectations he has and would have on the team.

This is less than 10 games in that he's already signaled that he's not going to be a 6th man.


Do you deny that most all star caliber players would want to start even though they don't have the balls to be honest and say it publicly?

It's pretty simple really... either he accepts the role available and signs the contract or he doesn't. But I think you are exaggerating the impact of a player being honest for a change vs. simply giving the traditional politically correct answer.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Display posts from previous:   
This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics.    LakersGround.net Forum Index -> Topic HOF All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 1290, 1291, 1292 ... 2678, 2679, 2680  Next
Page 1291 of 2680
Jump to:  

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum






Graphics by uberzev
© 1995-2018 LakersGround.net. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy. Terms of Use.
LakersGround is an unofficial news source serving the fan community since 1995.
We are in no way associated with the Los Angeles Lakers or the National Basketball Association.


Powered by phpBB